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[JI7]

1. what happened ?

[still_one]

2. My advice is stay out of the primary forum

[MuseRider]

4. Oh dear yes.

If that is where this happened then it is easy to not deal with. Remember, there are people who just like to push you over the edge. Don't let them. It is sad but you have to.

[still_one]

6. I am just speculating, if their is anyplace that can wear ya down, that's it. I really have no idea

happened here with the OP

Sometimes it is good to take a break anyway from the craziness going on

[MissB]

5. Wasn't the issue I think

[Cha]

66. I have never seen her in

there.

[still_one]

88. No idea, just speculating

[Skittles]

3. you could have appealed your hide

but instead, you started a thread beefing about your hide, which is an actual real violation

why don't you just appeal your original hide?

[samplegirl]

8. I did appeal it!!!

[Takket]

12. i feel your pain... i've been there...

honestly, it is not worth it to quit. too much valuable info and insight here, plus it helps to blow off steam with like minded people.

but you should stay off the primary board. i rarely post there. honestly it is just the same circular firing squad arguments over and over. 90% of the juries i sit on are for primary posts about Bernie Sanders. Exactly the same as 2016. It honestly drives me mad. That forum brings very little to DU other than strife it does serve a great purpose of consolidating all our infighting to one board instead of it spreading all over DU LOL

[dhol82]

31. +1

[Takket]

37. evidence? i didn't see any evidence...............

[Hortensis]

72. Better yet, tuck a little lettuce in DU's pocket.

You're here a lot now, maybe time to shoulder some responsibility and be what you seem to think what you're part of isn't.

[samplegirl]

42. Frankly my dear

I don’t give a damn!

[Skittles]

47. I thought you said INSTEAD of appealing it you were posting about it

[Triloon]

25. ".. actual real violation."

How can you take such authoritarian horseshit seriously. Hides are dispensed automatically on any complaint with no review. Appeals are ignored. The appellant receives no response unless the appeal is approved, and so has to wait forever for nothing at all. It's a stupid system that favors the capricious complainer. Are any appeals ever approved? Who fucking knows..
" ... actual real violation." Pfft.

[samplegirl]

32. I can remember

when we had no jury here and guess what... It was a lot better!

[Polybius]

61. I heard that there was a time when you could see hidden posts by unhiding them

Also, when you complete jury service, how can you find the results? I'm always curious to see if I was on the right side of the voting or not.

[Mosby]

33. I have had a couple hides overturned by the admins

But I have also had a lot of posts hidden for all the wrong reasons.

The OP needs to take some deep breaths and move on.

[wasupaloopa]

51. I take hides on my Bernie posts as a badge of honor

[Skittles]

52. yeah well

just don't get five of them

[lunatica]

73. So that's why my appeal seemed to be ignored!

Good to know I was very close in my speculation. It seemed deliberate. I felt dismissed outright.

Live and learn.

[muriel_volestrangler]

93. "Authoritarian horseshit"? DU is the least authoritarian forum I know, thanks to the jury system

I was a mod on DU2; I'm a mod on another forum. Those were/are inevitably more 'authoritarian' because certain users get the authority to delete or edit posts, and don't have to explain it in public. I don't think you appreciate the level of democracy and member power that DU3 gives us.

And yes, appeals do get approved.

Seriously, if you think this is a "stupid system", then make your own forum without any rules at all. It'll devolve into 8chan in no time at all.

[hlthe2b]

7. Join me in boycotting the primary forum for a while. I decided that a few days ago.

Enjoy the other sides of DU. The news of GD, the quirkiness of the Lounge, the fun of the pet forum, cooking & baking, movies, streaming video, music reviews... You name it.

I think a lot of us have been in your shoes, and if you've gotten a hide or two, it only adds to the frustration, but this too shall pass. Hang out with the rest of us "burn-outs"...

[demtenjeep]

13. agreeI have two hides during two different debates

only in the primary forum.

I was sticking up for my guy and worded things I should not have done.

I own it

[hlthe2b]

15. Hard to avoid in that forum right now. Seems like everything gets alerted.

[demtenjeep]

16. I call them as I see them and commented about a person calling someone else senile

and stated my thought of him at that moment...………….

well you know what happened then.

[samplegirl]

17. I was not in the primary forum

just general discussion.

[hlthe2b]

18. 'Sorry for your frustration, but it will get better.

[Cha]

67. I'm just the opposite..

I can't stand seeing "the psycho's" name and mostly stay in DP right now.. I just trash all the OPs I don't like.

