Nancy was asked.. ".. If Impeachment could Backfire?"

[Cha]

Link to tweet

To Nancy!

[Cha]

1. She's a true patriot in the face of party zealots.

Link to tweet

[Me.]

4. She Always Has The Perfect Answer, Doesn't She?

to Nancy

[Cha]

36. Nancy is Brilliant! She

She has had such a major part in where we are today!.. Through thick and thin.

Mahalo, Me!.. to Nancy

[Hermit-The-Prog]

32. absolutely!

I get tired of comments saying impeachment is a political act. It was for the GOPers, but that doesn't mean it has to be or should be.

Impeachment is a bitter remedy to a situation which has no other.

[Cha]

54. Nancy says it best, Hermit..

Texas Tribune Festival: Nancy Pelosi to President Donald Trump: "You've come into my wheelhouse now"

In her most extensive interview about impeachment since she announced plans to open an inquiry this week, Pelosi described herself as "heartbroken" over the revelation that President Donald Trump asked the Ukrainian president to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden. White House disclosures of the conversation — and that Trump withheld military aid from Ukraine prior to the conversation — unleashed a firestorm in Washington last week.

"I think right now there is a cover-up of a cover-up," she said.

When asked why she moved from the strongest backstop against impeachment to the leader of the effort, she chose brevity: "The facts."

"I have handled this with great care, with moderation, with great attention to what we knew was a fact and what was an allegation.

Yes.. behind the scenes that those dissing and insulting Nancy, and the Dems working closely with her, seemingly didn't even think about.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/09/28/nancy-pelosi-discusses-impeachment/

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212521375

[myohmy2]

46. +1

"She's a true patriot..."

...yes she is...

...

[TwilightZone]

2. There really is no choice.

Trump has done everything but beg to be impeached, and I'm not 100% certain that it's not in fact what he's angling for so he can play the victim.

In fact, I've said since he took office that he's been trying to get impeached but the people who could do something about it didn't care. Before January, that was all in the purview of the Republicans. If not for the midterms (and Nancy), we're not here.

[Cha]

9. trump has broken the law again and again.. and

he's finally admitted it along with his "super" lawyer the Ghouli.

Nancy absolutely had no choice.. it's the patriotic, ethical choice to make.

Here's hoping if trump did want to be impeached to play the victim that it will backfire on him

Mahalo, TwilightZone

[homegirl]

69. Of course it will backfire

on him. No matter what the outcome Donald is rapidly losing his usefulness to Putin. His days are numbered.

[Cha]

70. At the polls, too!

[MustLoveBeagles]

3. This is what a real leader looks like

[Cha]

30. Yes, Beagles! And, we have the opportunity to

get to this Impeachment point in big part because of Nancy Pelosi!

She advised Dems running in 2018 to run on Health Care and here we are!

[sheshe2]

5. This.

“It doesn’t matter,” she said. “He has given us no choice. Politics has nothing to do with impeachment, in my view.”

To Nancy. Country first.

[Cha]

10. And, now it's not. Oh please tell

you're not trying to diss Nancy Pelosi?

[KPN]

12. Yup.

[LeftInTX]

16. We have a new incident and new evidence

The Mueller Report did not provide a smoking gun for impeachment. Any prosecutor knows you don't try crimes without decent evidence.

[Cha]

49. Thank you for explaining that to him, LeftInTX!

[bucolic_frolic]

18. Impeachment is like getting married

You'd best work out doubts beforehand. A reluctant bride ensures unending pursuit all the way to the altar, and a spouse who feels lucky to have bagged a good catch.

[Cha]

50. Exactly bucolic_frolic.. you don't Leap

before you Look at all the evidence piling up before you.. and now is that time! Mahalo!

[sheshe2]

20. And until this week she DID NOT HAVE THE VOTES!

[Cha]

48. Amazing how some are still trying to

diss Nancy Pelosi with all she's done to get us to this point in history

Thank you, she!

[melman]

7. "He has given us no choice"

Interesting. I keep hearing about a grand strategy but here she says there was no choice.

[George II]

13. You're mixing up thoughts and timeline. Plus do you think she tells the press EVERYTHING?

Ever think that what she said is all part of that grand strategy?

[Cha]

17. Nancy's in charge and she's doing it beautifully

whether you try to diss her or not.

[sheshe2]

19. Ah, Melman.

You have been so quiet with all that has been happening. You have been off line and missed the news? Let me fill ya in. The pResident met with 3 Russians is a private meeting in 2017. Word is he said he had no problem with their meddling in the 2016 elections as they all stood around laughing.

