Do you actually know any Dem who'll be so angry if Trump isn't impeached, they won't vote next year?

[StarfishSaver]

And if so, would you please explain their reasoning?

Thank you.

EDIT: To clarify - I'm not talking about Trump voters - I'm asking about the Democratic voters some people here keep telling us we'll lose because they'll be so demoralized if the House doesn't impeach they'll refuse to vote or vote third party next November.

[Big Blue Marble]

1. That is the problem.

There is no reasoning.

[stopdiggin]

31. and there are no such votes

any disaffected Bernie Bros, or third part wingnuts, learned their lesson thoroughly in the last presidential election. those that would even THINK to repeat that performance -- are not now (and never have been) Democrats. (and in my opinion, of questionable patriotism)

[StarfishSaver]

71. So is there any reason to trust that they'll vote against him even IF he's impeached?

Seems to me that anyone who would claim that failure to impeach is the reason they won't vote against him is just looking for an excuse for what they weren't going to do anyway.

[redstateblues]

2. That is a bogus meme. This election is a referendum on Trump

Most of the time when an incumbent is running to be re-elected its a referendum on that person. There is tremendous energy to throw out Trump.

[TruckFump]

3. Money in his pocket.

And...believes EVERYTHING he hears on Faux Snooze.

[StarfishSaver]

5. It sounds like he won't vote against Trump, impeachment or not

[TruckFump]

6. Has a cup on his office desk...

..."I am one of the deplorables."

[StarfishSaver]

9. He's not one of the ones I'm asking about

I'm asking about the Democratic voters some DUers keep saying we'll lose if the House doesn't impeach Trump.

[PufPuf23]

61. IMO the Democratic party will harms its future if it fails to impeach Trump in the House.

That does not mean not to vote Democratic but it may effect what Democratic candidate one supports in primaries for various positions. The DNC et al may not be happy with voters that support potential usurpers to incumbents who ultimately do not support impeachment. If the House impeaches Trump and the GOP dominated Senate fails to address or convict Trump, this fact should be used to pillory GOP senators in the next election. Even if Trump is impeached and convicted, pols that support Trump should never be forgiven.

[StarfishSaver]

63. I agree

And I think that's where the House is going. But timing is everything. Assuming that if impeachment doesn't happen this very minute means it won't ever happen or that we'll be permanently damaged is wrong. Timing is critical.

[Siwsan]

4. I have several cousins who will, undoubtedly, continue to vote for it

I don't understand why. Or, maybe I just don't want to accept that there are racists or racist enablers related to me, by blood.

Interaction, with them, is limited to when it's a family related issue, and even then I keep the contact to an absolute minimum.

[StarfishSaver]

8. I'm talking about the ones who people here keep telling us we'll lose

of the House doesn't impeach Trump. I have yet to meet a real live person who says they'll be so upset with Democrats if they don't impeach Trump that they either won't vote or won't vote against Trump next year in retaliation. I'm trying to figure out if such a specimen exists and, if so, what's their reasoning.

[Siwsan]

12. Oops! Ok, that's just crazy! No wonder I misinterpreted the question!!

I suspect there may be some 'trolls' trying to sow some nasty little seeds. (I admit that this is just about the time I start paying attention to post counts. Especially when I see anything that triggers a flash of 'WTF?????'

[StarfishSaver]

13. That was my bad. I realize my question wasn't clear, so I rephrased it.

[SharonAnn]

7. Most of my neighbors will vote for him. Fox News addicts, they love him.

They're argumentative, belligerent, hateful, racist, white supremacists. They understand nothing about economics, treaties, protections being gutted by agencies, etc.

That's why they'll vote for him.

Aside from that, they're great neighbors. Church going, helpful, courteous. But I don't think that makes up for their political views. So I generally avoid them. I usually have to leave within an hour after I arrive at a neighborhood event because of the virulence of their political views being spoken loudly and often. Of course, a few drinks only increases that.

[sharedvalues]

15. Tell them about Murdoch

“You know who owns Fox, right? A billionaire who lies to you about Trump and minorities and immigrants so you’ll vote for billionaires’ tax cuts. Murdoch thinks Fox viewers are suckers. And he’s right.”

