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Demovictory9

(32,448 posts)
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 11:52 PM Sep 2019

Air Force just threw Donald Trump under the bus

https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/air-force-just-threw-donald-trump-under-the-bus/20674/

Mike Pence’s decision to stay at a Trump resort on the taxpayer dime has set off a chain of events, making it possible for the media to expose that the Air Force has been pumping money into a Trump-owned property as well. Now things have escalated, prompting the Air Force to throw Trump under the bus.


Earlier this weekend it was reported that Air Force crew members stopped at Donald Trump’s Turnberry property in Scotland for what couldn’t possibly have been above-board reasons. This led the House Oversight Committee to immediately launch an investigation into why the U.S. military was improperly lining Trump’s pockets.

In response, the Air Force has confirmed to Politico that seven Air Force crew members did indeed stay at Turnberry in March of this year. It’s not difficult to figure out why the Air Force is throwing Trump under the bus so quickly. Whatever he did as Commander-in-Chief to coerce Air Force personnel into spending money at his resort, he’s sullied the reputation of the United States military in the process.

Donald Trump will no doubt attempt to interfere with any Air Force effort to formally cooperate with the House Oversight Committee probe. But by publicly confirming that the incident did indeed happen, the Air Force is signaling to Congress that it’s eager to provide information about this Trump scandal by any unofficial means possible.
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Air Force just threw Donald Trump under the bus (Original Post) Demovictory9 Sep 2019 OP
I hope they really do throw him under the bus. lunatica Sep 2019 #1
And I hope they really are eager to do it! dchill Sep 2019 #2
Oh yes. warmfeet Sep 2019 #37
C'mon, now... Grokenstein Sep 2019 #39
And I hope they back up the bus and run it over oswaldactedalone Sep 2019 #3
Run over him... SergeStorms Sep 2019 #13
Double Tap ut oh Sep 2019 #30
Yes, indeed. Dump his a&& and then let justice take over in 2020 when democrats finally... SWBTATTReg Sep 2019 #28
Easy to back track who signed off on these illegle expenses captain queeg Sep 2019 #4
yep. triron Sep 2019 #5
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2019 #17
This is the Palmer Report so go slow with it Brother Buzz Sep 2019 #6
Very true. GP6971 Sep 2019 #7
I'd rather they threw him out of an F-16 from the stratosphere. nt littlemissmartypants Sep 2019 #8
I'd settle for launching him on a Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System off an aircraft carrier Brother Buzz Sep 2019 #9
Isn't that the system Ensign Bonespurs has decreed be reengineered back to steam powered ? Pluvious Sep 2019 #24
Yes, and that's why it would be a nice dish of poetic justice Brother Buzz Sep 2019 #25
My first thought at these stories someone squealed to Congress this story will grow. gordianot Sep 2019 #10
Air crew tweeted to family/friends that they couldn't afford expenses at 45's hotel ... eppur_se_muova Sep 2019 #14
Air Force One should throw him under the plane milestogo Sep 2019 #11
In its response a Brigadier General called the crew's actions "normal" EveHammond13 Sep 2019 #12
How many stops SCVDem Sep 2019 #15
Sounds pretty ongoing, if not 'regular' 70sEraVet Sep 2019 #40
That's pretty much daily. n/t eggplant Sep 2019 #41
They were for him... czarjak Sep 2019 #16
K&R, all the cameras watching these 7 airmen will all go out all at the same time in the near future uponit7771 Sep 2019 #18
Astounding. MarkmBha1 Sep 2019 #19
Wondering if they airmen had to pay the difference in hotel rate lanlady Sep 2019 #20
It doesn't work that way hack89 Sep 2019 #23
A GSA rate is set for lodging and per diem. avebury Sep 2019 #31
It's "his" military...he can do what he wants... kentuck Sep 2019 #21
I don't agree with Palmer Report's conclusion-- lanlady Sep 2019 #22
No, it didn't. It just issued a statement to the effect The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2019 #26
Some christofascist in the ranks of the USAF will fall on their sword for Dear Leader Sharpie Thomas Hurt Sep 2019 #27
Air Force personnel get a fixed per diem..... Mustellus Sep 2019 #29
I just looked it up on one of the travel sites and the cheapest rate is $254 a night. Vinca Sep 2019 #32
No they didn't throw him under the bus. They admitted it happened and odds are Autumn Sep 2019 #33
Too bad otters don't have the guts to do that. BigmanPigman Sep 2019 #34
What bus? I didn't see a bus. trof Sep 2019 #35
The big blue bus is coming for him November 2020 IronLionZion Sep 2019 #36
K&R real Cannabis calm Sep 2019 #38