And, I just came to DU in 2002 for politics and that's still why I'm here.

I'll miss you in DP.. until you decide to come back, hlthe2b!

[LovingA2andMI]

9. Sorry to hear this...

But Understandable. We rarely post anymore with the way things are going.

[Kali]

10. posting antivax views can be seen as woo/conspiracy bullshit

some get away with it, but in general it should be seen as anti-scientific kookiness and not tolerated

you can have all the opinions in the world, but some are just not justifiable for this website.

[hlthe2b]

14. Oh, dear. Was that the issue?

[Kali]

19. looks like it

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12469646

subject line was "neither"

[samplegirl]

21. I did not post anti-vaccine view

I even posted I’m not an anti-vaxxer. I was talking facts and the risk of Guillain Barre Syndrome which I had at 19 and fought for my life!

[Kali]

24. well, maybe your facts were off (more likely to get it from flu than the shot, I don't know what

you wrote or the tone you used didn't see the post) complaining about a hidden post will also often get hidden.

take a break and see what admins say about your appeal

[Thekaspervote]

38. Those that have had Gillain Barre are strongly advised to avoid vaccines

[Skittles]

49. are they strongly advised to advise others not to get a vaccine?

[pnwmom]

62. She got it from the shot! I remember when there was a rash of reactions to the shot that year.

Her facts aren't "off" about her own experience.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/guillain-barre-syndrome.html

In 1976, there was a small increased risk of GBS after swine flu vaccination, which was a special flu vaccine for a potential pandemic strain of flu virus. The National Academy of Medicine, formerly known as Institute of Medicine, conducted a scientific review of this issue in 2003 and found that people who received the 1976 swine flu vaccine had an increased risk for developing GBS. The increased risk was approximately one additional case of GBS for every 100,000 people who got the swine flu vaccine. Scientists have several theories about the cause, but the exact reason for this link remains unknown.

[pnwmom]

63. I am so sorry that happened to you. I remember one year, a long time ago,

when I had just gotten the shot for the Swine Flu, and a few days later the reports came out about a rash of GB connected to the vaccine. That was scary.

I hope you were able to recover completely.

[Generic Brad]

11. I suggest a short break and then a return

I’m sorry you had a post hidden and you lost your appeal. It happens to many of us from time to time.

I truly believe there is a place for you here and your ideas are valued. Consider a short break, regroup, and bring your voice back to the conversation when you’re ready.

[True Dough]

28. Good advice

I hope samplegirl is willing to give it serious consideration and doesn't leave for good.

[blm]

20. Please, sample, just a break. You are so much a part of DU.

[brooklynite]

22. Who is denying you a voice?

You just can't let criticism get to you.

My opinions have never been in the mainstream here; doesn't bother me.

[Beringia]

23. I think she got a hide for an opinion

And then a hide for posting about that.

[brooklynite]

26. I get fairly frequent hides, almost all of them get overturned on appeal...

[Beringia]

29. I requested an appeal once and heard nothing back

[at140]

53. Yes, it would be nice if appeals were answered

with a brief explanation. But may be there is not enough manpower in Admin to do that.

[jcgoldie]

91. Yes I think that's the problem

As many jury calls as everyone gets daily just in the short time we're here especially during primary season and I'm sure a large majority of those who get hidden feel they were somehow misinterpreted or judged too harshly and appeal. I suspect if they answered every appeal it would take someone all day explaining themselves in emails. Maybe they could have a team like MIRT, or maybe it just is what it is sometimes imperfect but the most democratic system I'm aware of in such a community.

[samplegirl]

35. I don't like not having a voice

especially considering my ordeal of having Guillain Barre
from the swine flu shot left me on life support for months in a paralyzed state. I’ve been speechless before but never will anyone shut me up about my opinions of the risks of the flu shot even though I’m not an anti-vaccine person.

[TwilightZone]

40. The chances of getting GB from the flu shot are about a million-to-one.

I'm sorry that you were that one, but there's no evidence that getting GB from the flu shot is anything other than an infinitesimal risk. The chances of getting it from a bacterium or other infection is thousands of times higher.

That's probably why your post was considered anti-vax. Your experience, while truly horrifying, isn't representative of the norm and GB is *not* a risk associated with the shot often enough to require them to advertise it as such.

Source: the CDC

"If there is an increased risk of GBS following flu vaccination it is small, on the order of one to two additional GBS cases per million doses of flu vaccine administered."

