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Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:26 PM

This was one of the Articles of impeachment used to impeach Andrew Johnson, sound familiar?

ARTICLE 10.That said Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, unmindful of the high duties of his high office and the dignity and proprieties thereof, and of the harmony and courtesies which ought to exist and be maintained between the executive and legislative branches of the Government of the United States, designing and intending to set aside the rightful authorities and powers of Congress, did attempt to bring into disgrace, ridicule, hatred, contempt and reproach, the Congress of the United States, and the several branches thereof, to impair and destroy the regard and respect of all the good people of the United States for the Congress and the legislative power thereof, which all officers of the government ought inviolably to preserve and maintain, and to excite the odium and resentment of all good people of the United States against Congress and the laws by it duly and constitutionally enacted; and in pursuance of his said design and intent, openly and publicly and before divers assemblages of citizens of the United States, convened in divers parts thereof, to meet and receive said Andrew Johnson as the Chief Magistrate of the United States, did, on the eighteenth day of August, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-six, and on divers other days and times, as well before as afterwards, make and declare, with a loud voice, certain intemperate, inflammatory and scandalous harangues, and therein utter loud threats and bitter menaces, as well against Congress as the laws of the United States duly enacted thereby, amid the cries, jeers and laughter of the multitudes then assembled in hearing, which are set forth in the several specifications hereinafter written, in substance and effect, that it to say:

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Reply This was one of the Articles of impeachment used to impeach Andrew Johnson, sound familiar? (Original post)
yaesu Aug 2019 OP
elleng Aug 2019 #1
lagomorph777 Aug 2019 #2
Ex Lurker Aug 2019 #9
lagomorph777 Aug 2019 #28
mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #3
Pacifist Patriot Aug 2019 #7
rwsanders Aug 2019 #10
Lonestarblue Aug 2019 #17
Pacifist Patriot Aug 2019 #20
rwsanders Aug 2019 #30
yaesu Aug 2019 #8
Pacifist Patriot Aug 2019 #22
lunatica Aug 2019 #4
Kaiserguy Aug 2019 #11
lunatica Aug 2019 #26
gordianot Aug 2019 #14
lunatica Aug 2019 #25
Ponietz Aug 2019 #5
uponit7771 Aug 2019 #6
malaise Aug 2019 #12
TNNurse Aug 2019 #13
gordianot Aug 2019 #15
TNNurse Aug 2019 #18
JohnnyRingo Aug 2019 #16
SCVDem Aug 2019 #19
LTG Aug 2019 #24
UTUSN Aug 2019 #21
former9thward Aug 2019 #23
lapucelle Aug 2019 #27
spanone Aug 2019 #29

Response to yaesu (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:31 PM

1. 'with a loud voice, certain intemperate, inflammatory and scandalous harangues,

and therein utter loud threats and bitter menaces'

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Response to yaesu (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:33 PM

2. Johnson really was a bad dude; this description applies to him or Trump equally.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:13 PM

9. He wasn't evil, just in way over his head NT

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Response to Ex Lurker (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 09:39 AM

28. He was pro-slavery. In my opinion, that's evil.

...After Lincoln's assassination in April of 1865, President Andrew Johnson alienated Congress with his Reconstruction policy. He supported white supremacy in the South and favored pro-Union Southern political leaders who had aided the Confederacy once war had been declared.

Southerners, with Johnson's support, attempted to restore slavery in substance if not in name. In 1866, Congress and President Johnson battled for control of Reconstruction. The Congress won. Northern voters gave a smashing victory -- more than two-thirds of the seats in Congress -- to the Radical Republicans in the 1866 congressional election, enabling Congress to control Reconstruction and override any vetoes that Johnson might impose."


https://www.thirteen.org/wnet/jimcrow/stories_events_reconstruct.html

"The federal government adopted a policy of providing arable land to former black slaves during the last stages of the American Civil War in 1865. They were freed as a result of the advance of the Union armies into the territory previously controlled by the Confederacy, particularly after Major General William Tecumseh Sherman’s March to the Sea. General Sherman’s Special Field Orders, No. 15, issued on January 16, 1865, provided for the land, while some of its beneficiaries also received mules from the army for plowing. The policy became known as “forty acres and a mule.”

The Special Field Orders issued by Sherman were never intended to represent an official policy of the U.S. government with regard to all former slaves. Andrew Johnson, who succeeded President Lincoln after the assassination, revoked Sherman’s orders and returned the land to its previous white owners. Because of this, the phrase “forty acres and a mule” has come to represent the failure of Reconstruction policies in restoring to African Americans the fruits of their labor."


https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-ushistory/chapter/the-south-after-reconstruction/

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Response to yaesu (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:34 PM

3. I take it 'divers' means 'diverse'?

I love the ending paragraph ... this is classic stuff:

as well before as afterwards, make and declare, with a loud voice, certain intemperate, inflammatory and scandalous harangues, and therein utter loud threats and bitter menaces, as well against Congress as the laws of the United States duly enacted thereby, amid the cries, jeers and laughter of the multitudes then assembled in hearing, which are set forth in the several specifications hereinafter written, in substance and effect, that it to say


'intemperate, inflammatory, and scandalous harangues (...) and bitter menaces'

Man I love that sh*t ...

