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Last edited Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:39 PM - Edit history (1)
Its becoming a mess getting workers out of Trump event. Crowd getting angry. Many of them stopped getting paid at 3pm when their shift ended.
A plant employee is now trying to calm the crowd down. Says they will get paid because they are still here working. No one can leave until the motorcade is gone. Most have been standing since noon.
They were told to attend the rally or stay home and not get paid for the day. They also were told not to speak to the press. 😡
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
***UPDATED***
Heres is the memo to the workers of the dos and donts
Link to tweet
Roland99
(53,345 posts)Theyll never get it
tblue37
(66,035 posts)be legal? nt
fescuerescue
(4,465 posts)That's not intended as a smart ass answer. Just a reality.
No law requires employers to provide work on a particular day. In this case no traditional work is being offered.
Since these folks are hourly, it's very legal to not pay for someone to not work. At the same time, its legal to offer work such as meeting attendance and pay them for it.
What I don;t understand is why the union leadership agreed to this.
Cartaphelius
(868 posts)you are assuming the union was even informed.
And for "reality", you are hysterically uninformed as it
is a violation of many Federal Laws. Which the last I checked
is quite illegal for everyone except republicans... (not an assumption).
fescuerescue
(4,465 posts)this was done worked out with the union leadership. Could be false info I suppose.
If it's indeed illegal, I look forward to court case. Should be a nice settlement for all those folks.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(26,424 posts)which sounds to me like they would get paid straight time for the shift they're not working. It does say that only those who attend the rally will get overtime on Friday. 8 hours of overtime can be a powerful incentive to attend the rally.
Mc Mike
(9,164 posts)What it is, is that they're working more than 8 daily, and the excused absence wipes out 8 hours of overtime pay (at time and a half.)
Then when it's time to reduce the site's workforce, there is no protection for the workers who didn't play along and show up.
anarch
(6,536 posts)Not defending the company here, but it looks like their low-level management and union reps were doing the best they could...
Anyway, I'd imagine that's the only way fuckface and his cronies are going to get a room full of workers at this point...pay them time and a half to stand there.
C_U_L8R
(45,521 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,895 posts)Clarity2
(1,009 posts)like the illegality of this - because the Plant owner will get something in return, but look at the crowd. I dont see any obvious maga hats, so Im guessing there are no supporters there. They just couldnt afford to lose a days pay.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)stayed home plus the pay loss today
Ugly of the owner & company
frack them
Clarity2
(1,009 posts)The oligarchs at the mercy of Putin. Corporate America at the whim of Trump. Have to wonder how much of it is also willingly or some kind of blackmail. If the president requests something like this, do you say no then worry he will take you down somehow??
I cant believe weve gotten to this point. And the media never talks about it.
True Blue American
(18,124 posts)If we compare to Hitler or Mussolini. They did not start big. It was gradual, took many years
Kashoggi and Epstein are prime examples. Children in cages, Children moved in the middle of the night. ICE raids, fear, families turning on each other.
Clarity2
(1,009 posts)Where are those girls!!??
renate
(13,776 posts)Hopefully this paid-crowd stunt backfired.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)he's kidnapping them. This is ILLEGAL.
For people who couldn't afford to lose a day's pay, this is worse than blackmail.
2020 cannot come soon enough.
Ilsa
(62,161 posts)I'm trying to stay off twitter, and I don't know where MF45 was campaigning today.
NotASurfer
(2,302 posts)Workers in same brightly colored shirts as the pictures online.
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1999506001
Monaca, Beaver County area.
Wonder who Chris Fannin - name on the list of instructions to whom issues were to be reported - is? If that's an actual document. I'd have thought it a fake a few years ago based on tone and conveniently fitting the narrative. Today...sadly if it fits the narrative it's usually real, now. Or so it seems.
DeminPennswoods
(16,006 posts)of what would happen and how members were expected to behave. However, attendence was not mandatory, but attendees did get paid for their regular hours. There is really nothing nefarious here. The note about the steel-toed boots was included because attendees would be going through metal detectors and the steel-toed boots would set those off.
hatrack
(60,525 posts).
DeminPennswoods
(16,006 posts)It's been in the works for years and is in max build out right now.
Girard442
(6,370 posts)Were there even any bathrooms?
uponit7771
(91,308 posts)Mc Mike
(9,164 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 10, 2019, 09:19 AM - Edit history (2)
and jerk all those tough construction workers' chains, threatening their paycheck. Make them stand in full sleeve high vis osha mandated stuff, for hours crowded together. Obviously they'd be arrested by ss or cops supporting ss if they said, 'screw this, I'm leaving'.
Our taxdollars, and theirs, are paying for that Shell plant 'investment'.
Bettie
(16,831 posts)to be props...working people. The very people who Trump never, ever pays for their work.
Hotler
(11,919 posts)"The underlying theme of the event is to promote good will from the labor unions" Fuck that BS, since when has management and repugs shown good will towards labor unions.
Hekate
(94,081 posts)Right?
xmas74
(29,739 posts)Back scratch moment to be brought up at the negotiation table.
Bluesaph
(883 posts)And hes always complaining about how his uneducated union brothers are being duped and brainwashed by Trump and Republicons.
True Blue American
(18,124 posts)Their best interests. Members destroyed their own Unions by voting Republican.
Stupid.
ooky
(9,506 posts)PandoraAwakened
(905 posts)Hekate
(94,081 posts)I'm sure the diabetics among them were so impressed.
Someone here said yesterday that they were free to leave and should have left. I hope they are reading this instruction sheet today.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)Mc Mike
(9,164 posts)Then they had to deal with cops and ss. If they had been free to leave after shitler's 3+ hours late speech, they wouldn't have been trapped in the makeshift venue after 5 pm, all standing there facing the exit.
