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[Faux pas]

1. Kickin' with disgust

[LakeArenal]

47. More and more "kickin' It with disgust"

But so true....

[MineralMan]

77. It did not happen. It was a hoax by the child. See posts later in the thread.

[stopdiggin]

101. and I retract (w/ apologies)

this is tough. Not because I have trouble apologizing, but because of the implications brought forward in this incident .. and with this issue ..

We are suppose to support and believe the victim -- which we can all agree with in principal .. but then have to acknowledge that it does not always lead to justice (or truth).

And then we have social media -- which certainly can be a great weapon in fighting abuse and injustice -- but also clearly leads to instances of "piling on" and the bandwagon effect. (which has a great deal more in common with mob rule than it does with justice)

I apologize for my part here .. and I hope Newsweek, the author, and the poster of the OP are also aware of the gravity of such a mistake.

[MineralMan]

102. Difficult as it is, I try not to simply accept stories on their face at first.

Sometimes, we discover that the original telling wasn't accurate, so it seems best to wait a bit before reacting as though the story was correct.

The tendency is to believe the victim and, in most case, the victim is telling the truth. But, not always.

[guillaumeb]

128. This is not true.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212526107

[AncientGeezer]

134. Will you kick it for being false?

[RockRaven]

2. Be Best, Mother, Be Best

[Backseat Driver]

20. Yup, Mother supporting "thoughts and prayers."

[MineralMan]

78. It did not happen. It was a hoax by the child. See posts later in the thread.

[flibbitygiblets]

3. Those "christian" children are guilty of assault and probably a hate crime

and need to be held accountable

[gratuitous]

9. All right, we'll hold them accountable

The next three openings on the Supreme Court, Trump will nominate them.

[ooky]

24. And they were taught this behavior at home by their MAGAt parents.

[MineralMan]

79. It did not happen. It was a hoax by the child. See posts later in the thread.

[AncientGeezer]

135. It didn't happen....who is held responsible?

[Hotler]

4. Let us pray.

[struggle4progress]

16. School tells family to pray

Posted: Sep 27, 2019 / 09:58 AM GMT-0400 / Updated: Sep 27, 2019 / 09:58 AM GMT-0400

SPRINGFIELD, Va. (WISH) — A family has filed a police report after three boys restrained a girl and cut her dreadlocks. The family says the school hasn’t done anything about the incident but told the family to pray about it ...

https://www.wishtv.com/news/national/school-tells-family-to-pray-about-incident-after-boys-cut-girls-dreadlocks/

[Blue_playwright]

30. That's assault. Period.

I’m glad they contacted the police.

[AncientGeezer]

136. It would be...IF it were true....it wasn't.

[Mariana]

44. Good.

Crimes, especially violent crimes such as this one, should be reported to the police, period. It shouldn't make any difference whether a particular crime happened to take place in a school.

[struggle4progress]

17. 'Pray About This': Virginia Christian School Allegedly Tried to Keep Black Family Quiet

By Tanasia Kenney - September 27, 2019

... When the girl’s family went to officials with the latest allegations, they said the Christian school “asked them not to post about incident on social media and asked them to pray about this so it can be handled the ‘Godly way,” FOX 5 D.C. reported ...

https://atlantablackstar.com/2019/09/27/pray-about-this-virginia-christian-school-allegedly-tried-to-keep-black-family-quiet-after-12-year-old-attacked-had-her-locs-cut-by-white-classmates/

[stopdiggin]

39. which might have had more impact

if the offending little "christian sh**heels" had been summarily expelled .. and THEN we'll all sit down an "pray" about it.

[AncientGeezer]

89. Might have had more impact if it were true....

[stopdiggin]

95. and I retract (w/ apologies, #101) -- (nt)

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[guillaumeb]

129. However bad this sounds, and it does, there is more:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212526107

[MineralMan]

80. It did not happen. It was a hoax by the child. See posts later in the thread.

[Wounded Bear]

5. Yeah, how's that Anti-Bullying campaign going...

[ooky]

25. "Be best" lady will be nowhere in sight.

