TX shooter (30-something y/o white male) "name may never be released

[live love laugh]

🤔🤔

According to ABC Nuwz just now.

Hmmmm. Wonder why ... 🤔🤔

[unblock]

1. perhaps he has a promising career as an athlete and that wouldn't be fair to him.

[live love laugh]

3. Oh of course! How crazy of me. nt

[LisaL]

7. Well he is dead so clearly whatever promising career he had doesn't matter anymore.

[Hortensis]

23. Don't be a paranoia pooper. That's no fun.

[wcmagumba]

8. and comes from a "good" family...nt

[Tommy_Carcetti]

2. I understand the sentiment, but the public had a right to know

Especially if those around him may have noticed warning signs.

That’s more important here.

[live love laugh]

10. Yeah it could be said that's a protective measure but who's really being protected here

🤷?♀️

[Wounded Bear]

4. I'm fine with not releasing the name...no need to increase the "celebrity" status of the asshole.

I'm sure it'll leak, though.

[hlthe2b]

25. NO! Never releasing allows us to be manipulated. We shouldn't give excessive coverage to the

killer, but we DO need to know the truth--who, why, and HOW?

Seriously, think of the consequences and how readily those in power can manipulate public perception, if we never identify WHO was behind these incidents?

[live love laugh]

36. Absolutely nt

[rampartc]

56. by tomorrow the "truth" will be that this guy was a dedicated antifa

who voted for beto and hates trump.

it must be true because it is on the internet.

[dawg day]

43. I don't see how that's legal.

For one thing, while I'm sure they're certain he did all the killings, they're going to have to make sure, and there are 5 people dead and the case has to be dealt with. The injured need to know whose estate to sue, and so on. There will have to be a death certificate filed...

But what would be the reason anyway? Not to give him notoreity? They're sure getting delicate about that.

The police and media were quick to identify Simone Biles's brother as a murderer, when she-- a completely innocent person-- is now being made notorious for something she didn't do... and he's almost always identified first as her brother.

[Crunchy Frog]

63. Probably don't want people to know how or where he obtained his firearms.

It might make some important people look bad.

[LisaL]

5. What? He is not a minor, so how can they justify not releasing the name?

[Maru Kitteh]

6. FOIA. It will be released.

[live love laugh]

17. Maybe ...

In time I am sure FOIA will happen but meanwhile I’m betting his social media et al are being scrubbed—and any incriminating right wing connections erased or dumped.

[Hugin]

9. Maybe it rhymes with "Trump" or "McConnell".

or something.

[PCIntern]

12. I have it on good authority that his name is

Onalday Rumptay

[Maraya1969]

64. ..........

[NCjack]

15. Abbott would be very inconvenient. nt

[Hugin]

24. It'll take some time to scrub all of the MAGAt and NRA hogwash off of his social media accounts.

So, it's a delay tactic.

OTOH... It'll give them a chance to plant some Antifa bull on there.

[CentralMass]

33. My suspicions as well.

[Quemado]

46. +1 They are deliberately delaying his identity in order to reduce (if not prevent)

discovery of all of his dirty laundry (social media, affiliations, etc.).

[lindysalsagal]

11. I'm aware that some feel concealing names might act as a deterrent but when did that

ever happen? This is a free country, and with easy communications, there's always someone who knows the name and someone who will tell.

I wonder if someone in the throes of fury and frustration can really put it together that "well, there's no point, since they won't publish my name."

I think the availability of assault rifles will always be the problem and that the solution will always be restrictions, which many americans won't tolerate.

And around we go.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

14. If anything it might help.

Once the name is released the people around him will start putting together all the red flags, and that might in turn help others recognize behaviors of potential shooters elsewhere.

[hlthe2b]

22. Not releasing it leaves us to conspiracy theory and worse, covered real motivations, preventing

any possibility for preventing similar events.

Those who approve of NEVER releasing such names need to really think of the consequences. How readily will we be manipulated to believe whatever whoever in power wants us to believe on these gun incidents if we can never see for ourselves?!

[librechik]

37. agree! More light!

There's so many we won't remember the names anyway.

[dawg day]

50. And the victims and families have the right to know

And the shooter's neighbors and co-workers.

It won't last, of course-- someone won't show up for work, and it'll come out.

i do wonder if this is another El Paso guy who drove from another state, or a local.

But there's no legal right to withhold the name of a criminal, and there are all sorts of official forms (death certificate).

[Mike 03]

31. Maybe I'm in the minority but I am in favor of

releasing names, backstory, motive, everything.

I always read the reports on mass shooters. I want to know about their childhood, relationship with their parents and siblings, how they did in school, what groups they belonged to, social media, their medical and psych reports, what medications they were on, what the medical examiner found, toxicology.

Somebody said "Mass shootings have similarities, but each mass shooting is different in an important way."

[Farmer-Rick]

13. Oh, I know, I know

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He is Traitor Trump's next nominee for Supreme Court justice. (alive or dead, Traitor Trump doesn't really care) You can't ruin his career over this. He deserves a fair and impartial hearing as a possible judge and supreme.

[LisaL]

16. He is dead.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

19. Being dead is already a fairly serious career impediment.

[LisaL]

20. One would think that.

Even in Trump's administration.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

21. I do have some questions about Ben Carson, though.

If he's not actually dead, he gives the impression of being dead-ish.

