Morning Joe has its own agenda and it's not the Democratic Party's agenda

[Desert Dem]

Joe, his enabler and now wife Mika and most of his guest have an agenda to stop liberals. Mika’s father was no liberal and she is a DC rich kid. Joe is a stone cold Republican conservative no matter what party he claims.

His show is opium for brain dead “moderates”. The world is warming. The Amazon and Siberia are on fire, and Twittler is in the Whitehouse. Oh, and to Claire McCaskill: “Hillary lost in 2016”, really! Really! F. U.!

Russia won you twit. Go back to MO and try to figure out why YOU lost your Senate seat and leave real Democrats alone so we can get on with trying to keep the planet and our country from disintegrating!

Srew you Morning Joe, Mika, Chuck Todd, and the rest of you wolves in sheep’s clothing. Join Imus at his NM ranch and while you’re there, find out how close he was to Epstein.

[brooklynite]

1. Your continued viewership is appreciated...

[ooky]

7. Undersigned...

Flo, Jamie, and the Progressive Insurance team.

[TwilightZone]

13. Yeah, I don't get that.

I'm never really understood why anyone on the left would pay attention to the guy.

In Congress, he was a "New Federalist". We shouldn't be taking anything he says seriously. Just because he's occasionally anti-Trump doesn't mean his opinions on anything else are worthy.

[dalton99a]

2. Never Trumpers will not vote for a Democrat.

[True Blue American]

4. Just had a phone call

Telling me how McCaskill was taking down Joe. Mika texted, said she was with Claire. Donny agreed.

I was busy getting a new 10 ft. iPAD cord.

[radical noodle]

71. Wrong

Some voted for Hillary in 2016 and there are way more never trumpers now who will vote for the Democrat.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. Then don't watch.

[Raster]

9. fine measured response.

[Sherman A1]

18. Precisely

I don’t get why folks waste time on the Breathless 24/7 Breaking News Infotainment media.

There agenda is to fill airtime between ads for drugs that we never knew we needed and nothing more.

[SWBTATTReg]

39. Agree. Some watch it endlessly, and wow, heaven and earth moves immediately based upon...

what these people say (the TV commentators, the radio stations, etc.). And, what further gets me is that they seem to think that we can actually do something here via DU to stop this constant barrage from the 1000+ radio stations, 1000+ TV stations, etc., etc., etc. This is a free country where people are free to do as they please, not a dictatorship.

You are exactly right, don't waste time or energy in listening or watching these waste of your time venues. After all, by the time you watch or listen to 1 hour worth' of stuff, you have wasted at minimum, 15 minutes (1/4 of your time) to something else that someone else wanted you to watch or listen to. Minimum.

I don't like other people/entities telling me what I should watch or listen to. Thus, no radio and/or very little TV (recorded prior to mostly so I can zip through it).

[pangaia]

47. Bored because of living a life in utter unconscious sleep....

[treestar]

74. The OP is making an observation

We all have every right to watch things, find we don't like them, and say so.

Maybe there is an argument that Joe and Mika are trying to help Democrats, or that they are not trying to help Republicans, or are only trying to make money and increase viewership, it would be a logical response.

Anyone who is a fan of any show tries to do this and it never works. Someone is always going to criticize the show. Telling them to quit watching isn't going to work. They don't have to. And they can keep watching it and keep criticizing it.

I never have watched this particular show, but usually read the threads on it because these two people seem to excite a lot of DUers to comment.

And people fear pundits are influencing low info voters, so there is that.

[airmid]

5. It's been clear for years. There are a few exception guest wise, but

overall it's just a bunch of moderate Republicans and NeverTrumpers trying to tell the Dems how to run their Party. They built the modern Republican Party and now want to extracate themselves from the consequences of their Parties destruction of the working class in this country. And racism has been their wheelhouse for decades. I mostly just turn it off and read the news online.

[uponit7771]

32. So true, I wish one of the guest will confront them even sideways with their agreement

... of Trump policies but not the implementation.

[NRaleighLiberal]

6. All TV is about money. $$$. Selling stuff...first and foremost

[TheRealNorth]

11. A lot of these so-called moderate Democrats are crawling out of the woodwork

I was listening to Devils Advocate last night and they had some Joseph Lieberman-type host that was advocating for throwing Ilhan Omar and any Democratic candidate critical of Israel and was supporting the divest campaign.

I had to turn that shit off it made me so mad. It's okay to be critical of congressman like Ilhan Omar or AOC, but he was advocating for throwing "the squad" out of the party.