Another fact you missed. The transcript is out! tRump asked for an investigation from Ukraine. He wanted made up details about Hunter Biden. He threatened to withhold aide to the Ukraine, an ally, for a favor. A favor to get information on a political opponent to once again let him steal the election.

All of this is unlawful and an unconstitutional abuse of power. Correct. She had no choice but call for an formal impeachment inquiry. She is a brilliant and courageous woman that counted every damn vote before she did. You seem to think her stupid. She is not. She made her move only after she had the votes to do so.

melman
7. "He has given us no choice"

Interesting. I keep hearing about a grand strategy but here she says there was no choice.

We had one chance to do this. One. This was planned. Well choregraphed. And she had the power of the Democratic Congress behind her.

Sorry you are so displeased with her abilities.

PS, You should listen to her speech. She was magnificent and did not rely on tweets to deliver her message. She is bold and spoke directly to the American people.

[Cha]

23. Well Done, she! Thank you so much.. Everyone

should watch Nancy's speech it was chilling!

[melman]

27. I'll ignore your attempts to bait me and I'll just tell you this...

Master plans don't rely on whistleblowers.

[George II]

29. Yes they do. Have you ever heard of "Deep Throat"? Google him.

[sheshe2]

38. I am not baiting you.

I am replying to you. You answered me first. I made a comment. You answered and I responded.

Ignore what you wish.

melman
27. I'll ignore your attempts to bait me and I'll just tell you this...

Master plans don't rely on whistleblowers.

If you think that all this began with a whistleblower, then sadly you have not been paying attention. This has been going on for years with the start of the Mueller Investigations. You think Congress is not watching the idiot in the WH? I beg to differ.

Master plans don't rely on whistleblowers.

A bit of history.

Martha Mitchell: The Woman Nobody Believed About Watergate


Martha Mitchell, wife of Attorney General John Mitchell, was the first Watergate whistleblower — but she was silenced, discredited, and all but forgotten.


Whistleblowing is a lonely road. Without knowing whether the public will deem them heroes or traitors — or even believe their claims at all — whistleblowers take an incredible risk with no certain payoff.

And if you happen to be a known gossip reporting unprecedentedly corrupt acts committed by high-ranking government officials who are deeply trusted by the public at large? Then you’re definitely in trouble.

Martha Mitchell did exactly that — and paid the price. And the details of her nearly forgotten fame and misfortune as a whistleblower during the early days of the Watergate era, including the deplorable treatment she received at the hands of U.S. government and men working on its behalf, are hard to believe to this day.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/martha-mitchell

[George II]

39. Great research and recall. Martha Mitchell and Mark Felt ("Deep Throat")....

....both whistle blowers, along with Alexander Butterfield, another whistle blower with respect to the Oval Office tapes, brought down Nixon.

Some like to bluster, but they really should study history some more.

[sheshe2]

40. Agreed.

Some should study the history. Martha Mitchell was vilified at the hands of some very strong men.

Thanks, George.

[George II]

41. ....

[sheshe2]

45. Ummmmmmm

Hmmmmmmmmmm.

[betsuni]

47. Drunk History did an episode about Martha Mitchell:

I had forgotten all about it until saw this a few weeks ago.

[sheshe2]

59. I will watch, betsuni.

Thank you.

[coeur_de_lion]

62. Good old Martha was the best thing about the Watergate scandal

[link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/03/21/im-political-prisoner-how-martha-mitchell-became-george-conway-nixon-era/|

For some, her commentary could go too far. In the Slate podcast “Slow Burn,” Leon Neyfakh describes Nixon at one point telling his chief of staff, “We need to turn off Martha.”

In the spring of 1972, John Mitchell resigned as attorney general to become Nixon’s campaign manager for his reelection. And in June, Martha joined her husband in California for several campaign events. It was there, on the night of June 17, that John Mitchell got a call about some arrests made at the Watergate Hotel.

According to Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, Mitchell realized that if his wife found out that she knew one of the men arrested, James McCord, she might become upset and tell reporters about it, thus tipping them off to the connection between the burglars and the president. So as he headed back to Washington, he instructed security guards working for the campaign to keep his wife in the dark in California — and to stop her from calling members of the media.

But find out she did, and just as her husband predicted, she soon called UPI’s Helen Thomas.

“I’m sick and tired of the whole operation,” she said, before telling Thomas she was giving her husband an “ultimatum” — her or Nixon.

[BlueMississippi]

44. "bait" is the keyword

"Falling hook, line and sinker" is the key phrase - although it is not explicitly stated.

[sheshe2]

82. OMG!

Another whistleblower today!

melman
27. I'll ignore your attempts to bait me and I'll just tell you this...

Master plans don't rely on whistleblowers.

