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Sancho

(9,069 posts)
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 01:00 PM Aug 2019

Mystery of missing votes deepens as Congress investigates Georgia

https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/mystery-missing-votes-deepens-congress-investigates-georgia/x4OTY0ylxfA0Z0Rg6wjkyN/?fbclid=IwAR2kc0MQSGmJ1-0N4crzQmDvtkbYvO45n_6zCxJmCMsT7qg19vxEw7Vh2fg#

To find a clue about what might have gone wrong with Georgia’s election last fall, look no further than voting machine No. 3 at the Winterville Train Depot outside Athens.

On machine No. 3, Republicans won every race. On each of the other six machines in that precinct, Democrats won every race.

Even though it was the second race on the ballot, fewer votes were counted for lieutenant governor than for labor commissioner, insurance commissioner and every other statewide contest lower on the ballot. Roughly 80,000 fewer votes were counted for lieutenant governor than in other down-ballot elections.


We've seen these anomalies in Florida since 2000. Unless we can get election integrity, the Russian/Repubs will continue to "win".

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Mystery of missing votes deepens as Congress investigates Georgia (Original Post) Sancho Aug 2019 OP
Kick. Interesting underpants Aug 2019 #1
Kickin' with disgust Faux pas Aug 2019 #2
Forget the Republicans' "anti-kommanism." DFW Aug 2019 #3
Fixing our electoral systems is higher priority than health care, guns, environment ANYTHING. We're uponit7771 Aug 2019 #4
The entire republican crime family is out in the open breaking laws & no one can do anything yaesu Aug 2019 #5
Former GA SoS & current Governor Brian Kemp lives/votes in Winterville, GA CottonBear Aug 2019 #6
amazing how these "anomalies" NewJeffCT Aug 2019 #7
Isn't it though... Raster Aug 2019 #8
K & R...for visibility...nt Wounded Bear Aug 2019 #9
Knowingly rig our elections? SCVDem Aug 2019 #10
Propose a law DFW Aug 2019 #21
Fucken Unbelievable Pepsidog Aug 2019 #11
"Anomalies" and "Irregularities" need to be broken down into "intentional/unintentional" categories. diva77 Aug 2019 #12
we need paper ballots counted by the public in an open transparent manner questionseverything Aug 2019 #15
I agree 1000% diva77 Aug 2019 #16
i agree questionseverything Aug 2019 #17
What the hell?!?!?!?!? Toorich Aug 2019 #13
I saw your post earlier today, when at the office. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #20
People need to start going to jail. robbob Aug 2019 #14
Easy to program the logic nt lostnfound Aug 2019 #18
When I hear just wait for the election, I lose my mind! joanbarnes Aug 2019 #19
why why why why why why why haven't Democrats been screaming about this for decades? ProfessorPlum Aug 2019 #22
this..... Sancho Aug 2019 #25
The stock talking point is "if people think the machines are rigged, they won't vote." diva77 Aug 2019 #28
That's why we will not be allowed to know Trump did not 'win' in 2016. triron Aug 2019 #32
Again....... DENVERPOPS Aug 2019 #30
We've seen them in Georgia before and you don't have to look amywalk Aug 2019 #23
My question to you and others in this article DENVERPOPS Aug 2019 #29
K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #24
If you can get a paper receipt from an ATM or a credit card transaction, klook Aug 2019 #26
And every vote should be available online as well... cbdo2007 Aug 2019 #33
Cheaters gonna face the music? I hope so saidsimplesimon Aug 2019 #27
A good 2018 example of the widespread vote flipping in 2016. triron Aug 2019 #31
knr triron Aug 2019 #34
It will continue to happen cause the public can never know the truth. triron Aug 2019 #35
I reported a DRE flipping votes almost exactly like the one reported in GA... Sancho Aug 2019 #36

DFW

(54,370 posts)
3. Forget the Republicans' "anti-kommanism."
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 01:35 PM
Aug 2019

Attributed to Stalin:

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."

Not exactly something you will find in "famous quotes of The Founding Fathers," needless to say. Moscow Mitch and friends, on the other hand, seem to repeat it instead of the Pledge of Allegiance every morning.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
4. Fixing our electoral systems is higher priority than health care, guns, environment ANYTHING. We're
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 01:38 PM
Aug 2019

... going to keep getting our asses kicked if we allow the current system to stay in place.

Might as well count those aforementioned issues as lost without an accountable electoral system.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
5. The entire republican crime family is out in the open breaking laws & no one can do anything
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 02:35 PM
Aug 2019

about it, we are in a true fascist society.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
8. Isn't it though...
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 02:42 PM
Aug 2019

...almost as if they voting machines were all manufactured by republican companies... oh wait, they are.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
10. Knowingly rig our elections?
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 02:49 PM
Aug 2019

Life in prison or death as a traitor to our Democracy.