[Mariana]

112. Most of them don't believe that

and even if they do believe it, they don't care.

[sharedvalues]

113. It works. Have experience.

Works best on men.
Tell them Murdoch is suckering them and that they are idiots, getting screwed by Fox.
They will yell at you.
Then they will change their minds.

[bluestarone]

74. Typical tRUMPY type!!

Be careful around them when they lose in 2020

[Dan]

78. I wonder, are your neighbors aware

That Trump’s actions on the environment - might result in the death of the planet?

That Trump’s actions with the G-7 and his fight with NATO might result in our having no allies?

That Trump’s actions with China, Iran, North Korea - might escalate the chances of WWIII?

Oh - I forgot - maybe your neighbors are looking forward to the rapture, in which case, ignore the above.

[PSPS]

10. That's it in a nutshell

The real task is to somehow overcome the GOP/russians' interference through social media and voter suppression. (And I suspect some of the braying about impeachment here on DU is part of that interference.)

[Sacramento999]

11. Proud rebel

This proud rebel will vote for trump
https://www.reddit.com/r/beholdthemasterrace/comments/cv0fyc/went_to_washington_dc_saw_this_confused_angry/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

[sharedvalues]

14. They might not vote for Pelosi and other Ds in primaries

[StarfishSaver]

19. I don't think Pelosi is worried about losing her seat

And the Members who aren't on board with impeachment are mostly from more conservative districts where a majority of their constituents aren't there yet either, so they're also probably not worried that not supporting impeachment at this point will hurt them in a primary, either.

But much of the argument I've seen on this front is from people claiming that there are Democrats who'll be so angry that Trump wasn't impeached that they won't vote next November to get Trump out. That claim makes absolutely no sense to me, so I'm asking people to: 1) tell us about anyone they actually know who thinks that way and 2) explain their reasoning.

So far, I haven't gotten a good answer to either question.

[still_one]

32. Interesting and don't it. I thought reading was a fundamental skill

[Soxfan58]

16. I never thought

Anyone would be so pissed about Bernie losing they wouldn't vote for Hillary

[mcar]

24. And yet so many voted for Dotard that it swung the key 3 states

[CentralMass]

17. I suspect that I have one friend/ coworker thst might still be plannig to vote

for him. We dont delve too deeply into politics. He is in his 40's and has a lovely wife and children.

He joined the marines right out of high school and then got an engineering degree

We have some common ground politically and while I believe that he knows tRump is a moron i'm guessing that he would never vote for a Democrat.

[StarfishSaver]

20. But he's not the kind of voter I'm talking about

I'm asking about the Democrats we keep hearing about who will be so angry that the Democrats didn't impeach that they won't vote to get Trump out next November.

[CentralMass]

28. Among my family and friends who are Democrats I don't know anyone who won't vote for the nominee.

However analysis of past elections would indicate that it is a fact of life that some primary voters will not vote for the parties nominee when their candidate loses.

[Bradical79]

18. Nope

No one has ever expressed that to me, but my guess is that if any take that into account, they were probably pretty unhappy with the Democratic Party for other reasons. Either protest voters, or those who have just given up awhile ago.

[lindysalsagal]

21. It's about the optics of a failed house/senate vote.

Not individual election votes.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

22. I believe there are a lot of younger voters that will be put off from voting because of it.

A lot of them think that the system itself is flawed and that their vote doesn't really matter. Add into that general sense of the world a situation where the Dems are voted into the House which indicates a clear mandate for change and action. If that House that was voted in for change doesn't do anything to address the obvious ways in which Trump should be impeached, that is just going to solidify the fact that nothing is going to be done and their vote doesn't count. Yes, I know many are going to say "they need to get over it and vote" but if we know the problem, can't we, um, do things that they want done so they feel like people actually do care about their issues?

And, yes, I do know that the Senate will note remove Trump if he is impeached. Big whoop. That's their problem and an issue everyone that votes to not remove him will have to deal with for the rest of their political campaign. The House needs to do what's right. And that is what a lot of younger voters feel.

