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kpete

(72,265 posts)
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 06:09 PM Aug 2019

It's becoming a mess getting workers out of Trump event. Crowd getting angry-Updated w-Do's & Don'ts

Last edited Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:39 PM - Edit history (1)

It’s becoming a mess getting workers out of Trump event. Crowd getting angry. Many of them stopped getting paid at 3pm when their shift ended.

A plant employee is now trying to calm the crowd down. Says they will get paid because they are still here working. No one can leave until the motorcade is gone. Most have been standing since noon.

They were told to attend the rally or stay home and not get paid for the day. They also were told not to speak to the press. 😡











***UPDATED***
Here’s is the memo to the workers of the do’s and don’ts



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It's becoming a mess getting workers out of Trump event. Crowd getting angry-Updated w-Do's & Don'ts (Original Post) kpete Aug 2019 OP
And the supporters among them will still vote for him Roland99 Aug 2019 #1
"They were told to attend the rally or stay home and not get paid for the day." How can this tblue37 Aug 2019 #2
Because it's not illegal. fescuerescue Aug 2019 #28
As with the balance of your post Cartaphelius Aug 2019 #31
According to the twitter feed fescuerescue Aug 2019 #35
The guidelines say it's an excused absence, PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #32
We don't get paid if we don't work. In any trade. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #36
it looks to me like they maybe got overtime pay for attending? anarch Aug 2019 #58
That's an illicit campaign contribution C_U_L8R Aug 2019 #3
BINGO. That's how this must be addressed, as a legal matter. Maru Kitteh Aug 2019 #11
Nevermind the obvious Clarity2 Aug 2019 #4
+1 I agree and have no judgement . They also could be singled out later by managers if they lunasun Aug 2019 #5
Its almost become like Russia Clarity2 Aug 2019 #7
And they get offended True Blue American Aug 2019 #64
Which reminds me Clarity2 Aug 2019 #66
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2019 #12
It was noticeable how unenthusiastic they were renate Aug 2019 #20
So instead of paying people to attend his BS rallies, Haggis for Breakfast Aug 2019 #6
What plant is this? Ilsa Aug 2019 #8
Looks like it was western PA NotASurfer Aug 2019 #10
They were union workers and the union put out an information sheet DeminPennswoods Aug 2019 #18
Shell plastics plant (still under construction, hence the safety vests) hatrack Aug 2019 #15
Shell ethane cracker plant near Monaca, Pa DeminPennswoods Aug 2019 #17
No lunch provided. Can't bring one. Have to stand motionless for hours. Girard442 Aug 2019 #9
K&R, "... those who are NOT in attendance will not receive overtime on Friday" uponit7771 Aug 2019 #13
The whole thing was purposeful. Shows that he'll come into Labor territory, Mc Mike Aug 2019 #14
So, they have to go if they want to get paid Bettie Aug 2019 #16
Why would the union agree to this? Hotler Aug 2019 #19
Major arm-twisting, and a last shred of hope that Trump will not go ballistic & punish them Hekate Aug 2019 #25
Contract negotiations? xmas74 Aug 2019 #50
My husband is union Bluesaph Aug 2019 #21
Voting against True Blue American Aug 2019 #29
Looks like a lot of trouble just to watch a jackass braying. ooky Aug 2019 #22
LOL! Good one! n/t PandoraAwakened Aug 2019 #23
That's how I thought it would be, only worse. Stand for hours? No lunch? Hekate Aug 2019 #24
I hope if they pass they will still get paid. Doreen Aug 2019 #33
It's a huge site, they were bussed to the location prepped for twitler. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #37
I'd stay home then file grievance for pay TEB Aug 2019 #26
I'm surprised that Union agreed to do this. fescuerescue Aug 2019 #27
Weak Unions, they cave. True Blue American Aug 2019 #30
IBEW 712, who's jurisdiction this is for electricians, is a tough union. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #38
As a life long supporter of Unions True Blue American Aug 2019 #39
There are some people in leadership positions who shouldn't be, Mc Mike Aug 2019 #40
I know that. True Blue American Aug 2019 #42
We definitely have too many dummies who think they're in the ownership class. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #44
Whining about paying Union dues. True Blue American Aug 2019 #45
Some of the CIO trades are more young and hungry, eye of the tiger types. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #46
Now, but they hurt the Unions over the years and Politicians used every trick they had True Blue American Aug 2019 #47
Maybe a miscommunication here. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #48
I was talking True Blue American Aug 2019 #49
It's been all give backs and concessions in labor-management negotiations, since the raygun '80s. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #52
Controllers Union! True Blue American Aug 2019 #53
Sen. Brown is great. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #55
You hit the nail True Blue American Aug 2019 #56
Marshall Plan and other programs like it were necessary, but Mc Mike Aug 2019 #57
Again 100%! True Blue American Aug 2019 #60
Funny how the ownership class here always demagogues and points to the 'evil foreigner' Mc Mike Aug 2019 #61
Trump has been counting True Blue American Aug 2019 #62
The dirtbag populist hard far right, with Buchanan, Perot, and tRumpf, Mc Mike Aug 2019 #63
I'm with you all the way, on the rest of the substance of your post. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #41
Unfortunately some unions are in bed with those Doreen Aug 2019 #34
That is a Republican talking point. True Blue American Aug 2019 #43
If the company is paying the workers to attend this rally, Sanity Claws Aug 2019 #51
Yes, should be. True Blue American Aug 2019 #54
basically, yes anarch Aug 2019 #59
Wasn't there a similar incident at a coal mine in this area? spinbaby Aug 2019 #65