Question. If whistleblowers don't mean shit then why did donnie call for them to be executed?

Diplomats ‘Stunned’ After Trump Attacks Whistleblower’s Sources, Suggests Death Penalty

https://theguardiansofdemocracy.com/diplomats-stunned-after-trump-attacks-whistleblowers-sources-suggests-death-penalty/

[melman]

83. "If whistleblowers don't mean shit"

Who said this?

[sheshe2]

84. You implied it.

[melman]

85. I certainly did not

You missed the point I was making. That's okay.

I mean it was a rather obvious one but I suppose we get what we get.

[sheshe2]

86. I noticed you never responded to George or myself about whistleblowers.

Not once only now to say you were misunderstood.

Two days ago.

[melman]

87. And?

Am I required to respond to every post? I don't think so.


You totally missed the point but it's not my job to spell it out. And I'm not going to.

[sheshe2]

88. Nighty night, melman.

You made me laugh. Thanks. I needed one.

[melman]

89. More insults

That's nice.

[sheshe2]

90. What insults?

[melman]

91. Oh

Am I supposed to pretend your posts aren't loaded with insults? I'm not going to do that.

[sheshe2]

25. Here is a longer quote.

Pelosi: Impeachment worth losing House in 2020 (article/video)
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/463527-pelosi-impeachment-worth-losing-house-in-2020


During an interview at Tribune Fest, hosted by the Texas Tribune, Pelosi argued that following Congress' mandate to hold the president accountable is more important than politics.

"Heading into the next election cycle, do you have any anxiety at all about any of the stuff we're talking about...impacting your ability to hold control of the House in 2020?" Tribune CEO Evan Smith asked.

"It doesn’t matter," Pelosi responded. "Our first responsibility is to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

"People say you have to take a political risk doing that," she continued. "That doesn't matter. That doesn't matter. Because we cannot have a president of the United States undermining his oath of office, his loyalty to his oath of office, undermining our national security, and undermining the integrity of our elections."

-snip-

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212520964

[highplainsdem]

28. Nancy just did the political equivalent of catching the perfect wave, one that will

take us much farther -- and let us do much more damage to Trump even if the Senate won't cooperate -- than any other political wave some Democrats were urging her to catch.

Her instincts, and her patience, were just what we needed.

[Cha]

51. Beautiful analogy, highplainsdem!

Nancy had a big part in getting us our Blue Wave House Victory so we could even be having this impeachment inquiries conversation.

And, now I just read Nancy said.. the tide is turning and more people are in favor of Impeachment investigations.

[JonLP24]

94. There were people against impeachment because they were worried that it would backfire and she is

making a similar argument I would make. I have been #impeachtrump for a long time. Now there's obvious collusion and you can add China into it .

There were also fears that impeachment would fire up Trump's base but those arguments have disappeared now that Pelosi came out for impeachment.

[BlueMississippi]

43. That could be just for media consumption.

She is not going to spill her strategy for the world to see.

[Cha]

52. No kidding.. Some have to

think Outside the BOX!

Mahalo, BliueMississippi!

[George II]

61. One more thing, are you against her decision to open an impeachment investigation? Seems so.

[ehrnst]

80. Well, it would be very unwise of her to reveal the Dem strategy on impeachment, wouldn't it?

As big a mistake as including Speaker Pelosi the Ukraine phone call talking points, don't you think?

[Cha]

81. Thank you, ehrnst! Crickets, though.

[stopbush]

8. You know you're on the right track when the pundits warn you that

what you’re doing could backfire.

Ever notice that no one ever expresses concerns that something the Rs did might backfire? Why is that?

[Cha]

42. Yeah, why is that?! All of trump's

attempts to bring on Impeachment charges have final brought them with his admitting he committed extortion.. why shouldn't it backfire on him?

[Kitchari]

11. She called it

"Self-impeaching" - tried to paste the link from WaPo but could not do it on my phone

[Cha]

66. Thank you, Kitchari! ".. self-impeaching.." is

exactly what it is!

[Kitchari]

71. Thanks, Cha

Truth is stronger than lies

[Cha]

73. It's got to be.. we're all so

way beyond sick of the thousands and thousands of LIES.

[bucolic_frolic]

14. Nancy Pelosi's take on this is remarkable

Most people say impeachment is a political act, because it involves politicians and Congress. But on closer examination, impeachment of Bill Clinton was political because it was cooked up.

THIS, today, as she states, is not political because it the violations of law are so clear, and Democrats are cloaking themselves in the Constitution, just as framers intended. Remarkable take on today.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

35. just posted something similar before reading all comments

Glad I'm not the only one thinking it shouldn't be for political purposes. It's about high crimes and misdemeanors that can't be dealt with any other way.

