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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf Trump is impeached and removed from office, can he still run for president in 2020?
Or is he barred from the office for life?
Qutzupalotl
(14,200 posts)hlthe2b
(101,534 posts)have already charged and tried him which could preempt that.
pbmus
(12,414 posts)Last edited Thu Sep 26, 2019, 11:06 PM - Edit history (1)
So to sum this all up he could be impeached within the technical definition (have charges brought against him), but still get acquitted. Just like Johnson he would be free to run again. On the other hand, if he were convicted, he couldnt run again. And now the world makes sense again.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)could not run again, as he had previously been elected twice to the office.
RockRaven
(14,709 posts)that punishment can include not just removal but also a ban on holding future federal office. Seems like it would be boilerplate language in any such document, because why would the Repukes go along with taking the political hit of ousting him only to invite him to take revenge by running again (and against them)?
Control-Z
(15,681 posts)He would have to be convicted of a crime before he could be imprisoned. If he worms his way out of both a conviction and prison time are there any rules that would prevent him from running again?
Massacure
(7,489 posts)The Constitution only states that "Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor." The Senate has historically held that they can remove someone from office without disqualifying them from ever again holding an "Office of honor."
Celerity
(42,445 posts)and now he has been a US House member since 1992.
Massacure
(7,489 posts)Thanks for sharing
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Massacure
(7,489 posts)The Senate in 1989 removed Walter Nixon as judge from the Southern District of Mississippi but did not further prevent him from holding an office of honor. On the other hand, the Senate in 2010 removed Thomas Porteous as judge from the Eastern District of Louisiana and did disqualify him from ever holding an office of honor again.
Voltaire2
(12,511 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)If the Senate convicts him he is prevented from holding office, of any type, again.
But the senate will not convict. Even with this new damning evidence.
It up to the voters in 2020.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)But the past impeachments were political as opposed to criminal affairs. Nixon would have likely been removed if impeached, but he circumvented that by resigning. Nixon's acts were criminal.
oswaldactedalone
(3,489 posts)Goldwater told him there were at least 77 Senators who would vote to convict.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)My guess is that a lot of people in the White House and Justice will end up in prison. Trump will take a deal in a New York minute once his ass is cornered, he will leave them to their fate.
Celerity
(42,445 posts)Alcee Hastings (then a federal judge) was impeached, convicted, removed, but not banned, and now he has been a US House member since 1992.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Thought it was automatic.
But this is all academic. They will not convict.
But I after this week an impeachment is called for.
Celerity
(42,445 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)That said, I would happily dump the whole thing except for the Bill of Rights and other Amendments for a Parliamentary system.
And a Supreme Court in some manner.
I think history has proven our blueprint for governance obsolete.
But our enshrining the rights of citizens in writing is the true genius of the document. And being generally willing to enforce it. Although not always and not right away.
Celerity
(42,445 posts)account, then I can see how it (barring from future office) is optional.
the first part:
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States; but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
Article I, Section 3, Clauses 6 and 7
the 2nd part
Article II, Section 4
it does NOT demand future barring, just removal
Fiendish Thingy
(15,286 posts)If he is,convicted and removed by the senate, he is constitutionally barred from holding elected office.
Eugene
(61,563 posts)Federal Judge Thomas Porteous was impeached by the House, removed from office by the Senate and then permanently disqualified from holding office.
From Wikipedia:
Disqualification - Forever disqualified to hold any office of honor or profit under the United States - Disqualified by the Senate by a vote of 94-2.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Porteous
In contrast, Alcee Hastings was removed from the bench but was allowed to run for Congress.