tblue37

(65,831 posts)
2. "They were told to attend the rally or stay home and not get paid for the day." How can this
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 06:11 PM
Aug 2019

be legal? nt

fescuerescue

(4,456 posts)
28. Because it's not illegal.
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:23 PM
Aug 2019

That's not intended as a smart ass answer. Just a reality.

No law requires employers to provide work on a particular day. In this case no traditional work is being offered.

Since these folks are hourly, it's very legal to not pay for someone to not work. At the same time, its legal to offer work such as meeting attendance and pay them for it.

What I don;t understand is why the union leadership agreed to this.



 

Cartaphelius

(868 posts)
31. As with the balance of your post
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:51 PM
Aug 2019

you are assuming the union was even informed.

And for "reality", you are hysterically uninformed as it
is a violation of many Federal Laws. Which the last I checked
is quite illegal for everyone except republicans... (not an assumption).

fescuerescue

(4,456 posts)
35. According to the twitter feed
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 07:53 PM
Aug 2019

this was done worked out with the union leadership. Could be false info I suppose.

If it's indeed illegal, I look forward to court case. Should be a nice settlement for all those folks.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,041 posts)
32. The guidelines say it's an excused absence,
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:05 PM
Aug 2019

which sounds to me like they would get paid straight time for the shift they're not working. It does say that only those who attend the rally will get overtime on Friday. 8 hours of overtime can be a powerful incentive to attend the rally.

Mc Mike

(9,124 posts)
36. We don't get paid if we don't work. In any trade.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:24 PM
Aug 2019

What it is, is that they're working more than 8 daily, and the excused absence wipes out 8 hours of overtime pay (at time and a half.)

Then when it's time to reduce the site's workforce, there is no protection for the workers who didn't play along and show up.

anarch

(6,536 posts)
58. it looks to me like they maybe got overtime pay for attending?
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 06:57 AM
Aug 2019

Not defending the company here, but it looks like their low-level management and union reps were doing the best they could...

Anyway, I'd imagine that's the only way fuckface and his cronies are going to get a room full of workers at this point...pay them time and a half to stand there.

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
4. Nevermind the obvious
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 06:40 PM
Aug 2019

like the illegality of this - because the Plant owner will get something in return, but look at the crowd. I dont see any obvious maga hats, so Im guessing there are no supporters there. They just couldnt afford to lose a days pay.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
5. +1 I agree and have no judgement . They also could be singled out later by managers if they
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 06:50 PM
Aug 2019

stayed home plus the pay loss today

Ugly of the owner & company
frack them

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
7. Its almost become like Russia
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:01 PM
Aug 2019

The oligarchs at the mercy of Putin. Corporate America at the whim of Trump. Have to wonder how much of it is also willingly or some kind of blackmail. If the president requests something like this, do you say no then worry he will take you down somehow??

I cant believe we’ve gotten to this point. And the media never talks about it.

True Blue American

(18,040 posts)
64. And they get offended
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:34 AM
Aug 2019

If we compare to Hitler or Mussolini. They did not start big. It was gradual, took many years

Kashoggi and Epstein are prime examples. Children in cages, Children moved in the middle of the night. ICE raids, fear, families turning on each other.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
6. So instead of paying people to attend his BS rallies,
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:00 PM
Aug 2019

he's kidnapping them. This is ILLEGAL.

For people who couldn't afford to lose a day's pay, this is worse than blackmail.

2020 cannot come soon enough.

Ilsa

(61,832 posts)
8. What plant is this?
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:01 PM
Aug 2019

I'm trying to stay off twitter, and I don't know where MF45 was campaigning today.

NotASurfer

(2,200 posts)
10. Looks like it was western PA
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 10:46 PM
Aug 2019

Workers in same brightly colored shirts as the pictures online.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1999506001

Monaca, Beaver County area.

Wonder who Chris Fannin - name on the list of instructions to whom issues were to be reported - is? If that's an actual document. I'd have thought it a fake a few years ago based on tone and conveniently fitting the narrative. Today...sadly if it fits the narrative it's usually real, now. Or so it seems.