[Cha]

75. Yes.. just brilliant!

[Poiuyt]

15. Exactly!

[Cha]

65. Thank you, Poiuyt!

[BlancheSplanchnik]

21. Too cool! 👏🏾

[Cha]

67. Aloha, Blanche!

Mahalo!

[betsuni]

22. K&R

[Cha]

68. Mahalo, betsuni!

:gropuhug:

[spanone]

24. K&R...👍🏼

[Cha]

74. Aloha, spanone!

Mahalo

[highplainsdem]

26. Great post! Thanks, Cha! K&R!

[Cha]

78. To Nancy!

[Politicub]

31. +1

[Cha]

79. Mahalo, Politicub!

[ffr]

33. 1. What a stupid question to ask, at a time when we have a rogue WH.

2. Yes, it has already backfired on tRump and his cabal as witnessed by the quick positive reaction from those who have joined democrats in favor of the impeachment inquiry.
3. And 3, what an AWESOME ANSWER!!!

[Cha]

92. Well said, ffr! Yes it was and Awesome reply

from Nancy Pelosi!

Thank you!

[ismnotwasm]

34. Wow.

One hell of a woman

[Cha]

93. Isn't she!

Nancy Pelosi!

ismnotwasm

[blakstoneranger]

37. She's Absolutely Right!!

She has given him every chance. She is the only reason he hasn't been impeached up til now. She has been holding everybody back for months since the release of the mueller report. Like they say in the military, "I'll give him just enough rope to hang himself!" Well...

[DFW]

53. Hah! She read the David Brooks column, and spat it back in his face.

Brooks, ever the Republican partisan, despite brief moments of lucidity, argued against impeachment since it wasn't a legal requirement, but rather a political option, and Pelosi was not a prosecutor obliged by law to pursue a crime shown to have been committed.

Brooks probably justifies Russia's invasion of the eastern Ukraine by saying it was in self-defense.

[NYMinute]

55. Great post K&R

Some people's responses against speaker Pelosi make me want to go --

[willyholmesspoelder]

56. I like Mrs.Nancy Pelosi.

As a Dutch national, not ever *politically* inclined, nor involved, of course I do have a mind, try to keep an open one too.
Mrs.Pelosi's Dutch son in law happens to be a regular guest on a Dutch late night talkshow, actually EXPLAINING a few things about American Politics, and with a LOT of common sense and SENSE of (realistic) humour.
Bottomline: America is going through eventful historic times!

[willyholmesspoelder]

57. I like Mrs.Nancy Pelosi.

I like Mrs. Pelosi.

[FakeNoose]

58. Like Speaker Pelosi said - Chump is impeaching himself

If it hadn't been his Ukraine corruption, it would have been something else just as bad.

More stuff is coming out every day, and it all stinks to high heaven.

[calimary]

60. Because sometimes you're compelled to do what's right.

NOT what’s politically expedient.

She’s right (as usual). He’s given us no choice. The magnitude and severity - and blatant shamelessness - of the crimes here have all dictated as much. We can’t do otherwise.

The “but but but Hillary...” shit that the opposition keeps trying to resurrect - is nothing but attempted distraction and deflection in desperation. Definitely “3-D.”

[coeur_de_lion]

63. Nancy wanted impeachment only under ideal circumstances (public support)

But tRump pushed it way too far with the call to the Ukraine.

The call is the smoking gun and there are likely lots more where that came from.

You would think that the Mueller report with 10 counts of obstruction would be enough but Barr intervened and we may never see the full report.

tRump is such a doofus and so ham handed with his mafia like tactics there has to be a dozen or so examples like the Ukraine call.

I hope all the people who say the dam has burst are right, and all the stool pigeons are going to come out of the woodwork.

[c-rational]

64. Perfect answer.

[Garrett78]

72. That's the best way to answer that question. But, of course, it could backfire.

I'm cautiously optimistic that it won't. As long as Dems turn up a lot more hard evidence and get some very damaging testimony (causing support for impeachment to continue to rise), we'll come out on top even if the Senate doesn't convict.

But one can't overestimate the ignorance of the American public and the evilness of the GOP, so there is a chance this could backfire.

That said, Pelosi is right that there's no choice. Without impeachment, Dems set a precedent that says a president can do anything he/she wants to do. In a sane country, Trump never would have sniffed the nomination. In an even remotely sane country, Trump would have been thrown out of office back in 2017. But the US is like a giant insane asylum and we are fighting to survive.

[PoliticAverse]

76. If it backfires you did it wrong. n/t

[Cha]

77. Anything can happen.. I'm not

going to blame anything on Nancy.. she's doing her due diligence.