[SharonAnn]

25. Usually, the so-called moderate Democrats should be called "conservative Democrats".

They're not moderate. Joe Lieberman was not moderate.

[BlueMTexpat]

31. +1!

[wyldwolf]

38. "crawling out of the woodwork?" Perhaps you need to brush up on party history.

I have all day and would be delighted to help you.

[TheRealNorth]

40. I am fully aware the we once had people like Strom Thurmond and his ilk in the party

I thought we were past all that.

[wyldwolf]

42. That's silly. Strom Thurmond was hardly a moderate Democrat

I'm talking the Clintons, Obama, Carter, and going further back, cold warriors like JFK, Truman. The party has been a moderate party since the days of Woodrow Wilson.

"Progressives" seldom make it past primaries.

[TheRealNorth]

55. So back to the original point

Do you want to throw the progressives out of the party, because they are not moderate and they might actually win the primary?

That's the point I was trying to make - some radio host purporting to be a moderate Democrat wanted to kick the Squad and any Democrat who supported divestment in Israel out of the Democratic Party.

[wyldwolf]

62. that WAS the original point

Do you want to throw the progressives out of the party...

THIS wasn't the original point. The original point is the bellyaching "progressives" do because they can't take over the party. Why would anyone want to "throw" progressives out? No one has called for it. Have progressives called for purging the Democratic party of moderate? Repeatedly.

...because they are not moderate and they might actually win the primary?

What indication is there of that?

[doc03]

57. Absolutely all those presidents were too far right

for a lot of Democrats. But there is a big difference we had President Obama not President Sanders or Warren.

[wyldwolf]

64. many may not remember DU a decade ago when "progressives" loved referring to themselves as ...

"real Democrats" and "true Democrats" and "the base of the party." Some were even going so far as to say John Kennedy, Jimmy Carter, and Bill Clinton weren't "real Democrats." 'Dinos' they were according to the "netroots" (there's another old term for you.)

I think it is quite fair to say the Democratic Party is not an ideal medium for securing a variety of progressive and left-rooted measures, and I do not, personally, view it as such.

Accepting that there is an imperfect fit between the Democratic Party and the furthest aims of left and progressive people, several things must be acknowledged.

First, it has to be acknowledged that left and progressive people really do not have solid ground to proclaim they and only they are true Democrats, or are the real base of the Democratic Party, and that people who are left of center or center-left or even centrists are not really Democrats or are people to be shunned. Moderates built the modern Democratic party.

Second, left and progressive people need to consider whether the tactic of attacking people who are perhaps a bit to the right of them, though generally well to the left of a national average, or of the average in the locale where they reside, as "conservatives" who do not belong in the Democratic Party, is likely to expand and increase their influence in the Democratic Party, and advance the prospects of actually getting laws and regulations they would like to see adopted come to pass.

The perennial meme here about what constitutes a "real Democrat" or one that is 'too far right' is conducted along lines that bear very little relation with the actual states and history of the Democratic Party. The faction of the Democratic Party that sprang from socialist movements of the 1930s and the New Left movement of the 1960s (the ideological ancestors of today's "progressive" movement" ) had its political trial with the campaign for President of Henry.Wallace in 1948, and failed utterly, gaining the votes of only a handful of people. What is repudiated at the polls by the overwhelming preponderance of Democratic voters cannot be the real face of the Democratic Party. It really is that simple.

[cilla4progress]

21. I dare say,

all America is!!

[Newest Reality]

8. It goes without saying...

That's junk food for the mind. Watching it and giving it any credence, (pro or con) just makes it seem relevant when it is just a faction of a certain kind of rather mindless, blathering bias and sensational opinion.

Some of the kinds of shows and news we have supports the very problems we face in both subtle and overt ways. Even the level of the vocabulary is often limited and grade school.

Talking heads are mostly useless unless that entertains you. The fallacy of appealing to non-experts on important issues is another matter and renders those opinions moot by comparison.

Tune out.

[RAB910]

10. Maybe it's me, but I don't think news show personalities should have a political party agenda

Sure the anti-American FOX news propaganda network lies on behalf of the GOP, but that doesn't make it right.

[Wounded Bear]

19. Most of what people complain about, though, are not really news shows...

they're commentary. More like reading the op-ed pages of your local paper than the front page.

I don't give a lot of credence to never-Trumpers trying to "resurrect" the Repub party. Trump is the culmination of a path the Repubs have been on since Reagan, at least. Mostly as a get-back for how "evil liberals" forced Nixon out of office. At best, never-Trumpers want to drag us back to the Bush years.