Still want to play?

diva77

(7,640 posts)
12. "Anomalies" and "Irregularities" need to be broken down into "intentional/unintentional" categories.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 03:06 PM
Aug 2019


K&R for exposure

questionseverything

(9,654 posts)
15. we need paper ballots counted by the public in an open transparent manner
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:31 PM
Aug 2019

nothing else will fix this mess

diva77

(7,640 posts)
16. I agree 1000%
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:44 PM
Aug 2019

I was trying to address how faulty the framing of election results is -- to simply use the term "anomalies" or "irregularities" to me is to gloss over the seriousness of votes being lost or flipped. We should err on the side of treating anomalies as possible crimes, and therefore include an investigation of the cause, the actors involved, and a motive.

questionseverything

(9,654 posts)
17. i agree
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:50 PM
Aug 2019

and it just so happens that the "irregularities" get worse for precincts full of poc

from the article...

In addition, the drop-off in votes grew more extreme in precincts with large African American populations, according to an analysis by TargetSmart, a data-tracking firm affiliated with the Democratic Party.

Toorich

(391 posts)
13. What the hell?!?!?!?!?
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 03:15 PM
Aug 2019

They better get those other 6 machines serviced and repaired before the next election.
Democrats winning every race on them. They were obviously broken.

robbob

(3,528 posts)
14. People need to start going to jail.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:16 PM
Aug 2019

The right to vote, and have your vote counted, is the most basic of any democracy. This kind of tampering and vote suppression needs to be investigated and met with stiff jail sentences. That’s the only way it’s ever going to stop...

ProfessorPlum

(11,257 posts)
22. why why why why why why why haven't Democrats been screaming about this for decades?
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 08:20 AM
Aug 2019

I can't believe they don't see the extreme danger we are all in because of these machines

diva77

(7,640 posts)
28. The stock talking point is "if people think the machines are rigged, they won't vote."
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 11:02 AM
Aug 2019

Very unfortunate since it seems landslides are needed to eke above the margin of error in order to win elections these days.

Too much vendor/lobbyist and dark money influence keeps these computerized vote-rigging things afloat.

DENVERPOPS

(8,818 posts)
30. Again.......
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 12:02 PM
Aug 2019

Of all the nightmares this nation faced after Obama got elected, I felt he would immediately, on January 21st, launch a Major Investigation into our corrupted voting system. Obama and all the rest of the nation had watched the stealing of the elections from Gore AND from Kerry. Voting machines flagrantly and illegally giving the votes to "W".......

AND YET, for two terms, eight years, OBAMA didn't do a single thing to address the problem.

I have asked many fellow Obama voters that question, and they haven't been able to come with an answer...........

Do not take this as a crusade against Obama, I voted for him twice, just a serious question that I feel deserves a serious answer.....

amywalk

(254 posts)
23. We've seen them in Georgia before and you don't have to look
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 08:21 AM
Aug 2019

much farther than 2018. Stacey Abrams most definitely won that race, but what matters more than who actually votes? it’s who counts those votes. And when you have the @GOP and the Russians counting the votes, the @GOP and Trump wins. Shocking! Ik.
The Republicans have been cheating like crazy on the touch screen voting machines since George W. Bush’s era. Remember Jeb! Bringing home the state of Florida for his bro even after the state had been called for @AlGore and then @JohnKerry. The only way we can beat them now is to come out in such overwhelming numbers that cheating isn’t an option.
We also lost the Fla Governorship last year to cheating. Andrew Gillum was elected Governor of Florida, but the votes were changed after it had been called (always a reason to ask for a recount). We can’t accept this bullshit anymore. We can’t let them keep cheating. They are quite literally killing our children and our home, planet Earth. So, this time is the biggest election of our lifetime. Everything is at stake.

DENVERPOPS

(8,818 posts)
29. My question to you and others in this article
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 12:01 PM
Aug 2019

Of all the nightmares this nation faced after Obama got elected, I felt he would immediately, on January 21st, launch a Major Investigation into our corrupted voting system. Obama and all the rest of the nation had watched the stealing of the elections from Gore AND from Kerry. Voting machines flagrantly and illegally giving the votes to "W".......

AND YET, for two terms, eight years, OBAMA didn't do a single thing to address the problem.

I have asked many fellow Obama voters that question, and they haven't been able to come with an answer...........

Do not take this as a crusade against Obama, I voted for him twice, just a serious question that I feel deserves a serious answer.....

klook

(12,154 posts)
26. If you can get a paper receipt from an ATM or a credit card transaction,
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 09:58 AM
Aug 2019

why can’t you get a paper receipt showing who you voted for? Shouldn’t be any more complicated.

On edit: And the voter should be able to use that paper receipt to verify his or her vote after the fact, just as we can for a financial transaction.

Every time I cast my ballot on an electronic voting machine with no paper trail, I have no way of knowing my vote was recorded properly, or at all. There is NO excuse for this.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
33. And every vote should be available online as well...
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 01:52 PM
Aug 2019

so I should be able to put in my ssn and some secret voter ID code and see what my vote was. Then, we could easily solve any anomalies with voter totals and everyone has 7 days to raise a complaint against what their vote says.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
27. Cheaters gonna face the music? I hope so
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 10:48 AM
Aug 2019
We've seen these anomalies in Florida since 2000. Unless we can get election integrity, the Russian/Repubs will continue to "win".

Sancho

(9,069 posts)
36. I reported a DRE flipping votes almost exactly like the one reported in GA...
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 06:03 AM
Aug 2019

in Florida in 2004.

No one wants to hear it. Countable paper ballots is the only way to have fair elections.

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