[live love laugh]

38. Yes the dead eyes are a real giveaway. nt

[malaise]

18. He most be related to some ReTHUG politician

or one of their donors

[KY_EnviroGuy]

26. I may be over-dramatizing but I have noticed....

when a black kid or adult commits a shooting, the name and race seems to appear within a few hours of the shooting.

For example, the kid that did the shooting in Mobile on Saturday had his name in the papers that same night.

Same with the guy that recently shot up a city neighborhood in Philadelphia. Name published same day.

Am I over-analyzing or does this practice just depend on location?.......

+++++++++++
BTW, just saw that the death toll has risen to seven in the Odessa shooting......

[live love laugh]

30. I think that's accurate. nt

[BeyondGeography]

52. You're not over-dramatizing nt

[raccoon]

27. Who was he related to? Nt

[Sneederbunk]

28. The name will be revealed one way or another.

[DFW]

29. This will only increase speculation all over Texas

Was his name Abbott? Bush? Cheney? Cornyn? Pickens? Delay?

I suspect the more of this there is, the more the families from who the shooter was NOT will increase pressure to reveal the name so that theirs is no longer included in the speculation.

[librechik]

34. absolutely--

Texas, with their new gun party laws should hang their heads in shame. I know what a tough spot Texas is in with the lame-ass legislature it has, so I am so sorry for you guys. It seems hopeless

[walkingman]

39. Thanks for the sympathy - it does get quite depressing living in such a backwards state. Although

in most of the urban areas are some great people. It is rural Texas that dictates this ignorance. I know I live about 50 miles from Austin and it is remarkable the mentality compared to the Austin area. I love the privacy and beauty of nature but it does come at a cost in Texas.

[nycbos]

32. I like the idea behind "no notoriety"

Notoriety is often what mass shooters crave. Not giving them the attention they seek I feel is a good idea.

https://nonotoriety.com

[walkingman]

35. Probably kin to the Bushes. Midland/Odessa is W's hometown. Or maybe some fossil fuel shitass.

The entire area is populated with right-wingers that are extremeists.

[Baitball Blogger]

40. Oh, have they figured out how to make one shooting undistinguishable from another?

We need a name.

[raccoon]

41. Story I saw said in his mid-thirties. Nt

[live love laugh]

48. Thanks for the correction. nt

[Crafty Girl]

42. What most of these guys want

is celebrity. They want their names to be known worldwide and remembered throughout history--kind of like Klebold and Harris.

Since Columbine, a serious effort has been made NOT to give them what they want. Think back to April. In all the reporting I saw on the 20th anniversary of Columbine, not even once did I hear either of the shooters' names mentioned.

Of all the recent shooters (waaaay too many) how many of the names can anyone think of right off the tops of our heads? Not many, if any. Who was the shooter at that Texas church? Or at the school in Santa Fe?

There was a mass shooting in Canada a few years back, and IIRC, the shooter's name was NEVER released.

That kind of anonymity may not stop other mass shootings, but it will certainly disincentivize those who want fame or infamy.

[NotASurfer]

44. Have Uday and Qusay been seen in public recently?

I mean, since the Jr almost-nobody-cares rally?

I think you just bide your time. Somebody is going to put two and two together based on, say, pictures of the vehicle that was pulled over, and a gun-happy neighbor who disappeared at the same time.

[pwb]

45. Families of criminals never like their name released, But it always is.

No families status should allow a crime to be hidden. The families of the dead have a right to know.

[get the red out]

47. If he wasn't white

we would probably know everything about him by now. I understand that it is good not to give mass shooters recognition, but that can't be racially selective.

[42bambi]

49. Someone from the area that knew him may

eventually post his identity on FB or Twitter.

[bronxiteforever]

51. If he was Muslim 24 hours news coverage on Faux,Daily Mail and the NY Post.

[live love laugh]

53. Yup and if black face plastered everywhere ad nauseum. nt

[bronxiteforever]

55. Totally agree.

[Beringia]

57. OMG, they're onto us, what do we do now?

Double down.


(Sarcasm)

[uponit7771]

61. +1

[Lint Head]

58. Was it George Gordon Liddy?

[redstatebluegirl]

59. Daddy might be a big time oil dude. I know we protect them here in Oklahoma.

[Mc Mike]

60. Vice chair of Odessa's tRump 2020 campaign?

[Johnny2X2X]

62. Horse crap

If he’s white people talk about downplaying who he is. If he were black or Muslim zero media would be talking about keeping his name a secret.

Give me a break, put his name out there, he’s dead, we deserve the right to know why he may have killed and who radicalized him.

[fescuerescue]

65. I think maybe a delay of 30 to 60 days before releasing the shooters name

Might be worth considering.

I can't agree with keeping it a secret. But I also believe that these people, at least many of them seek fame.

The reality is, that the public doesn't care about a shooting 60 days after the event. That's the a harsh truth. In fact we've just moved on to the whatever is the latest shooting.

A delay would allow the public to be informed and to prevent coverups, but by the time that 60 days goes by, the shooter is now playing to a small audience and not the entire world.

[spanone]

66. Seth Ator, 36, reportedly identified as Texas shooter

[live love laugh]

67. Thanks! nt