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Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:06 PM

Trump's Use Of The Word "Perfect"......

Trump is throwing around the word "Perfect" when he speaks of his call to the Ukraine president.

I don't know why it bothers me - but there is something 'imperfect' about his use of that word.

Why did he settle on 'perfect'? Why does he keep repeating it? Is there any significance behind his use of the word
"perfect"?

Does his use of the word "perfect" bother anyone else here?

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Reply Trump's Use Of The Word "Perfect"...... (Original post)
global1 Oct 2019 OP
NightWatcher Oct 2019 #1
hedda_foil Oct 2019 #2
global1 Oct 2019 #6
captain queeg Oct 2019 #3
nolabear Oct 2019 #4
lunatica Oct 2019 #16
dhol82 Jan 2020 #29
lunatica Jan 2020 #31
virgogal Oct 2019 #5
Kingofalldems Oct 2019 #18
Faux pas Oct 2019 #7
USALiberal Oct 2019 #8
dweller Oct 2019 #9
lunatica Oct 2019 #10
smirkymonkey Oct 2019 #24
Merlot Jan 2020 #28
Blue Owl Oct 2019 #11
unblock Oct 2019 #12
A HERETIC I AM Oct 2019 #21
Pacifist Patriot Oct 2019 #13
lastlib Oct 2019 #14
Iwasthere Oct 2019 #15
flibbitygiblets Oct 2019 #17
lapislzi Oct 2019 #19
dewsgirl Oct 2019 #20
kentuck Oct 2019 #22
tblue37 Oct 2019 #23
Pat Loyer Jan 2020 #25
mopinko Jan 2020 #34
Mike 03 Jan 2020 #35
Faux pas Jan 2020 #26
dewsgirl Jan 2020 #27
3catwoman3 Jan 2020 #30
Ohiogal Jan 2020 #32
stillcool Jan 2020 #33
Mike 03 Jan 2020 #36

Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:09 PM

1. It's like it's a dismissive "fine" but with his typical grandiose exaggeration

There will be Abnormal Psych classes entirely based on trump.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:10 PM

2. It means something important to him, obviously. I think it goes all the way back to his childhood.

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Response to hedda_foil (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:12 PM

6. Good Theory.....

Perhaps it was his father demanding that he be 'perfect' when he was a kid

I don't know why - but I think too that there is something 'psychologically' going on in his head by the use of the word 'perfect'.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:11 PM

3. You keep saying that word. I don't think in means what you think it does

-Indyo Montoya from Princess Bride

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:11 PM

4. In my professional opinion he is so crazed he can't think of words.

I think perfection is the only thing he can imagine himself to be. And he knows he’s drowning. He knows how much danger he’s in and it’s completely possible for people to compartmentalize thoughts that can’t exist together. But they don’t tend to be erudite at such times. He’s a very, very loud deer in the headlights.

And btw he’s very, very dangerous. If I was counseling family I’d encourage them to get out of the house.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:23 PM

16. His family are the lifelong victims of Trump's narcissism

Imagine what it was like to be a small child around that man. They would be forced to please him, to show allegiance only to him, to submit to him in everything. There is no mystery as to why his daughter acts like a plastic toy with every single move being so painfully deliberate. In a deep psychological way she was forced to please him, or suffer the consequences that we see him using now against everyone.

And his sons had it worse. To this day they exist to please him.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 05:05 PM

29. I still say that those three kids have Stockholm Syndrome

That’s the only way they could survive.

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Response to dhol82 (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 05:11 PM

31. Your description is perfect!

It describes their relationship to him to a “t”.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:12 PM

5. Doesn't bother me....who cares?

 

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Response to virgogal (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:25 PM

18. It's a lie.

So I care.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:13 PM

7. Every

word the pecker wood says bothers me. I change the channel when I see his deranged face.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:14 PM

8. What does "Perfect" even mean? Nt

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:15 PM

9. his use of words

in general is highly annoying to me...
if he strokes, make it his ability to speak pls


😘

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:15 PM

10. Yes. There is something his use of perfect is pointing to.

In the past his language seems to give away something we find out later.

As chaotic as Trump is, he is predictable when you know him long enough. And one of the most predictable things he does is ‘talk in code’. He doesn’t come out and say things directly, but I’ve known for a long time that when he speaks publicly, like to the media, he is always talking TO his base.

That explains why he’s hinting at civil war now. He’s doing his code talk.

His code talk is so no one can implicate him in anything that happens. He can claim innocence or that he’s just kidding.

So yeah, I’m waiting to see what the code word ‘perfect’ is about.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:47 PM

24. I agree. There was something that seemed strange about his use of that word right off the bat.

It just seems like an odd word to use in that instance. Almost meaningless.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 05:05 PM

28. "Perfect" allows everyone to project their own meaning

He can say "perfect" and his supporters will hear "legal" or "lawful."

When I hear "perfect" I think of trumpft getting everything he want's from the call, he thinks the won.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:17 PM

11. It's a projection of his grandiose hubris

If only he knew how ridiculous he sounds... The joke's totally on him.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:17 PM

12. it's consistent with his pathological need to exaggerate.

his buildings aren't good, they're the greatest in the world.
if a number is involved, such as his net worth, every time he tells the story the number goes up.
he claimed he was the healthiest president ever.

same story here.

the phone call didn't merely comply with relevant legal and ethical standards, it was "perfect".

it's a superlative that doesn't apply, but donnie needs to emphasize things, so he goes for a super-superlative. "perfect" is that kind of adjective, even if it doesn't really apply to not violating legal and ethical rules.



when we were trying to start a family, we had some difficulties, and i we had some tests done.
the doctor said i had "super sperm". i laughed because i immediately saw what he was doing. i know there's no such thing as "super sperm", there's either a problem or there's not a problem. not having a problem is merely "normal". but typical male egos much prefer hearing a term like "super sperm", so that's the term they use in that office for what i would call "normal".

donnie's the same way, except he does it mostly to flatter himself, not others.

so the phone call wasn't "normal" or "completely appropriate", because that's not good enough.

hence, "perfect".


