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If Trump is impeached and removed from office, can he still run for president in 2020? (Original Post) Yavin4 Sep 2019 OP
From prison? Qutzupalotl Sep 2019 #1
Yes. He could theoretically run for reelection. Though if removed, hopefully NYAG would hlthe2b Sep 2019 #2
If convicted or impeached thru senate...NO pbmus Sep 2019 #3
Bill Clinton customerserviceguy Sep 2019 #21
AFAIK, it depends on the Senate. The Senate imposes the punishment upon conviction, and RockRaven Sep 2019 #4
I think that's a great question. Control-Z Sep 2019 #5
The Senate decides that. Massacure Sep 2019 #6
yes, Alcee Hastings (then a federal judge) was impeached, convicted, removed, but not banned, Celerity Sep 2019 #9
A fascinating factoid. Massacure Sep 2019 #13
Not barred from running for office. beachbumbob Sep 2019 #7
The Senate may decide to bar someone from holding office. Massacure Sep 2019 #10
Actually yes, if convicted then barred from office. Voltaire2 Sep 2019 #23
If impeached and not convicted yes, he can. GulfCoast66 Sep 2019 #8
No President have been convicted (obviously) Blue_true Sep 2019 #11
Nixon WOULD HAVE been removed by the Senate oswaldactedalone Sep 2019 #14
His actions were criminal, as I believe Trump's will turn out to be. Blue_true Sep 2019 #19
no, they have to also vote to ban him for life as well, see Alcee Hastings Celerity Sep 2019 #12
You are correct. Dumb on me. I remember incorrectly. GulfCoast66 Sep 2019 #15
I made the same mistake months ago, lol, it is why I knew all this instantly Celerity Sep 2019 #16
Kind of embarrassing. I read the constitution at least yearly. GulfCoast66 Sep 2019 #18
I read it too, it is a bit unclearly written, but when the 2nd part I will post is also taken into Celerity Sep 2019 #22
No. Fiendish Thingy Sep 2019 #17
The Senate can disqualify in a separate vote after conviction, but it is rare. Eugene Sep 2019 #20
No. And I can't say why or I would be banned permanently. smirkymonkey Sep 2019 #24
yes krawhitham Sep 2019 #25

hlthe2b

(101,534 posts)
2. Yes. He could theoretically run for reelection. Though if removed, hopefully NYAG would
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:09 PM
Sep 2019

have already charged and tried him which could preempt that.

pbmus

(12,414 posts)
3. If convicted or impeached thru senate...NO
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:12 PM
Sep 2019

Last edited Thu Sep 26, 2019, 11:06 PM - Edit history (1)

So to sum this all up… he could be impeached within the technical definition (have charges brought against him), but still get acquitted. Just like Johnson he would be free to run again. On the other hand, if he were convicted, he couldn’t run again. And now the world makes sense again.

RockRaven

(14,709 posts)
4. AFAIK, it depends on the Senate. The Senate imposes the punishment upon conviction, and
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:13 PM
Sep 2019

that punishment can include not just removal but also a ban on holding future federal office. Seems like it would be boilerplate language in any such document, because why would the Repukes go along with taking the political hit of ousting him only to invite him to take revenge by running again (and against them)?

Control-Z

(15,681 posts)
5. I think that's a great question.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:15 PM
Sep 2019

He would have to be convicted of a crime before he could be imprisoned. If he worms his way out of both a conviction and prison time are there any rules that would prevent him from running again?

Massacure

(7,489 posts)
6. The Senate decides that.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:17 PM
Sep 2019

The Constitution only states that "Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor." The Senate has historically held that they can remove someone from office without disqualifying them from ever again holding an "Office of honor."

Celerity

(42,445 posts)
9. yes, Alcee Hastings (then a federal judge) was impeached, convicted, removed, but not banned,
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:26 PM
Sep 2019

and now he has been a US House member since 1992.

Massacure

(7,489 posts)
10. The Senate may decide to bar someone from holding office.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:27 PM
Sep 2019

The Senate in 1989 removed Walter Nixon as judge from the Southern District of Mississippi but did not further prevent him from holding an office of honor. On the other hand, the Senate in 2010 removed Thomas Porteous as judge from the Eastern District of Louisiana and did disqualify him from ever holding an office of honor again.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
8. If impeached and not convicted yes, he can.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:23 PM
Sep 2019

If the Senate convicts him he is prevented from holding office, of any type, again.

But the senate will not convict. Even with this new damning evidence.

It up to the voters in 2020.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
11. No President have been convicted (obviously)
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:27 PM
Sep 2019

But the past impeachments were political as opposed to criminal affairs. Nixon would have likely been removed if impeached, but he circumvented that by resigning. Nixon's acts were criminal.

oswaldactedalone

(3,489 posts)
14. Nixon WOULD HAVE been removed by the Senate
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:32 PM
Sep 2019

Goldwater told him there were at least 77 Senators who would vote to convict.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
19. His actions were criminal, as I believe Trump's will turn out to be.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:47 PM
Sep 2019

My guess is that a lot of people in the White House and Justice will end up in prison. Trump will take a deal in a New York minute once his ass is cornered, he will leave them to their fate.

Celerity

(42,445 posts)
12. no, they have to also vote to ban him for life as well, see Alcee Hastings
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:28 PM
Sep 2019

Alcee Hastings (then a federal judge) was impeached, convicted, removed, but not banned, and now he has been a US House member since 1992.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
15. You are correct. Dumb on me. I remember incorrectly.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:35 PM
Sep 2019

Thought it was automatic.

But this is all academic. They will not convict.

But I after this week an impeachment is called for.


GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
18. Kind of embarrassing. I read the constitution at least yearly.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:43 PM
Sep 2019

That said, I would happily dump the whole thing except for the Bill of Rights and other Amendments for a Parliamentary system.

And a Supreme Court in some manner.

I think history has proven our blueprint for governance obsolete.

But our enshrining the rights of citizens in writing is the true genius of the document. And being generally willing to enforce it. Although not always and not right away.

Celerity

(42,445 posts)
22. I read it too, it is a bit unclearly written, but when the 2nd part I will post is also taken into
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:58 PM
Sep 2019

account, then I can see how it (barring from future office) is optional.

the first part:

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States; but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.


—Article I, Section 3, Clauses 6 and 7


the 2nd part

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.


—Article II, Section 4

it does NOT demand future barring, just removal

Fiendish Thingy

(15,286 posts)
17. No.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:43 PM
Sep 2019

If he is,convicted and removed by the senate, he is constitutionally barred from holding elected office.

Eugene

(61,563 posts)
20. The Senate can disqualify in a separate vote after conviction, but it is rare.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:51 PM
Sep 2019

Federal Judge Thomas Porteous was impeached by the House, removed from office by the Senate and then permanently disqualified from holding office.

From Wikipedia:

Disqualification - Forever disqualified to hold any office of honor or profit under the United States - Disqualified by the Senate by a vote of 94-2.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Porteous

In contrast, Alcee Hastings was removed from the bench but was allowed to run for Congress.

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