[MineralMan]

81. It did not happen. It was a hoax by the child. See posts later in the thread.

[guillaumeb]

132. This story is a hoax.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212526107

The girl made it up.

[oasis]

6. V.P. Pence will condemn this in the "strongest of terms".

[Left-face]

10. By saying in the strongest terms...

What's a dread lock?

[oasis]

13. Google: Bob Marley nt

[csziggy]

69. I suspect Left-face knows what a dreadlock is - but doubts Pence does

[csziggy]

70. So people know when you are being sarcastic or ironic

You might want to use smilies to illustrate your post.

If you click on the smilies button at the top of the reply window, then on the three dots at the end of them, you will see this smilie:



Or, to get the same thing just type the word 'sarcasm' but replace the ' with : on either side of the word and you've got it!

Welcome to DU!

[Permanut]

7. I wish this could be on local and national news..

won't happen though. Thanks for posting, catbyte.

[HipChick]

8. Kickin...this story needs more exposure..

[Left-face]

11. Except that..

When the world's political outlook has turned to excrement a "haircut" isn't getting much attention..

[HipChick]

12. It's not just a 'haircut'...

maybe to you...
this girl is traumatized by this assault..

[virgogal]

21. She still wants to return to the same school.

[MineralMan]

83. It did not happen. It was a hoax by the child. See posts later in the thread.

[LonePirate]

14. We need an Alan Grayson type to shout Karen Pence supports racism before/if she denounces this.

Put her in a corner for keeping silent and supporting racists or allow her to denounce this and piss off the racist, right wing base.

[guillaumeb]

130. Keep silent about something that did not actually happen?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212526107

[LonePirate]

138. That post is from today. My post is from three days before that. Need a calendar?

[malaise]

15. It's on local news here in Jamaica

People are calling in about it - they are pissed

[HipChick]

55. Fairfax County....one the richest counties in the US...

White Privilege abounds..

[malaise]

56. That another human being can decide to assault me because they don't like my hair

or my skin color is white privilege on steroids. One more set of monsters coming up - just when we thought this shit was dying.

[HipChick]

59. They learnt that somewhere...

[AncientGeezer]

91. Apparently "they" didn't learn it any place. Seeing as it was false and all.

[HipChick]

98. Racism is not false, it's learnt...

[AncientGeezer]

99. But this case wasn't "learnt"....as it didn't happen. Right?

This whole thread..OP is about a specific case....that was false.
It's stuff like this that makes real cases get questioned.

[cwydro]

85. Hope they give equal publicity to the fact it was fake.

Strained credulity from the get-go.

[malaise]

93. I'll let you know n/t

[marble falls]

18. Its not their fault. Jebus crisp told them to do it. Jebus didn't realize the mike ...

live.

Some adult or adults signaled to them that they were doing something that was alright. Someone taught them something about judging people and styles.

[AncientGeezer]

140. Seeing as it a false claim....aren't you doing what you claim others did?

[Arkansas Granny]

19. I see school officials are recommending the "thoughts and prayers" remedy.

[Shrike47]

34. Wouldn't want to imperil the future of those nice boys from good families, would we?

[AncientGeezer]

141. Boys that didn't exist right?

[Crunchy Frog]

22. It's Godly to tolerate school bullying behavior.

[Bettie]

71. Well, some bullying behavior

I expect that the reaction of the school would be very different if the girl had been blonde and white.

[MineralMan]

86. It did not happen. It was a hoax by the child. See posts later in the thread.

[SunSeeker]

23. K & R for exposure.

[Funtatlaguy]

26. Of course they did. Deplorables

[AncientGeezer]

92. Not so much.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/virginia-sixth-grader-now-says-she-falsely-accused-classmates-of-cutting-her-hair/2019/09/30/ad0cbd92-e390-11e9-a331-2df12d56a80b_story.html

[VOX]

27. Those "christian" Lord of the Flies boys are on the fast track to violent crimes, such as rape.

Seriously, how fucked up is this for 12 year-olds?
“...one student covered her mouth with his hands while another held her arms behind her back and another cut her dreadlocks with scissors while taunting her.”

One wonders how those boys are treated in their own homes, for them to be so savage.

