Something that bugs me about Epstein's suicide by hanging story.

[Botany]

What structure was in Epstein's cell that allowed Epstein to attach whatever he used to
hang himself to? Was there a pipe across the ceiling? Could he have attached something
to the bars across the front of the cell?

[empedocles]

1. lihop

[hlthe2b]

2. Not to be gory, but I read a report from a former warden that the most common manner

was tying a loop in a sheet or similar between ends tied to sink and bar or door hardware The person simply allows his weight to fall back and the loop (noose) tightens, effectively asphyxiating fairly quickly. Thus, hanging occurs not from a "height", but from the ground (floor).

Sadly, I believe it was reported that this is how Robin Williams likewise ended his life.

[Ligyron]

11. Kung fu Carradine too I think.

[Autumn]

3. I know a man who hung himself from the mirror on his truck .nt

[dalton99a]

4. Maybe the shower

[underpants]

5. He'd had a cell mate until very recently

After they took him off suicide watch.

I appreciate the graphic but I think he as in a two man room. Bunk bed?

[dalton99a]

8. Lots of attachment points if he had a bunk bed in that prison:

[yardwork]

13. The bars on the door, for one.

[Maru Kitteh]

6. You don't really need a hanging point to asphyxiate yourself

A pair of underwear will do.

[mitch96]

16. Robin Williams used a belt and a door knob from what I recall...nt

[Prosper]

7. Suicide by hanging

in a jail cell requires implements and a physical prowess. Epstein would have needed a way to reach a suspension point, then attach a hanging device to the anchor point and then around his neck all while maintaining whatever balance he needed to do all of this far enough off the floor to hang himself. The are too many variables needed to have been available in a prison cell for a person just taken off suicide watch. The indication of names of powerful people in the just unsealed case can motivate underworld people to act to eliminate Epstein without being asked to do so.

[hlthe2b]

9. No.. asphyxiation identical to "hanging' can occur at floor level. See my post upthread.

[marble falls]

10. Doot knob, automatic door closer, bed frame ... all sorts of things. People ...

don't have to suspend off the ground to hang themselves.

[Botany]

12. Thanx it is good to know that DU has so many people who understand the mechanics and ...

.... engineering of suicide by hanging.

[marble falls]

17. My sister is an attorney in Houston and the sheriffs department claimed ...

her client had hung himself by breaking wire re-enforced glass to tie off on plumbing above it. By the way the glass was broken it was apparent it was broken from above and the client was hung postmortem. Several deputies were arrested. And Harris County settled with his parents.

[stillcool]

14. you got me curious...

Suicide Methods in Prison
by insideprison.com, May, 2006
From strangulation to head-bashing, suicides can be harrowing, if not sometimes creative.
Strangulation
The most common methods of suicide, for a number of reasons, are hanging and strangulation, and the most common ligature points for strangulation are window bars, followed by bed fittings. Inmates spend most of their time alone in their cell, where they have access to bedsheets, time, and privacy. Inmates also use wires, ropes (usually taken from a workplace), shoelaces, socks, or belts. The most typical regiment for strangulation involves propping oneself up on a stool or chair, tying a makeshift rope around an overhead pipe, fixing a firm knot around the neck, and kicking away the chair underfoot. This method usually takes about 5 minutes. Some have used pencils, as short as a few inches, to simulate a tourniquet with shoelaces. Some have tied their necks and a radiator pipe and simply continuously twisted their bodies to eventually cut off the circulation. Some inmates have successfully hanged themselves from no more than 6 inches off the floor, and from vertical pipes on the walls as opposed to horizontal pipes on the ceiling.

Inmate mental health testing is essential to reduce suicide risk in prison.
Asphyxiation has also been achieved by using a plastic bag to cut off air circulation. In July 2002, Australian inmate Bradley William Rapley affixed a plastic "property bag," used for holding cigarettes, around his neck with blankets and towel fragments. Others, such as a suicide in Colonie, NY, used their prison socks to tighten the same sort of bag. A Belfast prisoner in September of 2005 confounded experts by employing a "bizarre" series of knots to secure a plastic bag around his head and successfully commit suicide. John McGrath made 6 knots from laces, shirts, and towels, covered his mouth with a plastic bag, and stuffed bits and pieces of the bag up his nose. Knot expert Michael Lucas said that McGrath had likely prepared the knots in advance, using "granny knots with a left twist," and doing them in proper sequence (1 September 2005 Belfast News Letter).
https://www.insideprison.com/suicide-methods-in-prison.asp

[Demonaut]

18. they probably dropped a pre-made noose with instructions this time

I'm sure they forgot to leave instructions the first time