[StarfishSaver]

25. Do you actually know anyone who has said that's what they would do, or are you speculating?

And maybe instead of jumping the gun and rushing to take ill-advised actions out of fear that a minority of new voters MIGHT react negatively if we don't do it, why not work to educated them about the process and why their vote actually does matter? And part of that education should be to help them understand why it's batshish crazy to claim to be so upset that the House didn't take steps to impeach Trump (but not remove him from office) that they won't do what's in their power to actually help remove him from office.

We can't have the tail wagging the dog and expect Democratic leadership to run around jumping through hoops because some voters are clueless about the process. Help clue them in about the process.

That is if there truly are people out there who think this way. I haven't met a single person who is so upset about Trump that they want him impeached but will base their vote next November on whether the Democrats impeach or not. Not one single person.

Have you met anyone who has said they're going to do that?

[Cuthbert Allgood]

42. I know young voters that have expressed this sentiment.

I was paraphrasing a lot of conversations, but yes.

I tend to agree with them. The House needs to do their job. They need to have impeachment hearings. They can't not do their job just because they don't think the Senate won't do theirs.

And I don't think it's the tail wagging the dog when a voting block that is bigger than the Greatest Gen and Boomers combined is saying they would like something.

[StarfishSaver]

48. Instead of demanding the House hold impeachment hearings right now to appease these misgided young,

inexperienced, voters, why not try to help them understand the complete lack of logic of not voting against Trump next year because the House didn't impeach him this fall - especially since impeachment isn't going to remove him from office anyway?

Why not explain to them that allowing Trump to remain in office for another four years because the House didn't take an action that wasn't going to change his behavior or get him out of office one day sooner just doesn't make any sense?

Why not try to educate the about the importance of their vote?

Why not help them see how self-centered, selfish, and, frankly, childish, it is to allow their own consternation because someone else didn't hold impeachment hearings get in the way of THEIR obligation to do everything humanly possible to stop this man from continuing to wreak havoc on the country - including on people who don't have the privilege of voting that they seem to take for granted (but of course, do it in the nicest, gentlest possible way since God forbid you offend them in any way)?

And if you don't think that would work, why do you trust them to vote next year anyway, regardless what they House Democrats do. These people you're talking about sound like anything could set them off and we risk the not voting if anything happens that's not completely to their liking.

And, fyi - the fact that you heard a couple of people in a particular demographic threaten to take their toys and go home if they don't get their way doesn't mean the entire voting bloc will behave that way. I believe the vast majority of young people actually have a clue and won't stomp their feet and refuse to vote Trump out of office because the House didn't impeach him.

[stopdiggin]

39. are your young voters aware

that Mitch McConnell has refused to even take up most legislation passed by the House? I guess what I'm asking is, are they at all aware of the true political calculus of what is going on in DC? Or are they just moping about saying the system needs to change?

[Cuthbert Allgood]

40. What Mitch McConnell does has no impact on the House doing their job.

Make the Senate do their job. By not doing anything about Trump, it looks like the House is agreeing with the Senate.

Do you think the system doesn't need to change?

[stopdiggin]

46. can't see the system changing without people getting out to vote

the original OP was about voters who (supposedly) are so discouraged/disaffected by the House not bringing articles that they will not vote to oust Trump in 2020. Then you brought in young voters as a possible group that are discouraged because the Dems are "not doing things that they want." So, I'll repeat -- are these young voters going to change the system by not voting in 2020?

[Cuthbert Allgood]

49. My argument is that they feel their vote doesn't matter.

That regardless who is in office, nothing is going to happen--whether they vote or not, nothing is going to significantly change with the system. AOC is a good example of doing things to engage younger voters. Telling them they're stupid or not a Dem (I am not quoting you here--paraphrasing sentiments in this thread) is not going to get them to the polls for us.

[StarfishSaver]

52. If they feel that the House not impeaching Trump means that their vote in a presidential election

doesn't matter, they need to have someone explain the political process to them again. They totally lost the thread. And they definitely don't need to be the beacons by which House leadership and the rest of us determine which path to take.

[mcar]

23. Anyone who would do that is not a Democrat

and doesn't care about this country. It's the same as the "if you're not nice to me and my candidate, I may not vote" crowd of immature narcissists.

[StarfishSaver]

27. Exactly. And anyone with that attitude can't be trusted to vote Democratic no matter WHAT

the Democrats do or don't do. So why would such a threat - if it's actually being made since I haven't heard anyone say this - drive how the party approaches impeachment?