[MineralMan]

87. It did not happen. It was a hoax by the child. See posts later in the thread.

[Doodley]

28. Once this was an everyday thing, now it is national news. How things have improved over the years.

[Submariner]

29. Future priests and future child rapists being bred and trained by Mother.....

[Ohiogal]

31. Karen Pence needs to step up and publicly denounce this

since she’s the wife of the VP. But she probably won’t.

[AncientGeezer]

139. Why should she? It was false

[NellieStarbuck]

32. Ah, those good Christian boys . . .

Keep up the good work, lads, and you, too, can become a Justice of the United States Supreme Court someday! Sick little bastards.

[LiberalLovinLug]

37. Yup. Christian Thugs. That SHOULD be an oxymoron.

But in this day with a "Christian" leader that swears, cheats, lies, steals, jeers, abuses, and encourages Americans to beat up opponents, even an inspiration to shoot imaginary enemies.....its not.

[Mariana]

46. In this day and age?

This is nothing new. There have been Christian thugs for as long as there have been Christians. There's nothing about Christianity that magically turns its adherents into better people than non-Christians. Often, it does the exact opposite.

[MineralMan]

88. It did not happen. It was a hoax by the child. See posts later in the thread.

[AncientGeezer]

142. Non existant sick little bastards right??

[YOHABLO]

33. Well you have to reprimand the institution and not Karen Pence.

She may be as alarmed at these students action against Amari Allen as the rest of us. Usually dread locks are worn by those who follow Rastafarian religion which is a derivation of Christianity.
I'm giving Karen Pence the benefit of the doubt, she really should not be condemned merely by association.

[Smackdown2019]

35. As a teacher

It is not a teacher's fault in what kids do onto others. Discipline should be taught and the best teacher could still have a group students do acts like these boys have done. It's how the upbringing of the students that shows how they act. Unfortunately, upbringing in TERMS of wealth, does not hold to be good, but untouchable. Those kids believed they were untouchable. Second Lady or the best teacher of the USA, would still have issues with untouchable children. All this does, shows the school as a bullying class and a Second Lady workplace. Maybe she was involved, but seriously doubt it. It's sad a student was treated as such by his classmates and where are the apologies from those students parents?

[John Fante]

36. Junior Deplorables.

[avebury]

38. The family should insist that criminal

charges be brought against the boys. That is out right assault. If the school does not take action against the thugs the family should consider going after the school as well.

[AncientGeezer]

133. Should charges be brought against the girl for faking it?

[Hortensis]

40. Poor little thing. Those are not Christian values, and

ugly statements claiming they are have nothing to do with liberal values either.

Let's say no to bigotry based on religion. It's every bit as bad as that based on race.

We NEED those unhappy with what their party's become to join us as a far better choice, not look at us, be disgusted and turn away.

[Firestorm49]

41. I guess they just don't get that whole Jesus thing.

[redstatebluegirl]

43. I am sure "Mother" approved.

[AllaN01Bear]

45. i hope that the parents pulled the little girl out of there .

all this fancy talk about anti harrassment and bullying is nonsense .

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

48. Can you say

HUGE FUCKIN LAWSUIT? I know you can...…….

[yaesu]

49. just think of all the future monsters being raised by tRumpsters today. nt

[pwb]

50. Sounds like the Christian school of Satan.

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Opposite world .

[defacto7]

53. Satan?

[pwb]

61. Thanks

.

[wallyworld2]

51. That reminds me of good old Mitt

What is the defining image in the Washington Post’s story on Mitt Romney, as a student at the Cranbrook School, bullying a gay teen-age boy? Maybe it’s Romney, the eighteen-year-old son of a governor, spotting the student, John Lauber, with, as a classmate remembered, “bleached-blond hair that draped over one eye,” and saying, “He can’t look like that. That’s wrong. Just look at him!” Or Romney, a few days later, “marching out of his own room ahead of a prep school posse shouting about their plan to cut Lauber’s hair.” Or the Post’s description of the attack itself:


They came upon Lauber, tackled him and pinned him to the ground. As Lauber, his eyes filling with tears, screamed for help, Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/mitt-romney-bully

[KT2000]

52. my friend took her son

to a local church to see if it would be good for him. While he went off with his peers to a class a group boys, sons of deacons etc., beat him up. Maybe it had something to do with the fact he is mixed race?