[comradebillyboy]

12. That sums it up pretty well. They will go back to being Trump cheerleaders

soon enough.

[SCantiGOP]

14. Another DU perspective

That wants the same philosophical purity on our side that we see on the Trump side.

Ever heard of the Big Tent? And winning actual elections?

[wyldwolf]

36. The arrogance of the 'progressive' movement...

... is thinking everyone left of center thinks like they do, then acting surprised that they don't, then insulting those that don't, then acting all butthurt when they get insulted back.

If you're DUer, and a moderate, supported the Clintons, John Kerry, Barack Obama, Joe Biden - or you're a little older and supported JFK and Carter, etc., people in this thread are essentially saying you're not a REAL Democrat.

[TheRealNorth]

43. I actually see a lot of the opposite happening

[wyldwolf]

44. In this thread? Then you must be imagining it

But, taken as a whole, the "progressive" movement are relative newcomers to the party. They don't have an ideological leg to stand on in demanding party purity.

[TheRealNorth]

50. Please see

Your earlier post "The arrogance of the progressive movement"

Let's start there.

[LanternWaste]

51. It's fun to pretend that broadening the definition of a Democrat to the point it encompasses all thi

It's fun to pretend that consistently broadening the definition and scope of the Democratic platform to the point it encompasses all things wins elections.

But y'know.... "Seriously, what's the point? And who should give a fuck?"





(six of one, half a dozen of the other... and each as lacking in merit as the other)

[awesomerwb1]

15. Stop watching

[A HERETIC I AM]

16. Here's an idea;

Don't watch him if you don't like what he has to say!

Listen to a podcast of some sort. Read or listen to a book. Go for a walk in the morning.

OR.....


Put up a thread on DU telling everyone about how you don't like a TV personality that has absolutely ZERO ABILITY to directly affect your life!

[Desert Dem]

22. Wow. How insightful!

Your shade is not shade, just plain old trolling.

[A HERETIC I AM]

23. And you have been a member here for five fucking minutes.

I need to take posting tips from you like I need another 4 years of Trumpy

[Desert Dem]

26. Wrong again!

Been a DU member since 2015 Carnak.

And what would that matter anyway?

[A HERETIC I AM]

29. Like I said, five minutes.

It never ceases to amaze me the things people on this board will choose to post about.

I suppose I'm guilty of a certain amount of esoterica on occasion, but in the 16 god damned years I've been a participant on this board, I really can not recall ever putting up a thread complaining about what someone on TV said or accusing them of having an "agenda" that I don't agree with.

Seriously, what's the point?

And who should give a fuck?

And for what it's worth, your profile says you joined nine fucking days ago. Want people to know you have been here for 4 years? Don't get tossed.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=353918

[Desert Dem]

65. Wow! Just got back from doctor and whoa.

Ok. I broke the rules by calling out a snarky unhelpful reply to My Opinion as if I no right to post it and you disagreed with me?
Then you curse me out and call me a liar, and you think I am out of line?
I was a member here under the handle jdh. I chose to cancel my registration when we got hacked on Election Day 2016.
I have lurked here while my husband went through 3 years of chemo, he died last April at the ripe old age of 57.
I have grieved for almost 18 months but, I chose to start posting again. And for the record, I had that f***ing star by my handle, so screw you and your minions, and if this gets me banned, good. Because when you can try to bully me into not expressing my opinion and you get away with it, then I don’t need your purity tests.

[A HERETIC I AM]

69. LMAO!! Minions?!?

You think I have minions?


Bwaaaahahahaha!

I wrote a "snarky unhelpful reply" to your "opinion"? I suppose that your opinion wasn't in the least snarky and completely helpful, right?

I didn't "curse you out". I used the word "fuck" and a derivation or two to color my response, but I didn't swear AT YOU.

I didn't call you a liar, either. I pointed out what your own profile says.

Fine. You had a previous identity. My apologies for not being able to keep track of the several thousand folks that come and go. I didn't get the updated member list.

I can't "bully you" if you won't be bullied, and I wasn't trying to in any way, shape or form.

There is no way in hell I am going to alert on you, nor would I wish for you to get banned. Yours was yet another in a long line of threads I've seen complaining about one or another media personality. I find it hard to understand why ANYONE would take the time to express such a thing, but hey...you're free to post what you like and I am free to either ignore or respond. It is true that discretion is the better part of valor and it is clear I should have just left well enough alone. If you want to critique the hosts of a morning cable news/talk program, have at it. I merely asked what was the point. I should take my own suggestion.