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:52 PM

7. Yes and no.

They are actually different words. But these days are used fairly synonymously

divers: several; various; sundry

diverse: of a different kind, form, character, etc.; unlike
of various kinds or forms; multiform.

I'm a vocabulary junkie.

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:30 PM

10. I'm trying to remember a word from the The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant

book series by Stephen R. Donaldson. He must have waited with great patience to drop this one, but I can't find it even in discussions of his works. It was an archaic word meaning archaic. Any ideas?
I guess it is good we have the internet now, many modern "dictionaries" have dropped the old words so they can keep up with the newest slang. Reading Poe, Hawthorne, or Mehlville would be impossible with one of those. I still use my father's dictionary from 1958. It has only failed me once.

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Response to rwsanders (Reply #10)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:10 PM

17. Three words that are seldom used come to mind.

hoary, superannuated, antediluvian

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #17)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:42 PM

20. I was thinking it might be superannuated.

Of the three on your list, that strikes me as the least used. But that's a subjective opinion based on my reading tastes.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #17)

Tue Aug 20, 2019, 01:52 PM

30. Thanks, I'll look them up, I'll remember the listing in my dictionary

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:11 PM

8. Divers emphasizes multiplicity, diverse emphasizes uniqueness. Yes, the old, old school language

has a bit of a bite to it

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Response to yaesu (Reply #8)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:45 PM

22. I once had someone take me over the coals for using divers instead of diverse.

I diplomatically hid my glee when the department head ripped him a new one for being both wrong and a dick.

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Response to yaesu (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:42 PM

4. I suspect Trump's entire presidency is something straight out of history books

He probably hasn’t done a single thing differently than what dictators have done throughout history.

Which is why the media, with few exceptions, should stop acting like he’s normal. They ought to know better. At least that’s what you’d think. Or maybe they’re just vying to be the official Trump media.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:40 PM

11. If not out of the history books

it is certainly something straight from the deepest & darkest pit of Hell

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Response to Kaiserguy (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:50 PM

26. Or straight out of "Dictatorship for Dummies"

My point is the repeated methods that dictators use to gain and maintain power. They all do the same things. And yeah, it’s like the deepest, darkest pit of hell.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:48 PM

14. I doubt Trump has read any history books.

My bet he would be hard pressed to name Lincoln’s successor. If he did know the VP’s name he would make shit up to suit his mood in the moment.

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Response to gordianot (Reply #14)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:48 PM

25. I'm not talking about American history

I’m talking about tyrant methodology. And I didn’t say he read history. I was hoping the media would read history.

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Response to yaesu (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:44 PM

5. Recommended

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Response to yaesu (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:51 PM

6. Johnson was a straight up asshole but he wasn't mental

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Response to yaesu (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:42 PM

12. This is perfect for Don the Con

and then there are all those other criminal acts

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Response to malaise (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:48 PM

13. But he could not understand it even if someone read it to him slowly.

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Response to TNNurse (Reply #13)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:52 PM

15. Exactly, Donald lives solely in the moment.

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Response to gordianot (Reply #15)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:22 PM

18. And there are some pretty big words.

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Response to yaesu (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:59 PM

16. Congress retains a respectful decorum with each other...

...often referring to members as "the gentleman on the other side" or the lady in opposition. Not doing so often results in reprimand or sanction.

Trump can call them a "disgrace" or worse. How is that allowed?

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Response to yaesu (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:28 PM

19. That is one long ass sentence!

 

They don't use a period, just commas.

Nice precedent although Johnson got off, right?

Today's act against our congress fits right into this piece.

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #19)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:22 PM

24. I've read other other single sentence pages.

During the ‘90’s I had occasion to review an appellate document from the courts of Australia. It had more commas, colons and semi-colons than I had ever seen. 11 inches of a single, legalese and complex sentence. Had to diagram parts of it to follow precisely what it was saying.

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Response to yaesu (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:44 PM

21. K&R

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Response to yaesu (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:54 PM

23. The Senate did not even vote on that article.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #23)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 12:40 AM

27. That article of impeachment had no support.

The Swing Around the Circle's impact was apparent even in the articles of impeachment, with the tenth of 11 articles charging that the President

"did...make and declare, with a loud voice certain intemperate, inflammatory, and scandalous harangues, and therein utter loud threats and bitter menaces, as well against Congress as the laws of the United States duly enacted thereby, amid the cries, jeers and laughter of the multitudes then assembled in hearing."

However, the impeachment managers neglected to bring this article to a vote in the Senate when it became clear that it had no support.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_Around_the_Circle#cite_note-10

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Response to yaesu (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 09:54 AM

29. K&R...

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