[olegramps]

54. Does this really surprise anyone?

They teach intolerance as a dogma. Anyone who disagrees with their totally warped since of morality, such that gays are sick people who must be cured of their immorality, is to be not to be tolerated let alone be considered to anything other than damnable. Pence and his brainwashing wife are the corruptors of youth with teachings of intolerance. They are the scum of the earth and the very people Jesus condemned as white washed coffins that were inwardly rotten maggot infested phonies. The only people he condemned were the phony priests who went about putting heavy loads guilt on their fellow mankind.

[defacto7]

57. Evangelicals and dominionists... they're a scourge on society.

Their ignorant absolutism breeds every form of discrimination that plagues humanity. As long as the anti-human ideology they espouse exists we will have the seed of racism and discrimination that has dogged us throughout history.

[Gothmog]

58. Who is surprised by this?

Karen Pence is a religious nutcase and would have approved of this stunt

[AncientGeezer]

146. Asking for a friend....

Have you seen the update...from your twitter feed....the story is a lie?

[gopiscrap]

60. typical fucking private school

all private education and home schooling should be outlawed it is just a breeding ground for christo-nazis, racists and homophobes

[Dr. Strange]

97. Typical? Or stereotypical?

[AncientGeezer]

62. There's a major update to this story.....not a good 1.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/virginia-sixth-grader-now-says-she-falsely-accused-classmates-of-cutting-her-hair/2019/09/30/ad0cbd92-e390-11e9-a331-2df12d56a80b_story.html

[Jose Garcia]

65. It's a very good update

[Dr. Strange]

67. Good point.

Kinda weird to say, "It's too bad that it turns out she wasn't assaulted."

[AncientGeezer]

72. I meant for the "narrative" and the jump to judgement in the thread.

I intentionally stayed out of this when originally posted because of the once bitten twice shy syndrome I've developed.

Edit to add.....the g'parents rock...didn't hold back in the apology.

[cwydro]

74. Me too.

I suspected this was a “Smollett” from the beginning.

[stopdiggin]

103. and I SHOULD have, but didn't

that "benefit of the doubt" thing bit me on the a**. And I didn't catch the "slightly off" Should have (#101)

[Alea]

63. Not one "If true..." in the entire thread. nt

[Marengo]

64. In before the mea culpae

[sarisataka]

90. Those seem to be coming in

A bit slower than the condemnations. I wouldn't advise anyone hold their breath waiting for 5% of people to walk back their calls for immediate expulsion and/ or criminal charges.

[Catherine Vincent]

66. Don't they investigate these things before contacting the media?

[Jose Garcia]

68. Who do you mean by 'they?'

[stopdiggin]

105. presumably Newsweek

they will be regarded as "less creditable" following this in my book
(apology issued, #101)

[Catherine Vincent]

120. I'm assuming the school.

But who knows, maybe it spread without their knowing.

[shanti]

73. UPDATE!!

This was a false accusation by the girl

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/virginia-sixth-grader-now-says-she-falsely-accused-classmates-of-cutting-her-hair/2019/09/30/ad0cbd92-e390-11e9-a331-2df12d56a80b_story.html

[ffr]

113. That's bad!

[virgogal]

75. Now it's proven to be a lie---never happened.

[USALiberal]

76. Please self delete! Nt

[RhodeIslandOne]

82. No, edit updating the story

I’m sure everyone will come back to it and issue a mea culpa.

[AncientGeezer]

94. Yep..

[Polly Hennessey]

96. Be skeptical before believing

every accusation. Too quick to believe means you are often wrong. Gullible - get more information and facts before believing what someone says.

[Tipperary]

100. You should edit or delete your OP.

The girl made it all up.

[steventh]

104. update: girl recants

NYT headline:

Update: Virginia Girl Recants Story of Assault, and Family Apologizes

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/27/us/dreadlocks-cut-off-immanuel-christian-school.html

Was the girl intimidated into recanting an actual event or did it never happen?

