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School lockdown drill (active shooter) (Original Post) SHRED Sep 2019 OP
PTSD. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2019 #2
Here's the kicker SHRED Sep 2019 #3
So the school is basically a fortress. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #4
Yup SHRED Sep 2019 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2019 #39
And in the case of these shooters, guillaumeb Sep 2019 #46
Demand that the Principal be fired for terrorizing children lunatica Sep 2019 #5
That's how I feel too SHRED Sep 2019 #6
I remember hiding under my desk to protect me from Russian nukes in the late 50's ... IggleDuer Sep 2019 #7
Thing was, tho....they did not have weekly news and video of nukes dropping on schools dixiegrrrrl Sep 2019 #24
Thank you SHRED Sep 2019 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2019 #40
I was certainly very aware of the risk of nuclear war Ms. Toad Sep 2019 #41
You then believe hiding from a shooter is ineffective? LanternWaste Sep 2019 #45
we have one next week demtenjeep Sep 2019 #9
It's how they conduct them SHRED Sep 2019 #10
I live through them 3-4 times a year for the last 20WATCH THIS demtenjeep Sep 2019 #13
Are you listening to me? SHRED Sep 2019 #16
yes I hear you . ALL drills are "surprise" demtenjeep Sep 2019 #19
Goodbye SHRED Sep 2019 #21
Who's "We"? SHRED Sep 2019 #12
K-12 demtenjeep Sep 2019 #14
by the way, I believe this girl survived Parkland demtenjeep Sep 2019 #17
sorry you feel that way. I want ALL of my students to live BUT I also want to live demtenjeep Sep 2019 #25
Disgusting and deplorable. ecstatic Sep 2019 #11
FFS! Even when we have fire drills at work, we get a warning! smirkymonkey Sep 2019 #15
Retreat this to Moms Demand Action xmas74 Sep 2019 #18
I don't know who that is SHRED Sep 2019 #20
Shannon Watts is the founder of Moms Demand Action. xmas74 Sep 2019 #22
Thanks SHRED Sep 2019 #23
Done SHRED Sep 2019 #27
She's good people. xmas74 Sep 2019 #28
Yes...now it is...lol SHRED Sep 2019 #29
I think Moms has a local there. xmas74 Sep 2019 #31
Thank you for that link SHRED Sep 2019 #33
Good xmas74 Sep 2019 #37
Autocorrect messed up your subject line. nt tblue37 Sep 2019 #43
just let them know. barbtries Sep 2019 #30
This is why SHRED Sep 2019 #32
i don't blame you. barbtries Sep 2019 #36
Poor kid MustLoveBeagles Sep 2019 #34
exactly. barbtries Sep 2019 #35
It's not the drills I'm against, just the way they're doing it MustLoveBeagles Sep 2019 #38
There are two reasons for the drills - Ms. Toad Sep 2019 #42
In our family's case SHRED Sep 2019 #44

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. PTSD.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:05 PM
Sep 2019

And that should be the focus. All of these drills are only necessary because the NRA, and Putin, run the GOP.

I can easily see these children suffering from psychological trauma because the NRA/GOP suggests that schools be repurposed as armed prisons.

Response to guillaumeb (Reply #1)

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
3. Here's the kicker
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:09 PM
Sep 2019

The school is completely fenced off with a volunteer parent at each classroom door.

Even with this they still dump the paranoia on to the children.

Response to guillaumeb (Reply #4)

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
5. Demand that the Principal be fired for terrorizing children
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:12 PM
Sep 2019

There is absolutely no need to have those drills happen spontaneously in order for the children to learn what to do. Absolutely none. They will be better prepared if they learn what to do by knowing it’s OK.

God! This pisses me off big time! Why are they terrorizing children?! This going to cause PTSD which will only damage them.

IggleDuer

(964 posts)
7. I remember hiding under my desk to protect me from Russian nukes in the late 50's ...
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:17 PM
Sep 2019

... I’m sure that today’s drills would be equally effective.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
24. Thing was, tho....they did not have weekly news and video of nukes dropping on schools
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:45 PM
Sep 2019


We can say yeah, no big deal for the nuke drills, now, but we were being prepared for a rare event, at a time when even smart people did not understand much or hear much about nuke bombs.

Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #24)

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
41. I was certainly very aware of the risk of nuclear war
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:20 PM
Sep 2019

as someone who was pre-teen in that era. I was aware of preparing our root cellar as a place to stay in the event nuclear war happened, of my parents purchasing food that they could safely store in the cellar in case we needed to stay there for a while. I was also aware that we were a fraction of a degree off from a SAC base (which would likely be an early hit) - and that if the aim was off we might be a direct hit.