[mcar]

30. Perhaps because the people pushing the threat

are the ones who really don't plan voting for Democrats and want an excuse?

Note, also, they are the ones ignoring or discounting the impeachment inquiry that actually is happening because it's not good enough, or something.

[StarfishSaver]

33. There's not a single lie in your post.

But may I add: "Perhaps because the people pushing the threat are the ones who really don't plan voting for Democrats and want an excuse and want to sow discord among actual Democrats in hopes of discouraging and suppressing their votes?"

[mcar]

43. Good point

[standingtall]

47. If about 70 percent of Democrats support impeachment and about 30 percent don't

and discord is being sown because of it? Which side is actually sowing the discord?

"and want to sow discord among actual Democrats in hopes of discouraging and suppressing their votes?"

ascribe ulterior motives much?

[StarfishSaver]

55. If the Judiciary Committee chairman says repeatedly they've opened a formal impeachment inquiry

that is fully authorized and supported by the Speaker (and even said so under oath in court documents filed by lawyers reporting to the Speaker), yet people keep coming on to DU to 1) insist that the House hasn't opened an impeachment inquiry, 2) claim that the House may have opened an inquiry but it doesn't count because the full House didn't vote on a resolution to open an inquiry that the Committee is currently conducting, 3) accuse Speaker Pelosi of being against impeachment and trying to prevent it, and 4) accuse the Democrats of being weak and cowardly, yes, one would have good reason to assume that those engaging in such behavior are trying to sow discord among actual Democrats in hopes of discouraging and suppressing their votes.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant.

[standingtall]

59. So any criticism of how this being handled by those in the majority of how this being handled

means those people aren't people aren't real Democrats? and are trying to sow discord among actual Democrats , because the minority of Democrats who don't support impeachment and the extreme minority of Democrats still trying to have it both ways say so?

[StarfishSaver]

60. No.

I'm not talking about everyone who criticizes how this is being handled.

If you read my posts, you'll see I'm talking about the people who consistently lie about how this is being handled.

[peggysue2]

26. No!

Any real Democrat will vote Trump out regardless of what happens with the impeachment question. Anything less is national suicide.

[Runningdawg]

29. I understand what the OP is asking

I have one friend who, come to find out just recently, lied and only said she voted last time. Although I have not asked her this question directly, I suspect she will in fact, sit the next one out as well. It seems for some, if they can't have everything go their way, they just take their toys and go home.

[StarfishSaver]

34. But would she sit out because the Democrats didn't impeach or would she sit it out anyway and

find another excuse? And if the Democrats DO impeach him, will she definitely vote against him?

[Runningdawg]

68. Yes I think she might sit out if they don't impeach

If they do she might vote against him. However if her candidate does not get the nomination I think she might just go full libertarian and uses the excuse "both sides suck, I'm not voting for either".
And I just don't get it. She is as active of a Dem as I know. She takes time off work and travels out of state to demonstrations, she's very active in her community, works as a volunteer for the election board....

[StarfishSaver]

70. It sounds like impeachment isn't the issue, it's just an excuse

I also wouldn't trust her to vote against him even if they do impeach

[redstateblues]

101. Something not right about that. She's a committed Democrat

But she won’t vote Democrat if Trump is not impeached. Something smells there

[kentuck]

35. Conversely, do we know of any Republicans that will vote for Trump if Democrats impeach?

That would not vote for him already?

[stopdiggin]

51. ABSOLUTELY! motivation of that base is a very real possibility

and quite possibly some fence sitters as well!

[Laffy Kat]

36. No, but I know several who will throw their vote away on a candidate who doesn't have a prayer. nt

[StarfishSaver]

37. But wouldn't they do that regardless whether the House impeaches?

[Iwasthere]

38. Sorry for your frustration in getting answers to your post

The answer is, NO and IMPEACH! Nothing to lose doing it and everything to gain

[StarfishSaver]

41. I'm not frustrated

It's just further evidence of how spurious that particular argument is.

There may be good reasons to impeach, but doing it because failure to do so will demoralize voters into not voting Trump out next November doesn't seem to be one of them.

[Grasswire2]

44. specious question nt

[cwydro]

50. Nailed it.

Yup.