As far as a "purity test" is concerned, isn't that what you are asking of Joe Scarborough and Mika Brezinski?

I’m editing this because you said you don’t need my sympathy.

Fine. I’ll delete it

[Desert Dem]

72. I get it, my post made you angry.

You obviously have strong opinions as do I. I still think you deflect about what you said.

I think I characterized my response appropriately and as for OP, it was dripping with contempt and directed at public opinion pundits, hardly snark directed at ANY DU member. I find your response self serving and I could care less whether you place an alert me or not.

I posted a thread and you replied by coming at me personally and hard.

Sorry, I don’t need your sympathy, but I’ll accept the spirit of your apology and move on.

[NeoGreen]

30. Sooo...

...does this mean that 'Desert Dem' is your sock account?

[A HERETIC I AM]

33. ....

[NeoGreen]

34. ...

...

[A HERETIC I AM]

37. ...

[treestar]

75. No one will defer to an opinion based on that

And no one will quit watching something or criticizing it because they were yelled at on an internet board not to watch. We are certainly getting angry here. I didn't think Joe and Mika were so beloved on this board. It's a fan's reaction.

[ms liberty]

48. So are you enjoying your stay here?

Because you haven't even been here long enough to unpack, but you're breaking the rules by calling a member a troll, and a long time member at that. We've seen versions of this so many times, and it usually results in a short visit. Do you like pizza?

[Desert Dem]

67. Sure, what's not to like.

I haven’t had this much fun since my last biopsy.

[lpbk2713]

49. Outed

How about some pizza for lunch?

[Desert Dem]

66. You buying?

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I’m so slow.

[Desert Dem]

73. Oh sorry, I'm a little slow on the uptake.

I’m QUEER too! Thanks for noticing.

[LanternWaste]

52. Do responses to the OP have the ability to directly affect your life?

Or is this simply another example of holding others to a higher standard? Seems self-righteous at best to me... but I imagine you'll justify it as something else.

[babylonsister]

17. What brought this on? I

did not watch this a.m., but seems to me they despise d.t. with a white hot passion, same as I do.

[themaguffin]

61. The OP joined DU last week and there's a dig on "moderate" Democrats. This is sketchy.

[empedocles]

20. M Joe & Mika, are much more helpful to the Dem cause if they do not hew to the Dem Agenda.

[Skidmore]

24. No kidding.

I watch because it's on early and it is where Republicans throw spaghetti at wall to see what sticks for the nonFOX viewer. I've been heckling Joe on Twitter over breakfast for some time. It's. a ritual. His act at pretending he's a former Republican and a NeverTrumper is comedic. And I get an opportunity to get some news or opinion pieces up for a group of people to pass on.

I have media I won't watch but I refuse to hole up and stick my fingers in my ears.

[Desert Dem]

27. Agreed

[obnoxiousdrunk]

28. Welcome to DU !

[Desert Dem]

68. Thank you.

Nice to be back. I think.

[Kurt V.]

35. dayum! big kick

[Bradical79]

41. They're idiots from what I'd seen

Which is why I don't watch them. It's unfortunate people obsesse over these personalities' vapid opinions, but there's not really anything to be done.

[njhoneybadger]

45. Wolves in sheep's clothing you say

[StevieM]

46. James Comey and his illegitimate antics were a much bigger factor in 2016 than Russia.

Comey dominated that election from start to finish.

[doc03]

53. I think you should take their advise if you want to

beat Trump. We aren't going to carry the EC with a far left
candidate. Did you hear Bill Mahr this morning he was dead on. You aren't going to beat Trump running a politically correct candidate that apologises for everything and beat Trump. That is what people like about Trump he says what he thinks and doesn't back down or apologise for anything.

[dem4decades]

54. If Nikki Haley ran for President tomorrow morning Joe would be a Republican again by noon.

[redstateblues]

58. As would Nicole Wallace

[dem4decades]

60. And virtually every guest on both their shows. And Boot, Wilson, Nichols, Schneider and the rest.

[Nature Man]

56. meh.

It's a tv show, don't watch it. Has no bearing on anything remotely related to reality.

[themaguffin]

59. What is the point of this? Everyone knows he an ass. This has NOTHING to do with "moderates"

FFS

[pwb]

70. I don't watch any cable opinion news anymore.

They all suck canal water to me.

[Skittles]

76. I've never understood how anyone can watch them

I find them insufferable