TEB
(13,630 posts)Wasnt my problem the idiot showed up and ruined work day.
fescuerescue
(4,465 posts)What were they thinking?
True Blue American
(18,124 posts)Mc Mike
(9,164 posts)They gave us our last International President, Ed Hill, who was a dynamo of anti repuglican activism. Close ally of Rich Trumka.
True Blue American
(18,124 posts)They should not have allowed them to be forced to stand for so long, no breaks and no lunch. Not to mention threatening their pay.
And I still pay union dues voluntarily, not coerced. I owe them my life long living, and my Son was an official in his professional Union.
Republicans have weakened Unions so bad and that is sad.
Mc Mike
(9,164 posts)but around here the constant contract concessions are caused by conditions not controlled by the unions.
True Blue American
(18,124 posts)To blame Unions for the bad things instead of where the fault really lies. Spent too many years watching this happen.
And I did not blame Unions. They have protected the worker.. I remember the strikes to get workers decent benefits, watched the next generation pee it away by voting Republican.
Mc Mike
(9,164 posts)They're legally allowed to back whatever party they want to, but they're jacking us up.
True Blue American
(18,124 posts)They have no idea of how hard their Fathers fought for benefits that forced other companies to pay decent wages and benefits.
Mc Mike
(9,164 posts)AFSCME, SEIU, turn a lot of good activist rank and filers out regularly.
True Blue American
(18,124 posts)To make Unions fail.
Now, they know Unions are badly needed, but the hate Unions is still there as it has been for 40 years.
Mc Mike
(9,164 posts)I was talking about the later organized trades from the Congress of Industrial Orgs part of the AFL-CIO.
True Blue American
(18,124 posts)About Unions as they used to be, and what has happened to many of them. How they have been weakened by their own members voting for Politicians, bad trade laws that affected them.
Similar to what I heard in Church a few weeks ago. Members are their worst enemies.
Mc Mike
(9,164 posts)True Blue American
(18,124 posts)I heard it from member after member. The beginning of the demise of the Unions.
Sherrod Brown talked to Trump. Trump asked him what he could do to help. Sherrod told him the first thing was to get rid of the 50% tax break companies get for moving overseas,.
Sherrod is the most loyal Union backer in the Senate. He dumped DeWine out of the Senate. Now DeWine manged to get elected Governor with the help of law suit ,gerrymander, moving polls and knocking people off the voting list Husted.
I wish Sherrod would run against him again!
Mc Mike
(9,164 posts)We only got ~ 30 years of postwar prosperity, after we were pretty much the only economic power with an infrastructure still standing when we 'won' wwII. The big money people started squeezing, during Nixon, Ford, Carter, and set us up for the coup de gras under raygun.
True Blue American
(18,124 posts)Right on the head. The rise and fall of the middle class.
Mc Mike
(9,164 posts)what they resulted in, was US taxpayers subsidizing the building of fixed capital infrastructure in our former opponents' nations, which could compete very favorably against our pre-wwII plants' technology. The big money creeps in this country were the nominal 'investors' in those foreign industries, which is why US steel production started losing out to German, Japanese, and Korean steel, and US auto production started losing out to German, Japanese, and Korean auto industries. Same for manufacturing, textiles, widget factories, etc.
US industrial owners regarded the US unions as getting too sassy for their own good, so they forced the taxpaying union members to subsidize the foreign competition, then started shutting down our 'losing' domestic industries' production. We could get jobs joining the military to occupy our former 'enemies' instead, though. Which just helped make sure there was no job for us back in the US after we completed military service.
True Blue American
(18,124 posts)It is nice to find someone that sees clearly what has taken place over the years.
Mc Mike
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as 'the enemy'.
Germany, Japan, Korea should have their own steel production, auto production, textiles, etc. Their workers do what is needed to produce, and should get a decent living from it.
The macroeconomic 'realities' that have been fetishised as 'organically occurring' and 'acting independently' are just ownership's way of saying that the same can't be said for American workers. While they're screaming, bellowing, murder mouthing evil foreigners who patriotic American workers 'should hate' for 'cheating America'.
Shitler was just showing hundreds of workers in a cage, waiting to get out. That's his 'stick it in your ass' statement to labor, here. Exactly like the ICE detention facilities. Most of those people are workers, too.
True Blue American
(18,124 posts)On the ingrained anger of workers over the years who criticized their own Unions, voted Republican.the very ones who destroyed the Unions. Clinton made a bad mistake by signing HW Bushs NAFTA. From that point on they found a common hate.
Meanwhile laws have been passed, making it easy for Corporations to move, or threaten, making it a tool to cut wages.
My Son sat in on many of those negotiations so I have heard it all.
Trump is doing what many of them complained about over the years, but has no idea of what he is doing. His tariffs are all over the place, hitting farmers,workers.
With the deficit exploding again we are heading for another Republican recession.
Mc Mike
(9,164 posts)pretend that we have to walk a narrow tightrope between protectionist isolationist tariffs and complete free trade with super mobile international capital.
The way is in fact broad and wide, not a tightrope.
Watching those 2 fake extremist caricature sides debate is like watching 2 'opposing' guests on the Morton Downey show, or like watching Linda McMahon's pro wrestling.
Mc Mike
(9,164 posts)Doreen
(11,686 posts)Who they are supposed to be protecting the workers from.
True Blue American
(18,124 posts)Sanity Claws
(21,997 posts)isn't this a campaign contribution? Doesn't it exceed the maximum contribution allowed under law?
True Blue American
(18,124 posts)Before Trump and Barr.
anarch
(6,536 posts)But there is no law anymore, so what's anybody going to do?
spinbaby
(15,185 posts)The details escape me, but I seem to remember Trump appearing at a western PA coal mine where miners were told they wouldnt get paid unless they attended the event.