OHIO MOTHER ACCIDENTALLY SHOOTS DAUGHTER AFTER SHE CAME HOME FROM COLLEGE TO SURPRISE HER

[True Dough]

It's not mental illness here, ReThugs! Although this poor mother, who made a terrible panic-striken decision, will probably suffer from mental issues for the rest of her life now...

A woman shot her 18-year-old daughter in her home after she came back from college to surprise her, according to reports. The daughter is recovering after she was shot in the arm in Girard, Ohio, on the evening of August 30.

Police said the mother was alone in the bedroom when she heard noises from inside the house. The mother became startled as she was not expecting anyone to come over. The mother said she then saw someone running into the bedroom, at which point she fired her .38 special handgun, hitting her daughter once.

Police say they were called at around 9 p.m. to the 200 block of Ohio Avenue by the victim's boyfriend. A transcript of the 911 call made by the boyfriend, obtained by WFMJ, has him describing the 18-year-old's injuries to the dispatcher.

"My girlfriend just came home from college and her mom didn't know, like honestly—she accidentally shot her and we don't know what to do," he said. "It's pretty bad."

https://www.newsweek.com/ohio-mother-shoots-daughter-surprise-college-1457589

[malaise]

1. No gun - no shooting of daughter

These people are mad

[Bob Loblaw]

40. Future conversation between mother and daughter

Mom: How come you never visit?

Daughter: Because you fuckin' shot me the last time.

[Joe941]

65. Idiots and guns.

[BlueMississippi]

72. A person who owns a gun

is 13 times more likely to have that gun used against him/her or his/her family.

In the case of a robbery or a holdup, a person who has a gun is 8 times more likely to get shot than an unarmed victim.

[11 Bravo]

75. No! The daughter should have been packing!

She could have busted a cap in the old lady, and the NRA would have put her in a fund raiser ad.

A good girl with a gun.

[klook]

2. So glad it wasn't a fatal shot. Pure dumb luck.

Hope the daughter will be ok, and that they will both have long and productive lives. Thanks

[hlthe2b]

3. Norman offered tips on what to do to avoid such an accident:

"If you realize someone has a gun for protection, and they're not expecting you—announce yourself when you enter the home, or even if you're getting up to get a drink of water in the middle of the night, just announce yourself," he told WFMJ.

So, now we are supposed to announce ourselves in the middle of the night just to go to the bathroom for fear that some trigger-happy fear-obsessed gun owner who happens to be in the house might not shoot us?

[Pendrench]

5. Hi hlthe2b - that was the same thing that jumped out at me when I read this.

Unbelievable...

[Tracer]

12. Oscar Pistorius's girlfriend missed out on that tip.

NT

[Scarsdale]

18. Only in America, right?

Land of the free, home of the gun humpers.

[emmaverybo]

66. Please. He meant to kill her.

[Tracer]

71. That was sarcasm.

Sorry I didn't make it clear for you. I know he meant it.

[emmaverybo]

73. Ok sorry I jumped. Followed the case and it burned me that some folks actually swallowed

that gun-nut’s story.

[jayschool2013]

21. So, victim blaming, right?

It's always the other person's fault in Republican World.

[Crunchy Frog]

54. How is it victim blaming?

Presumably the daughter knew the mom's gun situation. It would seem to be simple common sense.

[jayschool2013]

61. Good point

I stand corrected. Well, I sit corrected, to be exact.

[Crunchy Frog]

62. Thanks.

Normally I expect to get ripped to shreds when I make a post disagreeing with someone. But then sometimes I think my tone gets a little snarky.

It's nice to actually have a civil exchange here.

[jayschool2013]

68. I don't pick fights with frogs

Or any other amphibians for that matter.

[tirebiter]

70. So Mom fired without knowing who/what she was firing at

No excuses. None whatsoever.

[cstanleytech]

24. From a pure stance of good manners announcing yourself if you do not live there should

always be done.

[hlthe2b]

30. In the middle of the night when you get up to go to the bathroom/get water?

[tblue37]

41. That would wake everyone up. Most people do NOT want to be awakened every time

someone else in the house wakes up in the middle of the night.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

78. new for Christmas: kevlar pajamas!

Glad I'm a hermit. The whole country has become a looney bin.

[LanternWaste]

64. 'From a pure stance of good manners', so is not shooting one's daughter.

[TheBlackAdder]

28. "Mom, I'm going to take a shit! Don't shoot!" or "Mommy, I had a bad dream, don't shoot me."

[DBoon]

42. So if your dog gets up in the middle of the night

you have a dead dog?

[The_jackalope]

50. Here's a tip on how to avoid such an accident:

Don't keep a fucking gun in the house.

You're welcome.

[AJT]

4. I will say, I would have been afraid too. I would have called the police and tried to hide.

Luckily I don't own a gun. We've had a number of break-ins while people are in the home sleeping.