SWBTATTReg

(22,112 posts)
28. Yes, indeed. Dump his a&& and then let justice take over in 2020 when democrats finally...
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 04:47 PM
Sep 2019

gain control of government, and see that justice is served, per Mueller's report (he would have charged rump w/ crime(s) if he were not the president).

captain queeg

(10,165 posts)
4. Easy to back track who signed off on these illegle expenses
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 12:33 AM
Sep 2019

Some officers name will be on it. Then hold them accountable till they say who directed them to do so.

Brother Buzz

(36,415 posts)
6. This is the Palmer Report so go slow with it
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 12:36 AM
Sep 2019

He's got his facts correct, but his analysis and conclusions are often half a bubble off.

Pluvious

(4,308 posts)
24. Isn't that the system Ensign Bonespurs has decreed be reengineered back to steam powered ?
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 01:08 PM
Sep 2019

I can't make this stuff up

Brother Buzz

(36,415 posts)
25. Yes, and that's why it would be a nice dish of poetic justice
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 01:16 PM
Sep 2019

But at the end of the day, I'd be fine if either system launched him

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
10. My first thought at these stories someone squealed to Congress this story will grow.
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 01:00 AM
Sep 2019

Give it time the cards are in play and we have not seen them all. It is still early in the news cycle. The massacre if it is coming will be broadcast on Twitter.

eppur_se_muova

(36,258 posts)
14. Air crew tweeted to family/friends that they couldn't afford expenses at 45's hotel ...
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 01:50 AM
Sep 2019

... because of their limited allotment of travel funds.

So yeah, word gets out, usually from the lowest ranks involved.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
15. How many stops
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 02:25 AM
Sep 2019

are we talking about? Just the one time?

The story was that this was a regular ongoing thing.

Did I misunderstand?

70sEraVet

(3,493 posts)
40. Sounds pretty ongoing, if not 'regular'
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 10:05 PM
Sep 2019

Don't know yet how many times troops stayed at the Scottish Golf resort, but "The US military has stopped at Prestwick Airport 629 times since October 2017" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7438631/Military-spent-11m-refueling-airport-near-Trumps-golf-resort-troops-stayed-overnight.html
Sounds pretty ongoing, if not 'regular'.

MarkmBha1

(31 posts)
19. Astounding.
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 05:24 AM
Sep 2019

Astounding corruption infiltrates all aspects of government.
It is time for a new political system.

lanlady

(7,134 posts)
20. Wondering if they airmen had to pay the difference in hotel rate
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 07:39 AM
Sep 2019

Maximum hotel reimbursement rate for official USG travel in the Glasgow area is $160/night. Assuming that a night's stay at the Trump property is at least $300, that's $140 that each airman would be out of pocket. No wonder someone squealed to Congress! Dear Leader just picked their pockets.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
23. It doesn't work that way
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 08:46 AM
Sep 2019

There is what they call the 300% rule that covers situations where per diet doesn’t cover the room rate. The military member is not expected to cover the difference if they are not given a choice.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
31. A GSA rate is set for lodging and per diem.
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 05:06 PM
Sep 2019

If you exceed that, you are supposed to be responsible for the difference. I work for a state agency and we have to follow the GSA rates. If you attend a conference you can stay at a designated hotel at no extra cost. There is no way this Scotland stop should qualify for any exception to the GSA rates. This should also apply to Pence's trip and all the SS costs when they go to a Trump property.

kentuck

(111,078 posts)
21. It's "his" military...he can do what he wants...
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 07:43 AM
Sep 2019

Just ask him.