[stopdiggin]

54. but relevant within the frame

of people still drumming up the argument that if the House DOESN'T vote articles .. they are going to LOSE votes because of that action/inaction. I think that's your "specious" argument. And StarFish is doing a service bringing it up because .. well look at DU posts today.

[TwilightZone]

79. Not really.

I've seen a few, rather vocal posters consistently insist that not impeaching Trump will lead to significant disillusionment about voting among Democrats. I personally find that a bit ridiculous, but in that context, the OP's question seems relevant.

[NotASurfer]

45. Every voter I know is angry the other way

If he's still in office and running, ie not impeached, convicted, tarred, feathered, and gleefully run out of the White House on a splinter-prone rail, they will vote Democratic across the board. Even if the candidate is literally a half bottle of flat, stale, warm Bud Lite, which would leave a better taste and be more competent and better-respected than what we have now.

[PufPuf23]

53. The Democratic party apparently cannot get me angry enough to not vote Democratic.

Have voted Democratic exclusively since aged into vote in 1971 but have identified as Democratic since the McCarthy days of 1968.

Seldom get my political druthers but that is how things are.

I am POed every day at the Democratic party and have been for years.

[KPN]

56. And this is a good case for not impeaching? Really? Quite a stretch there.

[StarfishSaver]

62. The stretch is yours, not mine, since I said nothing of the kind

[GeorgeGist]

57. You'll need more than Dems to win.

[Pacifist Patriot]

58. No.

And I firmly believe any theory that Democratic voters irate at a lack of a formal impeachment vote will sit out the election in protest is an opposition tactic.

I know a lot of Dems irate the impeachment process isn't happening at an accelerated clip. But they are all highly motivated to make sure Trump is not re-elected. They know that means GOTV for the Democratic candidate, whomever that may be.

It's absolutely silly to think Democratic voters would go this route. We can walk and chew gum at the same time. Scream for impeachment and cast a ballot for a Democrat.

[sheshe2]

64. No. Not one.

Conversations I have had with friends and family the subject of impeachment seldom comes up. What is discussed is getting the MF the hell out of office with a landslide vote. Then let the States go after him for his crimes.

Fact is the people I know are real lifelong Democrats. The Impeachment Inquiry is underway and the House Judiciary is doing it's job. It is up to us to do ours and that is vote. This isn't a game. This is about our lives and our future.

Vote blue no matter who.

[gristy]

65. How about this related and more relevant question:

Do you know any person who'll be so dismayed if Trump isn't impeached that they might not bother to vote next year?

My guess is it will be resounding yes for most of us.

[FoxNewsSucks]

67. That's what I was thinking as I read through this.

The question is incorrect. It's not "so angry", it should be "why bother".

We know republicons are criminal scum. We expect Democrats to do something about it. If election day arrives, and Democrats have done nothing to stop MF45 and his grifter family, it won't be anger that causes some to stay home, it will be the perceived indifference that will give the impression that it doesn't matter.

[StarfishSaver]

69. Not voting against Trump includes not voting at all

Do you know people who will be so upset if Trump isn't impeached that they won't vote next November? What is their rationale?

Do you think it makes any sense whatsoever for someone to claim Trump is so awful that failure of House Democrats to impeach him justifies the ultimate "revenge" (not sure against whom, but ...) in the form of not voting - but he's not awful to try to keep him from remaining in office for another four years by voting against him, which is the only thing they actually have within their power to do?

[gristy]

72. What I'm saying is that many folks, young folks in particular, will be so disillusioned

if no impeachment that they may just stay home and not vote. Not angry. Not upset. Just disillusioned.

[StarfishSaver]

73. Then they need to grow up and learn that politics isn't only about their illusions and dreams

Sometimes things don't go the way they want. That doesn't mean they should just check out and not participate. And if that's how they insist on approaching it, they shouldn't be surprised if no one takes them seriously as a voting bloc.

This may sound harsh, but, frankly, I'm tired of people whining about being "disillusioned" and "demoralized" and not feeling that politicians are "connecting" with them enough.

Good God - black voters (and other marginalized groups) have been disappointed and disillusioned for decades, but we didn't stomp and whine and refuse to vote just because things didn't go our way. Why do these people you're talking about think that's how they should engage in politics? Or should I say not engage unless they get everything they want when they want it?