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/guillainbarre.htm

[womanofthehills]

68. I think it's now two per million but SIRVA seems to be a bigger problem

So if 165 flu shots are given a yr possibly 300 or more people might get GB from flu shot. Most adverse reactions reported to Vaccine Injury Compensation Program are now from flu shots, not childhood vaccines. SIRVA seems to be a problem - where the shot is given too high on the arm and the pain becomes chronic. Because of SIRVA, I think if I were to get a flu shot I would get it from a dr rather than a pharmacy.

Here is a report from Dept of Justice - put out every 3 months detailing injury compensation. 83 compensations - 18 compensations for SIRVA, 6 for GBS. (chart on page 10)

https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/advisory-committees/vaccines/meetings/2019/030819-doj-update.pdf

[Cha]

69. I'm so sorry you had

to go through that, samplegirl.. and glad you came ou through it!

[Demonaut]

27. this site is the same as when I joined in 2003, remember vetwife?

there will always be disagreements, difference of opinions and a general dislike of a specific poster..but wtf?

[unblock]

30. I know it feels like having a post or two removed is a big deal, but really,

it isn't anything to be overly bothered by.

I very much doubt your original post would have been alerted had you included your gbs story, and then the second post wouldn't have even come up.

Your experience with gbs is informative and adds to the du community to know about it, thank you for sharing.

Don't let the particulars of how it was communicated and misinterpreted bother you. It happens, it's no big deal.

Again, I know it doesn't feel that way right now -- I've been there -- but after a bit of reflection I hope you'll take it in stride as I have the rare times my posts get removed.

[samplegirl]

36. True and someone

asked about it in the health forum but I saw it much to late.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

39. I hear you.

I got slapped for something because one NEW person reported my comment as a threat. It wasn't. It was a summary of a reality, something that I have seen happen several times in my lifetime, and it was completely and ridiculously misinterpreted.

I think sometimes people knee-jerk a response without thinking that there could be more than one interpretation than their own.

It upset me for days. So, I took a few weeks off. But the important thing is your sanity in these difficult times, so do what you feel is best for you.

Peace be with you.

[bluestarone]

43. Please reconsider and

STAY! We need each other for sure! DU is a great place most of the time! TRY AGAIN!

[leftstreet]

44. Don't go

I get hides for things others don't. I get hides for no reason that makes sense to me.

But it happens to everyone

BRING BACK THE MODS!!

[Laffy Kat]

45. Gosh, I always let it roll right off of me.

I hope you reconsider, samplegirl.

[TwilightZone]

46. Hides happen.

Try not to take it personally. It can be difficult, of course, but it's a little easier if one just acknowledges that stuff happens, move on from it, and stick around.

There's a reason you've been here for 15 years. Don't let one event drive you away.

[GulfCoast66]

50. You've become too emotionally invested in a web site!

Listen, I love DU. It fun to bullshit with people who generally agree with me. And I learn a lot and get tons of laughs.

But it has zero effect on my real life. I get hides. Usually because I can be an ass. Occasionally because I am misunderstood.

But how does that effect my, or your life? Yeah, it doesn’t. Or should not.

If what happens here is affecting you emotionally then you should give it a break. Then come back when when you realize what it is. A bunch of strangers with various views generally on the left. Some nice. Some assholes.

But at the end of the day if what happens here affects you emotionally you need something else.

[pbmus]

59. Bingo...

[cwydro]

85. Spot on.

Not good to be so wrapped up in anything online, imo.

[Hoyt]

54. I get it. My first few hides hurt. The next 20, not so much.

I’ve only alerted on one post here. That was a post I wrote, and changed my mine overnight.

[Codeine]

55. So you got a hide. Big deal.

I’ve gotten lots of hides, some justified and others less so. I appeal the ones I feel are unfair and they’re often overturned. I don’t get worked up about the ones that stand, and if I get to three (usually related to a certain fan club, but c’est la vie) I just make sure to be extra careful for a month or two until they start to mature off my record.

It’s an internet discussion board — taking it seriously is very ill-advised.

[Blue_true]

56. Take a couple of days away to think about things.

I got really angry when one person seemed to alert stalk me over one night about 2 months ago. I appealed, but heard nothing back. I was angry, so I just took some time away. Some people here, unfortunately, can't handle strong disagreement with a position they take, but that exists in life everywhere.

Don't take things as you being targeted, I am sure that if that is happening, the targeters will be exposed at some point soon.