They should summon these military leaders up to Capitol Hill immediately and get the facts. Everything he touches dies....or is corrupted. Now it appears it is the US military.

lanlady

(7,134 posts)
22. I don't agree with Palmer Report's conclusion--
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 07:45 AM
Sep 2019

--that USAF threw Trump under the bus. DOD will find plenty of Trump flunkies to spin, obfuscate, obstruct, and cover up. The seven airmen will be pressured into keeping their mouths shut or else... career-ending consequences will ensue.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,669 posts)
26. No, it didn't. It just issued a statement to the effect
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 01:21 PM
Sep 2019

that the stopover was within acceptable parameters (just heard on MSNBC). The Palmer Report is a liberal version of Breitbart and is not a reliable news source.

Here's the statement: https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/military/2019/09/08/air-force-disputes-report-that-trumps-scottish-resort-was-favored-as-overnight-stop-for-alaska-based-crew/

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
27. Some christofascist in the ranks of the USAF will fall on their sword for Dear Leader Sharpie
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 01:42 PM
Sep 2019

It will be: "I ordered them to do it, no one at the WH knew anything about it."

Mustellus

(328 posts)
29. Air Force personnel get a fixed per diem.....
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 04:56 PM
Sep 2019

.. according to country and area. Trump's bedbugs would charge a huge amount more. The service member is expected to swallow the difference, as an incentive to not spend more of Uncle Sam's money than necessary.

The contracting officers might hide the fuel costs at the airport, but a few extra hundreds or a thousand out of the pocket of some Lt or E5 is gonna hurt a lot.

Someone blew the whistle to Polico to reveal what was going on. Betcha it was someone who cant spend like a billionaire.

Vinca

(50,261 posts)
32. I just looked it up on one of the travel sites and the cheapest rate is $254 a night.
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 05:17 PM
Sep 2019

That may be an off season rate - I'm not up on prime golfing times in Scotland.

Autumn

(45,052 posts)
33. No they didn't throw him under the bus. They admitted it happened and odds are
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 05:22 PM
Sep 2019

it will happen again and no one will complain. Tight on time. Air Force says nothing unusual.

The crew of a US Air Force C-17 stayed at President Donald Trump's golf resort in Turnberry, Scotland, during a March refueling stop en route to Kuwait, the Air Force acknowledged, again raising ethics questions about government use of the President's private entities.

As our air crews serve on these international airlift missions, they follow strict guidelines on contracting for hotel accommodations and all expenditures of taxpayer dollars," Air Force Brig. Gen. Ed Thomas said in a statement. "In this case, they made reservations through the Defense Travel System and used the closest available and least expensive accommodations to the airfield within the crews' allowable hotel rates. While we are still reviewing the trip records, we have found nothing that falls outside the guidelines associated with selecting stopover airports on travel routes and hotel accommodations for crew rest."

The Air Force said the crew on the March 13 consisted of seven active duty and National Guard crew members, adding that although they stayed at Turnberry en route to Kuwait, "it doesn't appear" they did so on the trip back to the US.
The Air Force said the Turnberry resort was less expensive than a nearby Marriott and that both were under the per diem rate of $166. The Air Force also said it schedules stopovers based on such factors as leg distance and contract fuel availability.

Crews use a commercial airport -- Prestwick in Glasgow -- when they stop for refueling in Scotland.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/08/politics/air-force-donald-trump-turnberry/index.html




They stay there all the time, I'm sure

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