If they're going to refuse to vote to take Trump out of office because the House didn't impeach him, I have no reason to trust them to vote to take him out of office if the House DOES impeach him. Because they're clueless and too self-involved to waste too much time on. Let them eventually figure it out on their own (or not figure it out, I don't care). There are too many responsible, sane young voters who understand the stakes, know it's not just about them, and are doing what they need to do to try to get this country back on track for me to waste time trying to cater to fools.

[betsuni]

89. "black voters (and other marginalized groups) have been disappointed and disillusioned for decades."

Was thinking this throughout the thread.

I hope the trend of politics as personal expression is petering out. Write poems about lost illusions, memoirs, express yourself through fashion and dietary restrictions. Leave politics out of it. We have a society here.

There seems to be a need for punishment that I don't understand. Not voting, voting third party, threatening not to vote as punishment. Impeachment as punishment. I just want Trump gone, and he will be. I'm used to waiting and disappointment. That's life. I now have the urge to read "Lost Illusions."

[StarfishSaver]

90. I love this post.

[betsuni]

94. I love your posts.

[StarfishSaver]

96. Thanks

Your point about "punishment" is really important. You're right that people are obsessed with punishing everyone - to the point that they are more concerned that Trump be "punished" through the stain of impeachment, even if he's not removed from office, than they are with actually removing him from office.

Why else would people keep berating Pelosi for not moving as fast as they want on impeachment (which is strictly a form of punishment that will do nothing to change Trump's behavior or get him out of office), while going out of their way to defend people who threaten to keep him in office by voting third party or not at all next year?

It's all about punishing him or "making a point" for them but they don't seem nearly as interested in actually removing the problem if they can then punish the Dems for not behaving the way they want by keeping him in office for a few more years. THAT will show them!

[JI7]

106. reminds me of those who say people voted for Trump because Obama didn't prosecute Bush

the people who voted for Bush and Trump are largely the same people . so we are to believe that the mostly white people that voted for Bush were angry at the black president for not prosecuting Bush so these same mostly white people that had voted for Bush just had to vote for Trump because the black president didn't prosecute the president THEY voted for.

[JI7]

107. young people vote for Democratic mostly. lets not hide behind concern of young people as an excuse

to support trump.

young people have always had low turnout . but when they do vote they have mostly been democratic in recent years.

[Hekate]

66. Actually, I don't. But as I found out my fully-adult kids are supporting Marianne and Bernie...

...they might actually be there already. Nothing I can do about that.

[Kurt V.]

75. not buying what you're selling. good grief.

[StarfishSaver]

77. I'm ot "selling" anything. But thanks for the kick!

[ALBliberal]

76. I do know some that won't vote unless Dems impeach!! NT

[StarfishSaver]

80. What's their rationale?

If they think Trump is so awful he must be impeached or else, why don't they think he's awful enough for them to try to vote
him out of office?

[ALBliberal]

82. They think trump is the most non-law abiding president

In their lifetime (much more so than Bush2 and Clinton (who they can’t believe was impeached))
They feel Dems are not living up to their constitutional duty. They will go independent if Trumps not impeached.

I will vote for our nominee.

Just saying not impeaching a big turn off for some and in a year where we must GOTV some will stay home.

[TwilightZone]

84. So, Trump is the biggest threat ever...

and the least law-abiding, so to deal with it, they'll stomp their feet and vote third-party to help ensure he gets another term.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. I wonder if they realize how utterly ridiculous that sounds.

[StarfishSaver]

86. They think Trump's the most non-law abiding president in history, but they're okay with him staying

another 4 years because they think the Democrats aren't living up to their constitutional duty?

You see that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, right?

[TwilightZone]

81. To be frank, that's just dumb.

Either Trump is an existential threat to the country or he isn't.

Newsflash to those voters: he is. The only sure way to get rid of him is to vote him out in 2020, and if people think that not pursuing an impeachment with no chance of removal is enough to ignore that threat, I doubt they were likely voters in the first place.

[ALBliberal]

83. They feel it's Dems constitutional duty to impeach.

I guess that’s dumb.