[cstanleytech]

26. You don't necessarily need to hide as if you install a solid wood door and reinforce the frame plus

install a good quality door security bar properly you can remain in your bedroom while waiting for the police.

[AJT]

48. Great idea, like a bit of a safe room.

[cstanleytech]

56. Essentially. Its not perfect though as someone can given time still gain access via a window

or even through the walls as most modern homes interior walls are only sheet rock but for the most part it should hold them off long enough for the police to arrive.

[bdamomma]

6. living in fear

is a disease that is permeating society. So sad, instead of de-escalating they are escalating and making people live in fear.

Wayne LaPierre and the NRA are to fault on this.

[TheBlackAdder]

31. The EFF called out those RING cameras, because they send constant alerts to put people in fear.

.

This is to get people living in a state of fear and promote the cameras to others, which are used by the police to evesdrop on the neighborhood and homeowners without notice.

.

[groundloop]

36. which are used by the police to eavesdrop...... I haven't heard that one... got a reference?

[DBoon]

43. here you go

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/police-can-get-your-ring-doorbell-footage-without-a-warrant-report-says/

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/08/five-concerns-about-amazon-rings-deals-police

Police departments used to have these things called "Red Squads". Imagine if police had access to everyone who visited you from your neighbor's Ring?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Squad

[Doodley]

7. Easy mistake to make, when you are paranoid and have a gun.

[Ohiogal]

8. When I am home alone,

I lock my doors. But OK maybe the daughter had a key.

[Cracklin Charlie]

9. Someone best warn the young soldiers.

They love to surprise their family when the get a trip home.

My mother in law had three military sons. It was a regular occurrence.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

10. Yes! This is EXACTLY how guns make us safer, right?

I mean, I bet that daughter will never again think of surprising her mother like that.

I suppose there's almost no chance that mom will decide to get rid of the gun.

[Initech]

11. And you can't tell me there's a difference in not having a gun...

And not using it to shoot someone. Fuck guns.

[Boxerfan]

13. My brother almost got shot by my Grandmother.

We were visiting her in Houston Texas. I was about 10 & my brother 15. He snuck out after dark as kids do. Coming back in he had to climb a railing into his window. He made enough noise to wake Grandma who came out-snub nose .38 in hand & I have no idea why she didn't shoot but lucky she didn't.

Typical scenario not uncommon I'd wager.

[patricia92243]

14. Keep bedroom door locked. Then if you hear strange noises, call police.

[Coventina]

15. Not an accident!!! She ON PURPOSE shot her daughter, but mistaken identity.

Call it what it is!!!!

Paranoid people with guns!!!!

[avebury]

16. Well that will teach the daughter to never make a surprise

visit home again.

The daughter is lucky Mom only fired the gun once.

I feel sorry for the daughter but not the mother. Gun owners have a responsibility to know what they are shooting at. I hope that the mother does face criminal charges. Gun ownership comes with responsibility and we should be fed up with the "oh what a tragic accident" excuse that is far to frequently handed out.

[LisaM]

47. In general terms, I agree with you - however, the article didn't say why the mother kept a gun.

It sounded as if she lived alone, and of course someone was coming into her bedroom (not just the house), but what I don't know is if the woman had any proximate cause to carry a gun - boyfriend with a restraining order, had been assaulted in her own home before, etc.

I am not defending grabbing a gun and shooting, or even necessarily having a gun at all (I've never even touched one), but the article was a little light on background information and there could actually have been a reason the mother did have a gun. She also might just be a gun nut. I'm not going to judge without actually knowing fuller circumstances, and I'm just glad nothing more serious happened.

[DavidDvorkin]

17. The only person who can stop a good daughter without a gun is ...

[SCVDem]

19. Another NRA fail!

Remember when the NRA was interested in gun safety?

One of the first things you are taught is to identify the target. Shadows and movement are not targets.

Guns have fundamentally changed America, and not for the better.

Metal detectors, clear handbags and backpacks and a military police force using military equipment, all because of the misuse of the second amendment.

Where is the militia?

[bdamomma]

57. your last question

"where's the militia" is supposed to be our National Guard, a well organized militia. Just commenting.

[robbob]

20. Although this story is horrible in so many levels,

I have question the daughters decision to run into her Moms bedroom if she KNEW her Mom had a gun for self defense? I guessing her intent was to barge in, jump on the bed and yell “surprise!!!”? Thus scaring the shit out of her Mom and also giving her a lovely surprise? Not the brightest idea if you know Mom is packing heat...

[The Liberal Lion]

29. This was my first thought too

[FakeNoose]

37. You're assuming the daughter knew her Mom had the gun

What if she didn't know? What if Mom just bought the gun last week when her daughter left for college?

[robbob]

44. You're correct,

I wasn’t assuming but perhaps I could have written it more clearly, as in “IF she knew...”

[JohnnyRingo]

49. It's never a good idea to show up unexpected at night.

Not at anyone's house. It's also kind of rude. I know the student lived there when not at school, but announce yourself when coming home unexpectedly. That seems like common sense and courtesy to me.