[stopdiggin]

106. why add the last line? are you skeptical? (nt)

[steventh]

110. I'm keeping an open mind in case there's further information

There was a photo in the NYT update page, the link to which I included in my post. The photo showed dreadlocks that were quite uneven, lending credence to the story that bullies had cut them. Now the photo is no longer on that NYT page. That leaves me thinking that something dramatic did happen to the dreadlocks. Witnesses recant for many reasons. I don't see enough information yet to know what's behind the recanting.

[Jedi Guy]

111. Something dramatic like she cut them herself? N/T

[cwydro]

107. It never happened.

Grandparents have apologized.

[ChazII]

108. The story has been recanted

and the NAACP is asking for privacy for her family.

[Unbelievable]

109. Sometimes

Lots of People believe stories due to sympathy. I usually do. But Sometimes it's due to wanting an outcome.
Lots of White people are terrible. But just because some are, isn't a reason to paint them all. Jussie smollett is another example. Lots of people were mad at every white maga that wearing dude that they saw and now it looks like that whole thing was a lie.
But in the end, what scares me is the people who think of the fact these things didn't happen as some sort of a loss. This is a huge win for humanity. People aren't as bad as we thought. YAY. But we are instant to portray.

I am glad she didn't have to go through what she claimed and I am glad jussie didn't either. But I also feel sorry for the real victims here. The unfortunate thing the accused have in common is their skin color. This might be racism. And racism doesn't defeat racism. Play "shoe on the other foot" and see. We have enough racism in high places to go around for years. Let's try to get rid of it all together.

[Bonx]

112. What horrible behavior! But so predictable.

[Boomerproud]

115. It didn't happen.

nt

[sarisataka]

116. Which is the horrible, predictable behavior

A group of kids attacking a classmate and cutting her hair

Or

That it didn't happen and she made it up

Since the original story has been recanted I assume you mean making it up, but why is that predictable?

[Bonx]

121. Don't see anything about recanting in the OP. I don't believe she made it up.

[sarisataka]

123. From a post above

Update: Virginia Girl Recants Story of Assault, and Family Apologizes 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/27/us/dreadlocks-cut-off-immanuel-christian-school.html 

[ecstatic]

114. That's assault. I wonder if those boys were

arrested like the two black 6-year olds who were arrested last week?

[RhodeIslandOne]

117. In this case, the boys are imaginary.

[ecstatic]

118. Perhaps. But there are times when victims recant

due to pressure from other parties.

[guillaumeb]

131. The imaginary boys?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212526107

The girl made it up.

[Alea]

119. Thread has been rec'd 6 times since being debunked

A few have posted that maybe she was coerced into recanting. OP has posted on the forum since the recanting story broke but hasn't edited the OP with the new story. Some folks wanted this story to be true way to much

[Luciferous]

122. They should be charged with assault and expelled from school!

[Alea]

124. She should be charged with lying and expelled from school...

Fixed it for you. She lied about the whole thing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/virginia-sixth-grader-now-says-she-falsely-accused-classmates-of-cutting-her-hair/2019/09/30/ad0cbd92-e390-11e9-a331-2df12d56a80b_story.html

[Luciferous]

125. Wow, she should be expelled.

[Alea]

126. I'm betting they forgive her

The 3 boys would have been expelled for assault if it had been true but I'm betting the school, and the 3 boys, show forgiveness. I don't really know how to feel about that but I'm thinking it goes that way.

[guillaumeb]

127. This has been debunked numerous times in the responses here.

So what is the point in not acknowledging that?

[snowybirdie]

137. Today it was announced

that the student recanted her accusations and apologized to the students involved. Can't link, heard it on AP radio news.

[samnsara]

143. well hell they left out that juicy tidbit last night on the news...

..Christians MY FOOT! Im atheist and Im more Christian than they are!

[sarisataka]

144. True, it is not Christian to bear false witness

But the apology seems sincere and heartfelt. I would forgive if I were one of the offended parties.

[Hekate]

145. Today CNN has debunked the story. Her parents have apologized profusely.

Sorry but someone else will have to find the link. I’m reading and posting from my phone at the moment.