guy who just murdered three, runs around wrestling with cops, not shot or injured

[Demovictory9]

arrested nicely, given yellow towel

[SunSeeker]

1. White privilege on display....among other things. nt

[LisaL]

6. I think it's clear that insanity defense is coming.

The victims were his mother, sister and little nephew. So I dunno how privileged this guy is. It would appear he is off his rocker.

[nocoincidences]

2. I just read the title:

guy who just murdered tree, runs around wrestling with cops, not shot or injured

It made perfect sense...for two seconds.

I need another beer. This hurricane watching is driving me loony tunes.

[HipChick]

3. After the triple homicide, he was sprayed with Mace

Then he went on to attack another person..

[LisaL]

4. I recall a case where another naked man was killed, and most of DU was screaming that

because naked man isn't armed, police shouldn't have killed him. Clearly there is no pleasing DU.

[Fla Dem]

7. That's right. Police wouldn't be able to claim he had a gun or pulled a gun on them.

Where did he have it in his arsehole? Police know when they can't hide behind lies.

[LisaL]

8. One doesn't have to have a gun to be dangerous. This naked dude (in the OP) managed to attack

a bystander while running away from police.
So WTF does someone needs to have a gun to be dangerous?

[Fla Dem]

12. I'm sorrybbut if the police can't subdue a naked man with no weapons,

they need to go back to the academy for training. Afterall, a policeman was able to choke to death an unarmed fully dressed Eric Garner.

[LisaL]

13. In this case they did eventually, but yet you are still complaining?

[Fla Dem]

22. Not complaining about anything.

YOU were complaining that some DUer’s were not pleased that the police didn’t’ shoot the guy. I was agreeing I thought with you, that an unarmed, naked man should not be gunned down.

I guess I mis-interpreted your post. Evidently you agree that an unarmed naked man should be gunned down.

[LisaL]

25. They let him run away and attack a bystander.

I view that as a problem.

[Blue_true]

26. No one is complaining, just pointing out rational stuff.

I saw a person get tazed by a police officer once. The sound of the tazer went off and they guy was on the floor in a flash. Why didn't the guy get tazed? Would he have been allowed to do what he did if he was Black or Brown? The question seems to be one that you seem to not be taking at face value given what we have witnessed.

[Historic NY]

29. Did you ever try to grab a wet sweaty asshole with no clothes?

A baseball bat would work fine, but then people here would be screaming police brutality. Eventually were going to find out besides him be nuts he was whacked out on some drug.

[mr_lebowski]

30. Uh ... maaaaybe once or twice ... but i promise it was consensual ... (nt)

[cwydro]

11. Lol. You are SO right.

[LisaL]

5. Victims were his relatives.

Not sure police would have figured out at the time that he allegedly killed three people.

[Collimator]

9. Being naked, it was obvious that he wasn't armed.

So, I could give the police a few points on the "choosing restraint" meter. That doesn't mean that being white didn't lower the guy on the cops' "shoot 'em; he's some kind of threat" meter.

There is no question in my mind that black people register as more of a threat in the minds of police. The research on use of force by law enforcement bears this out. Still, a naked person who can't possibly be concealing anything does tend to trigger a different reaction than fear of loss of life to an armed police officer.

[LisaL]

10. But he did attack a bystander despite being naked, which clearly indicates a naked person

doesn't mean a harmless person.
What if he killed that bystander because police were using non-lethal weapons while trying to catch him?

[Collimator]

14. I wasn't there.

Therefore, I don't know exactly which actions should have been undertaken. (There is also my complete lack of police training to consider.) All I was saying is that being white may have lowered his threat assessment in the eyes of the police on the scene. Being naked meant that he could not have been carrying a weapon that the police would have feared as a danger to their own lives.

Mistaking common objects for weapons is the motivation behind a lot of needless police killings. Being black tends to trigger a higher threat assessment in police officers' minds.

The Onion did a story* on black parents warning their sons not to carry any object whatsoever in their hands for fear of being targeted as armed by the police. It was a take on "The Talk" that black parents give to their kids when they get their driver's license. Black parents don't just have to point out the need to be responsible on the road, they also have to prepare their children for what to do when they get pulled over by the police. Because they know that their children will get pulled over by the police. And it doesn't matter how carefully they drive. Young black men in cars get pulled over by the police. Regularly.