DeminPennswoods

(15,554 posts)
18. They were union workers and the union put out an information sheet
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:26 AM
Aug 2019

of what would happen and how members were expected to behave. However, attendence was not mandatory, but attendees did get paid for their regular hours. There is really nothing nefarious here. The note about the steel-toed boots was included because attendees would be going through metal detectors and the steel-toed boots would set those off.

DeminPennswoods

(15,554 posts)
17. Shell ethane cracker plant near Monaca, Pa
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:18 AM
Aug 2019

It's been in the works for years and is in max build out right now.

Girard442

(6,200 posts)
9. No lunch provided. Can't bring one. Have to stand motionless for hours.
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 09:28 PM
Aug 2019

Were there even any bathrooms?

Mc Mike

(9,124 posts)
14. The whole thing was purposeful. Shows that he'll come into Labor territory,
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:13 AM
Aug 2019

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and jerk all those tough construction workers' chains, threatening their paycheck. Make them stand in full sleeve high vis osha mandated stuff, for hours crowded together. Obviously they'd be arrested by ss or cops supporting ss if they said, 'screw this, I'm leaving'.

Our taxdollars, and theirs, are paying for that Shell plant 'investment'.

Bettie

(16,485 posts)
16. So, they have to go if they want to get paid
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:06 AM
Aug 2019

to be props...working people. The very people who Trump never, ever pays for their work.

Hotler

(11,647 posts)
19. Why would the union agree to this?
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:41 AM
Aug 2019

"The underlying theme of the event is to promote good will from the labor unions" Fuck that BS, since when has management and repugs shown good will towards labor unions.

Hekate

(92,382 posts)
25. Major arm-twisting, and a last shred of hope that Trump will not go ballistic & punish them
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:09 PM
Aug 2019

Right?

Bluesaph

(794 posts)
21. My husband is union
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:25 PM
Aug 2019

And he’s always complaining about how his uneducated union brothers are being duped and brainwashed by Trump and Republicons.

Hekate

(92,382 posts)
24. That's how I thought it would be, only worse. Stand for hours? No lunch?
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:07 PM
Aug 2019

I'm sure the diabetics among them were so impressed.

Someone here said yesterday that they were free to leave and should have left. I hope they are reading this instruction sheet today.

Mc Mike

(9,124 posts)
37. It's a huge site, they were bussed to the location prepped for twitler.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:30 PM
Aug 2019

Then they had to deal with cops and ss. If they had been free to leave after shitler's 3+ hours late speech, they wouldn't have been trapped in the makeshift venue after 5 pm, all standing there facing the exit.

TEB

(13,329 posts)
26. I'd stay home then file grievance for pay
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:13 PM
Aug 2019

Wasn’t my problem the idiot showed up and ruined work day.

Mc Mike

(9,124 posts)
38. IBEW 712, who's jurisdiction this is for electricians, is a tough union.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:31 PM
Aug 2019

They gave us our last International President, Ed Hill, who was a dynamo of anti repuglican activism. Close ally of Rich Trumka.

True Blue American

(18,040 posts)
39. As a life long supporter of Unions
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:45 PM
Aug 2019

They should not have allowed them to be forced to stand for so long, no breaks and no lunch. Not to mention threatening their pay.

And I still pay union dues voluntarily, not coerced. I owe them my life long living, and my Son was an official in his professional Union.

Republicans have weakened Unions so bad and that is sad.

Mc Mike

(9,124 posts)
40. There are some people in leadership positions who shouldn't be,
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:49 PM
Aug 2019

but around here the constant contract concessions are caused by conditions not controlled by the unions.

True Blue American

(18,040 posts)
42. I know that.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:55 PM
Aug 2019

To blame Unions for the bad things instead of where the fault really lies. Spent too many years watching this happen.

And I did not blame Unions. They have protected the worker.. I remember the strikes to get workers decent benefits, watched the next generation pee it away by voting Republican.

Mc Mike

(9,124 posts)
44. We definitely have too many dummies who think they're in the ownership class.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:59 PM
Aug 2019

They're legally allowed to back whatever party they want to, but they're jacking us up.

True Blue American

(18,040 posts)
45. Whining about paying Union dues.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:02 PM
Aug 2019

They have no idea of how hard their Fathers fought for benefits that forced other companies to pay decent wages and benefits.

Mc Mike

(9,124 posts)
46. Some of the CIO trades are more young and hungry, eye of the tiger types.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:07 PM
Aug 2019

AFSCME, SEIU, turn a lot of good activist rank and filers out regularly.

True Blue American

(18,040 posts)
47. Now, but they hurt the Unions over the years and Politicians used every trick they had
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:10 PM
Aug 2019

To make Unions fail.

Now, they know Unions are badly needed, but the hate Unions is still there as it has been for 40 years.