[StarfishSaver]

87. if they're willing to let Trump serve another 4 years because they think the Dems aren't doing their

jobs, yes, that's stupid AF.

and, FYI, the house Democrats aren't the only ones here with obligations. Voters also have responsibilities.

[JI7]

108. lol, there are no types. it's just all an excuse for wanting Trump in office

[struggle4progress]

85. "Things damn better go the way I like, or I'll shot myself in the knee!"

[StarfishSaver]

88. I wouldn't mind if they shot themselves in the knee. But unfortunately,

the rest of us also have to deal with the damage.

[NanceGreggs]

91. No.

I don't know any Dems who are that stupid.

[StarfishSaver]

92. I don't think anyone here does. But that doesn't stop them from claiming they're out there

And worse, that the House Democrats should adjust their strategy to please these imaginary or colossally stupid people.

[egduj]

93. Irrelevant - Impeachment is under way.

You've proclaimed it yourself several times.

And I can't wait!!!!

[uponit7771]

95. No, they wont be angry just demotivated to do anything else but vote knowing there is no election

... in 2020 cause Red Don said he was going to cheat and Moscow Mitch is making sure our electoral systems are wide open.

[LiberalLovinLug]

97. Perhaps a small percent. But its not about regular Democratic voters. Its about getting new voters

I think many that weren't interested in voting last time in that they couldn't vote for Trump, but the Democrats were uninspiring, are going to feel that nothing has changed. That while Republicans are arrogant greedy assholes, the Democrats are wimps who rarely if ever fight back.

And it won't help as the next election draws near, and both the Mueller report and then any impeachment talk is well behind him, Trump will ramp up the bragging how Mueller cleared him 100%, how Democrats just did it to rob him of two years, which he should get back, and they damn well would have impeached him if their was even a shred of evidence against him, so it proves him right, and how duplicitous the Democrats are.

I don't think that will fool repeat Democratic voters. But it will suppress some new D votes, as well as convincing borderline Republican voters, who may have had doubts about voting Trump again, that he was proven innocent and Democrats were obviously wasting tax payer money and time on politically motivated investigations.

[Nitram]

98. I will vote for the Democratic nominee. I think Trump should be impeached to uphold the Constitution

and set a precedent for any future president who tries to get away with repeatedly and blatantly violating the Emoluments Clause, lying to the public for political gain, obstructing a Justice Department investigation into his own obstruction of justice, making payoffs to keep his misbehavior out of the news (and influence an election), OR declaring national emergencies for political gain. The fact that Trump is guilty of ALL of these crimes means that if the House doesn't impeach him, any president will have been given free rein to do the same.

[tirebiter]

99. We get to shorten the process and bypass the Republicans

By voting him out of office. I find workarounds like democracy to be handy in the present environment. Better’n a workaround of democracy I’ve found.

[redstatebluegirl]

100. One, a supporter of one of our candidates who didn't vote last time because their candidate

was not the nominee. Now they are saying that person must be the nominee, or we must impeach Trump to get her vote.

[aikoaiko]

102. Disillusionment or not being inspired is a funny thing -- people don't talk about it.

We saw fewer people vote in 2016 than in 2012 by a little or 2008 by a lot.

[StarfishSaver]

103. I'm old enough to remember when being inspired was a nice-to-have, not a must-have

It was a bonus, not a requirement. My parents would have looked at me like I was crazy if I announced I wasn't voting for Carter or Mondale or Dukakis because they didn't "inspire" me.

[aikoaiko]

104. I'm with you. I've voted for uninspiring or uninspired Democrats all my life, too.

But there are a lot of folks (enough to turn a close election) who are not that committed.

[StarfishSaver]

105. Some people think it's only about them

[JI7]

109. they don't care for Sick kids being deported and at risk of dying

this "they are disillussioned" excuse is very selfish . but i'm sure they are the type who will feel very proud and good about themselves while all the shit is going on and will say "at least i voted my conscience" while enjoying their privileged first world life style.

[world wide wally]

110. What is the point of even having impeachment in the Constitution?

If Trump doesn't qualify for Impeachment, NOBODY ever will.
Why don't we just come out and say, "a President is above the law. Let's change the title to King"

[StarfishSaver]

111. What does that have to do with my OP?