Beyond all that I don't know how to answer the question that you pose. Would it have made you feel better if the man had been shot dead?

* The Onion story was on point, funny and tragic at the same time.

[LisaL]

15. Well, thankfully in this case the bystander wasn't killed when naked dude attacked him.

I would certainly feel police should have shot the naked dude if not shooting him resulted in bystander being strangled to death (for which one doesn't need a weapon).

[Collimator]

16. No, you don't need a weapon to strangle someone.

But you do need to position yourself, leverage your body weight and enough time to finish the job. During the "mid-strangulation" point, one or more cops may have been able to get to the attacker and hit him with a club. Shooting the guy might have been a greater danger to the intended victim. Shooting the naked guy to death while he was running and before he got close enough to attack another person would have been a bad call, regardless of the color of the skin that was blatantly on display.

[LisaL]

17. Did you watch the video? Naked dude managed to outrun the cop and appears to be trying to strangle

the bystander before cop gets to him. I dunno how long it takes to strangle someone, but in this case cop was much slower running than the naked dude.

[Collimator]

18. In the words of Charlie Brown. . .

Good grief. What do you want me to say? I can't see how a police officer can justify shooting to death a naked, unarmed person because he might strangle someone.

Without some sort of foresight that allows someone to KNOW that a nude, unarmed bad guy is definitely going to try to kill someone, do you honestly feel that shooting to kill is the absolutely correct call when an assailant is running away?

[LisaL]

19. He allegedly just killed three people so that might be a clue he is dangerous, naked or not.

We are talking about a guy who is accused of killing his mother, sister and nephew, after all.

[Collimator]

20. Key word is "alleged'.

And there are a series of steps between accusation and performance of capital punishment.

Furthermore, I was not arguing that the man wasn't dangerous at all. If you feel comfortable in a world where police just shoot to death clearly unarmed, fleeing suspects that is your choice. I would opt for better training in the use of non-lethal methods.

Naked people can be difficult to tackle because of the lack of clothes to grasp, but maybe the police could have thrown a baton at the back of the guy's knees. Maybe they could have shot him in the buttocks. Maybe they could have coordinated their approach to him more efficiently. Maybe the one cop needs to run a few laps and get in better condition. Maybe police officers should be issued black running shoes instead of dress shoes so that they can run faster as is done in some cities.

I feel very sad about the dead family members. I certainly feel bad for the person who was nearly strangled. I don't feel bad that the cops didn't think to themselves, Here's a naked guy fleeing the scene of a crime. We can see that he's not carrying a weapon. But what the hell, let's shoot to kill. After all, he could strangle somebody, or maybe he has AIDS and could bite somebody. Let's not take any chances. When in doubt, take a human life if the opportunity presents itself.

[onethatcares]

33. it's a good thing

he wasn't selling individual cigarettes. That would have gotten him the immediate death sentence.

[Sewa]

21. You're upset the police didn't kill

an unarmed “white” man. How progressive!

[Demovictory9]

23. no i am not. watch the 2nd video. 4 unarmed mentally ill black men killed

point is to call out racial bias

[Crunchy Frog]

27. That's not my interpretation.

I think people just wish the police weren't killing so many unarmed black men.

[Blue_true]

24. Contrast that to the Black kid in Boulder Colorado who simply tried to run

away from a questioning, only to have a cop stand, pull a gun and kill him. The two cops involved still have jobs.

[Maru Kitteh]

28. He seems nice.

Just another mother-fucking stable genius, enjoying some fresh air.

[Aristus]

31. Did they take him to Burger King afterwards?

That seems to be the MO for kkkops rewarding murderers for the killing they're not allowed to do.

[Sewa]

32. He's on suicide watch.

Lets see if they do a better job than the fed prison

[ck4829]

34. Add "Being Naked While Black" to the list: "Being Naked Doesn't Remove the Threat"

Compare and contrast...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210619589

[malaise]

35. Great post

Oh yes

[ck4829]

36. Thank you, be sure to also compare and contrast what *WE* are saying as well

In particular, look at the top of the replies where it's suggested Peters might have been mentally ill.

[malaise]

37. I would argue that both may have been mentally ill

but the treatment is very different.

[ck4829]

38. Absolutely