Even at that age, I had seen images from Hiroshima and Nagasaki - and knew the capabilities of nuclear bombs.

You may not have been aware, understood much, or have heard much - but I was - and I did.

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
9. we have one next week
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:21 PM
Sep 2019

it really could save lives.


See March For Our LIves active shooter drill from a child's perspective =one who survived a real shooting

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
10. It's how they conduct them
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:23 PM
Sep 2019

Understand?

There is a way to not terrorize the children.
At least minimize it.

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
13. I live through them 3-4 times a year for the last 20WATCH THIS
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:28 PM
Sep 2019

started with Columbine.


So did my kids-one of which is also now a teacher.

If even one life is saved-it is worth it.

The 2nd day of school we have a run-hide-fight video that is required and then we discuss our specific classrooms with our specific students.


it sucks, but it is necessary.


 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
19. yes I hear you . ALL drills are "surprise"
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:33 PM
Sep 2019

if kids knew it wasn't real, they wouldn't take it seriously thus in the event it WAS real they wouldn't know what to do.



My kids do NOT know (I am on crisis team) when the drills are-but they do know what to do.



 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
17. by the way, I believe this girl survived Parkland
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:32 PM
Sep 2019

WATCH the video with your child and explain it

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
25. sorry you feel that way. I want ALL of my students to live BUT I also want to live
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:50 PM
Sep 2019

thus the need for drills

ecstatic

(32,685 posts)
11. Disgusting and deplorable.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:24 PM
Sep 2019

How do we get republicans to put their racism aside for an election or two so this country can get back on track? Why can't they see that this isn't sustainable?

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
15. FFS! Even when we have fire drills at work, we get a warning!
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:31 PM
Sep 2019

The least they could do is give the kids a head's up so they don't panic unnecessarily. That's just cruel.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
22. Shannon Watts is the founder of Moms Demand Action.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:42 PM
Sep 2019

She has a very visible Twitter presence.

Btw-did you know there is now a Grandparents Demand Action? You might check your local Moms Demand Action for details. They're working on either a Hunters or Gun Owners Demand Action group too.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
28. She's good people.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:54 PM
Sep 2019

You might get several suggestions.

Is the city/state on your profile on DU correct?

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
31. I think Moms has a local there.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 09:00 PM
Sep 2019
https://momsdemandaction.org/about/chapters/

Contact your local or just show up. Express your concerns. You can get so much more done in a group.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
37. Good
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 09:13 PM
Sep 2019

I'm a proud member here in Missouri. We took on our lawmakers last session over a bill that would allow guns on all college campuses. We were there every day of the hearing, made phone calls,showed up at outside events where the politicians were,etc. We defeated that bill.

Btw-don't need to be a mom to join. Some of our strongest members are grandparents,teachers, aunts/uncles,etc.

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
30. just let them know.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:58 PM
Sep 2019

our kids go to learn and should not be going through. At my granddaughter's school (5th grade, maybe even 6th), some genius decided that the children would not be told it was a drill. One of her classmates peed his pants. I doubt he'll ever get over it.

motherfuckers.

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
36. i don't blame you.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 09:11 PM
Sep 2019

it gets so normalized people forget to THINK. seriously it doesn't have to be this way!

MustLoveBeagles

(11,591 posts)
34. Poor kid
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 09:09 PM
Sep 2019


Aside from the trauma from the drill, that boy will probably get bullied for his reaction to it. So unnecessary.

MustLoveBeagles

(11,591 posts)
38. It's not the drills I'm against, just the way they're doing it
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 09:20 PM
Sep 2019

I don't understand the thinking that springing it on them helps them learn. How can they learn when they're being scared shitless and without any guidance?

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
42. There are two reasons for the drills -
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:31 PM
Sep 2019

To teach children what to do - AND - to ensure that the plan they have can be carried out in the time they would be expected to have to do so. The former can be done with a warning - the latter cannot. Whether the spaces are adequate, the children understand the directions well enough to carry them out when they are nervous, whether people can assume whatver position they need to be in without advance warning, etc. can only be tested when the drill comes without warning.

I've been in education most of my life - and drills (of all sorts) are rarely announced. At most, we are warned there will be a (fire, tornado, active shooter) drill during the coming week.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
44. In our family's case
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 10:29 AM
Sep 2019

The elementary school is secure.
An unclimbable fence around the entire school plus a parent volunteer outside every classroom door.



Active shooter drills are scaring kids and may not protect them.

Some schools are taking a new approach.
From calling them "buddy room drills" to making school psychologists available during the exercises, schools are trying to protect students — physically and mentally.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna992941?__twitter_impression=true

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