Mc Mike

(9,124 posts)
48. Maybe a miscommunication here.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:17 PM
Aug 2019

I was talking about the later organized trades from the Congress of Industrial Orgs part of the AFL-CIO.

True Blue American

(18,040 posts)
49. I was talking
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 03:56 AM
Aug 2019

About Unions as they used to be, and what has happened to many of them. How they have been weakened by their own members voting for Politicians, bad trade laws that affected them.

Similar to what I heard in Church a few weeks ago.” Members are their worst enemies.”

True Blue American

(18,040 posts)
53. Controllers Union!
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 04:58 PM
Aug 2019

I heard it from member after member. The beginning of the demise of the Unions.

Sherrod Brown talked to Trump. Trump asked him what he could do to help. Sherrod told him the first thing was to get rid of the 50% tax break companies get for moving overseas,.

Sherrod is the most loyal Union backer in the Senate. He dumped DeWine out of the Senate. Now DeWine manged to get elected Governor with the help of law suit ,gerrymander, moving polls and knocking people off the voting list Husted.

I wish Sherrod would run against him again!

Mc Mike

(9,124 posts)
55. Sen. Brown is great.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 05:10 PM
Aug 2019

We only got ~ 30 years of postwar prosperity, after we were pretty much the only economic power with an infrastructure still standing when we 'won' wwII. The big money people started squeezing, during Nixon, Ford, Carter, and set us up for the coup de gras under raygun.

Mc Mike

(9,124 posts)
57. Marshall Plan and other programs like it were necessary, but
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 06:44 AM
Aug 2019

what they resulted in, was US taxpayers subsidizing the building of fixed capital infrastructure in our former opponents' nations, which could compete very favorably against our pre-wwII plants' technology. The big money creeps in this country were the nominal 'investors' in those foreign industries, which is why US steel production started losing out to German, Japanese, and Korean steel, and US auto production started losing out to German, Japanese, and Korean auto industries. Same for manufacturing, textiles, widget factories, etc.

US industrial owners regarded the US unions as getting too sassy for their own good, so they forced the taxpaying union members to subsidize the foreign competition, then started shutting down our 'losing' domestic industries' production. We could get jobs joining the military to occupy our former 'enemies' instead, though. Which just helped make sure there was no job for us back in the US after we completed military service.

Mc Mike

(9,124 posts)
61. Funny how the ownership class here always demagogues and points to the 'evil foreigner'
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 07:43 AM
Aug 2019

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as 'the enemy'.

Germany, Japan, Korea should have their own steel production, auto production, textiles, etc. Their workers do what is needed to produce, and should get a decent living from it.

The macroeconomic 'realities' that have been fetishised as 'organically occurring' and 'acting independently' are just ownership's way of saying that the same can't be said for American workers. While they're screaming, bellowing, murder mouthing evil foreigners who patriotic American workers 'should hate' for 'cheating America'.

Shitler was just showing hundreds of workers in a cage, waiting to get out. That's his 'stick it in your ass' statement to labor, here. Exactly like the ICE detention facilities. Most of those people are workers, too.

True Blue American

(18,040 posts)
62. Trump has been counting
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:20 AM
Aug 2019

On the ingrained anger of workers over the years who criticized their own Unions, voted Republican.the very ones who destroyed the Unions. Clinton made a bad mistake by signing HW Bush’s NAFTA. From that point on they found a common hate.

Meanwhile laws have been passed, making it easy for Corporations to move, or threaten, making it a tool to cut wages.

My Son sat in on many of those negotiations so I have heard it all.

Trump is doing what many of them complained about over the years, but has no idea of what he is doing. His tariffs are all over the place, hitting farmers,workers.

With the deficit exploding again we are heading for another Republican recession.

Mc Mike

(9,124 posts)
63. The dirtbag populist hard far right, with Buchanan, Perot, and tRumpf,
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:28 AM
Aug 2019

pretend that we have to walk a narrow tightrope between protectionist isolationist tariffs and complete free trade with super mobile international capital.

The way is in fact broad and wide, not a tightrope.

Watching those 2 fake extremist caricature sides debate is like watching 2 'opposing' guests on the Morton Downey show, or like watching Linda McMahon's pro wrestling.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
34. Unfortunately some unions are in bed with those
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:11 PM
Aug 2019

Who they are supposed to be protecting the workers from.

Sanity Claws

(21,926 posts)
51. If the company is paying the workers to attend this rally,
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 06:29 AM
Aug 2019

isn't this a campaign contribution? Doesn't it exceed the maximum contribution allowed under law?

spinbaby

(15,147 posts)
65. Wasn't there a similar incident at a coal mine in this area?
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:39 AM
Aug 2019

The details escape me, but I seem to remember Trump appearing at a western PA coal mine where miners were told they wouldn’t get paid unless they attended the event.

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