[Botany]

57. Sleep on it.

It will be better in time.

[StClone]

58. After 17 years I am still here. nm

I have endured the flood of paid truth assassins pissing all over DU pushing DDT, guns, wars, lies, b.s. and assorted mayhem. Now they have them so trained they do it for free! Gleefully wishing to end life on Earth so they can be justified in their end time beliefs. Yeah no time for lily livered. Goodbye.

[mahina]

60. Fair winds and following seas.

Wishing you very well. If you feel like returning eventually, don’t feel shy because we all have the attention span of puppies.

Not just DU.

Nobody will question you because, and I don’t mean this in a hurtful way so please don’t take it that way, most wont remember. Except me. I hope!

Unless you do a giant flameout. There’s still time, lol.


I think it’s been 16 years 🤭. 18 if you count lurking. I don’t think more than a couple of people here know I’m here at all. Good news bad news!

Anyway cheers, aloha.

[nini]

64. Suck it up

You're not a victim. Most of us have had warnings and posts removed. Taking it overly personal is a waste of time. If it bothers you that much you probably should move on since its not worth being miserable over.

[Hekate]

65. People are giving you words of wisdom: take a break for awhile, and swear off the Primaries forum

Hang out in another one of the groups, like Gardening or Photography.

Primaries is where the majority of the ugliness is -- that's why it's sequestered.

This, too, shall pass.

[Cha]

71. Just so you know..samplegirl wasn't in the primary forum..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12472097

[Hekate]

74. Ah well, the whole place has its ups and downs

[Cha]

75. Exactly..

[tandem5]

70. Look, if you were dying you wouldn't bother to carve aaaargh.

[emmaverybo]

76. Probably stung so much because of the story behind your post. My uncle had GBS and nearly died.

Everyone was asking if he’d had a flu shot. He still has an effect from it.

I got kicked off, literally banned from websleuths. It was a tech thing. I thought my computer was acting up and posts not going through so kept posting and...nasty message too on doubling posts and “you were warned,” never darken our very special door again.

That same weekend I had found out a friend had committed suicide and also had to put my very precious little rescue to sleep. I was crying over websleuths LOL. But someone on board messaged me how much she liked my posts and others did too and I told her about my friend and cried some more. And bit by bit got over it.

Thank goodness you got some cute and sweet responses here. Makes me feel people really are good after all (Anne Frank).

See, it happens. Fifteen years! Don’t chuck it all.

It is the hot season, under the collar.

I am glad you wrote this. I am glad you recovered too.

[Joe941]

77. Been there and I don't blame you.

[True Blue American]

78. Take some time off. It will give you perspective.

I want to say DU is the greatest board I have ever been on. Republicans can drive you up the wall with their repeated, canned responses and down right lies.

I really like the MOD system, think most try to be fair and not let ideology sway them.

It is never wise to announce you are leaving, better to just go away until you feel better.

[Raine]

79. I'm sorry

I hope you won't go, we all need each other.

[tirebiter]

80. Unlike Bolton you are still a member

And can always post again when the time and opportunity tells you it’s time.

[Maru Kitteh]

81. Wow. Been a while since I saw a GBCW post. I must say,

I've never understood the purpose of these.




Well. Happy trails! I wish you the best.

[pintobean]

82. A lot of people have walked away.

Many rarely post. It used to be fun.

[elocs]

83. DU is like the Hotel California: you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.

Yes, you can stop posting here but I'm sure DU will keep you on their membership list.
I wonder how many dead people are on that list?

[VOX]

92. Old joke: "Hotel California" is basically a bad Yelp review with a 3-minute guitar solo.

[Vinca]

86. You should reconsider. We all get mired in nasty exchanges every so often.

It bothers me, too, but that's what happens when we all get to speak our minds. Don't take it personally. The person who upset you so much could be name Ivan and he could be sitting at a keyboard in Russia. We have no idea about who we're chatting with or what their motives might really be. Take a vacation and then come back.

[GoneOffShore]

89. After looking at the post in question, I doubt that any one named Ivan was involved.

Hey, things have changed on DU. Five or ten years ago this thread would have been filled with 'Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you' responses. Now we're encouraging people to stay. Which is a good thing.

[eShirl]

87. Then go.

[obamanut2012]

90. You got a hide for posting anti flu vax "information"

That was a far hide.

I had one hide, ever, that was blatantly partisan (ie snarking about Gabbard), and just let it go.

This OP actually IS against TOS.