She could have given mom a heart attack, or worse, mom could have called 911 about an intruder and the police could have killed her. A lot of bad things could have happened.

Having said that, there's a responsibility about firearms that says to not touch that trigger until you're absolutely certain about your target. That rule was broken here.

[Javaman]

22. "she accidentally shot her" that's not an accident...

she purposely pulled that gun out and shot.

[old guy]

59. You are absolutely 100% correct.

Thank you for the truth.

[Liberal In Texas]

23. Good thing she was a bad shot.

It'll be bad enough. Her daughter may have some permanent damage to her arm even though it sounds like she's already been released.

[hunter]

25. It's time to take mom's guns.

She's clearly a danger to herself and others.

It would have been best done BEFORE she shot someone.

[The Liberal Lion]

27. tragic

Thank goodness the young lady was not killed.

[get the red out]

32. I wonder if

People who are part of the gun culture worry what people might think of them if they DON'T shoot an intruder in the house?

[geretogo]

33. Fear sells guns . Maybe Wayne Littlepeter can sell her an AK47 for the next encounter .

[yaesu]

34. When you bring a firearm into a home the chances of suicide increases by 300% & the chances of

accidental death increases by over 400%.

[aeromanKC]

35. Alex, I'll take what will never happen at my house for $2,000 please.

Like the first poster said, No gun, no daughter shot.

[Maggiemayhem]

38. This happens all the time

People shoot family members thinking they are intruders. Teenagers are especially vulnerable as they try to sneak back in the house.

[yonder]

39. I'm glad that family will likely come out of this okay.

This time, unlike thousands of other similar situations.

[struggle4progress]

45. Cocaine Blues

[Stonepounder]

46. Back about 40 years ago I woke up in the middle of the night

and heard someone moving around in the next room. My wife was asleep next to me so it had to be an intruder. I was terrified and then the intruder came into our bedroom. If I had a gun I would have shot.

Turns out my wife was NOT in bed next to me. She had gotten up to do something (don't even remember what) and she was the 'intruder'.

Thank God I didn't have a gun handy!

[TeamPooka]

51. She had the gun for safety but apparently didn't need it

She had the gun for safety but apparently didn’t need it until she shot her daughter

[Crunchy Frog]

52. No sympathy.

This is the lifestyle these people have chosen for themselves. I'm glad no one else was harmed.

[HAB911]

55. What a shame the daughter didn't have her own AR15

[sarcasm]

[True Dough]

58. I'm a bad person

because I laughed at that comment. It's preposterous, but so is the world we live in at times.

[HAB911]

60. Ain't it the truth

[Ilsa]

74. Don't beat yourself up unless

you're going to thrash me as well. I laughed. I'm still laughing, but it's that kind of thing that makes me a bit uncomfortable.

[Poiuyt]

63. I came home from college to surprise my parents on the night of the TV premier of

In Cold Blood.

Luckily, they didn't wake up. And they weren't gun nuts.

[mercuryblues]

67. She didn't accidentally shoot her daughter

She shot exactly who she was aiming for. This time it was her daughter. Maybe next time she cat get the family cat.

[emmaverybo]

69. Until we know more, it is premature to call the mother paranoid or a gun-nut. I do think this

incident points out the need for every gun owner to go through safety training. My daughter tried to convince my mother to have a hand-gun in the house for self-protection. Mom went through instruction in use and safety. She decided against it. I arranged a rescue dog adoption for her.

The police say one should have layers of protection and that deterrence works. For instance, security lights set off by motion, good locks, a dog (not to fight an intruder) but to alarm, alarm systems, and a place to call police from, like a locked room.

They also point out that even when a civilian has instruction and practice, actual shooting conditions (darkness, the angle from which you have to shoot, innocents in the way, panic) can lead to accidents and/or render the gun useless. Civilians simply do not get practice in all the conditions they might be shooting in. Even police and military make mistakes—not counting intentional shootings.

There are many reasons people might need and want a hand-gun or rifle without their wanting arsenals or assault weapons, being unduly paranoid or nuts.

Focusing on sound regulation and licensing requirements for owners such as safety instruction, background checks, passing tests seems like a better bet to make America safer than calling out all gun owners.

[NoMoreRepugs]

76. I'm thinking not only are alcohol and guns a bad combination- but

people and guns aren't a whole lot better.

[ecstatic]

77. Unbelievable. If anyone else has access to your home,

hell, even if you live alone, you should not be using a gun as Plan A. Your goal should be prevention, because even if you have a gun, do you really want to have to kill someone in your own home??

There's a simpler approach. Lock your doors, turn on some exterior lights, use the lock feature of your garage (which disables remote access), and turn the alarm on. If other people come and go, make sure they know the access code, and set the alarm to have a grace period if they're not home. Homeowners can get stylish storm doors and windows. Renters can buy the door guard devices. It's that simple for most people who don't have violent enemies.