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Response to unblock (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:32 PM

21. "It was the most beautiful chocolate cake YOU have ever seen"

He uses the word "beautiful" in the same way.

If he has his way and somehow survives and is reelected, this country is fucking doomed.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:19 PM

13. It has hit me like nails down a blackboard from the first time he uttered it.

The adjective makes absolutely no sense in the context of a phone call like that. It does, however, make sense coming from someone who grew up fruitlessly yearning for approval he never got from his parents.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:20 PM

14. I think in his mind, it means....

he said nothing that could legally be construed as something for which he could be prosecuted, and that he got exactly what he wanted from Zelensky.

In my mind, it means "totally corrupt and criminal in every regard."

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:21 PM

15. Bothers the shit of me

Intelligent people understand how odd its use is. Exactly why his followers buy it, and even like it.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:24 PM

17. He got a "perfect" performance review from Vlad

"Great job holding up funds to keep Russia from further invading Ukraine, while corrupting both their and your own government at the same time! Perfect job performance, comrade!"

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:26 PM

19. All his bizarre word choices are disturbing

"Beautiful," and "horrible," and "unfair!" These are the hallmarks of a deeply disordered mind. They're also tells of some sort, as is any sentence alleging that a citizen called him "sir,"...but I don't know what of. That's the most disturbing thing of all.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:27 PM

20. He seemed to downgrade "perfect" and "beautiful" to

"Very good" this morning in a tweet. But nope "perfect" it is.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:35 PM

22. When he says "Perfect"...

In his mind, he means it is "legal". There was nothing wrong with it.

He probably actually believes it.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:43 PM

23. Yes, I commented about it a few days ago on DU. I also pointed out that it's an example of

perseveration, which is something Trump suffers from generally and is a sign of deteriorating cognitive function.

Perseveration

Perseveration according to psychology, psychiatry, and speech-language pathology, is the repetition of a particular response regardless of the absence or cessation of a stimulus. It is usually caused by a brain injury or other organic disorder. Symptoms include "lacking ability to transition or switch ideas appropriately with the social context, as evidenced by the repetition of words or gestures after they have ceased to be socially relevant or appropriate", or the "act or task of doing so", and are not better described as stereotypy.


Once he chooses a word (no matter how odd or inappropriate the word might be), he can't stop returning to that word. The same thing happens with ideas. He harps endlessly on a word or an idea, even in the most inappropriate circumstances.

I have said all along that he shows signs of dementia. His father's Alzheimer's started manifesting its early signs around age 70, and I think that is what we are seeing with Trump.

Don't forget how often we have seen him wander off in confusion in a way that strongly suggests sundowning. BTW, his lack of inhibition and impulse control in public also suggest dementia. He has always been a malignant narcissist and an a-hole, but he could pretend to be relatively normal in public, but now, with all the cameras in the world focused on him, he can't even pretend when to do so would benefit him.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 04:14 PM

25. the dangerous case of Donald Trump

Dr. Bandy Lee, a forensic psychiatrist at the Yale School of Medicine, and editor of the book, The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump, has expanded the theory of "shared psychosis." This theory is most applicable to families that have a mentally ill member. However, society can suffer from a shared psychosis when a leader is mentally ill. We see evidence of this among Trump's most ardent supporters, regardless of his obvious instability.

Interestingly, Dershowitz used "perfect" to describe his sex life.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/alan-dershowitz-may-have-a-shared-psychosis-with-trump-yale-psychiatrist-says-there-is-even-proof/

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Response to Pat Loyer (Reply #25)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:22 AM

34. in a righteous world, dr lee would give the sotu response.

we know he is gonna be buggier than ever, either way, but esp if the trial is still going on.

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Response to Pat Loyer (Reply #25)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:51 AM

35. Dr. Jerrold Post's new book "Dangerous Charisma" has an interesting way of looking at this.

He argues that the charismatic leader and the (narcissistically-injured) followers need or even "create" each other. Trump needs constant reinforcement for his damaged ego, and his audience needs a reassuring father figure to tell them everything is okay and "I can fix it all." They feed off each other. I've been saying it's like two parasites locked in a kiss.

"Dangerous Charisma" is good but "Dangerous Case" is better IMO. There is an essay by Post in the updated and expanded "Dangerous Case" in which he lays out his analogy.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 04:20 PM

26. It's stable genious

speak for "I'm a lying liar from liarville". Easy peasy.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 04:21 PM

27. I hate when he says, a beautiful phone call.

Who describes a phone call, with either word? It's bizzare, he is one weird dude.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 05:06 PM

30. A perfect meal, a perfect date, a perfect...

...haircut, the perfect outfit for a special occasion - all those would make sense.

WTF is a “perfect” phone call? You dialed the right number? The reception was clear? You didn’t get disconnected?

His vocabulary sucks.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 05:24 PM

32. It's like

he only knows X number of adjectives so he uses inappropriate ones most of the time.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 05:55 PM

33. he likes to embellish his lies...

I think it's like talking louder to get your point across.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:54 AM

36. His vocabulary is so impoverished.

But I do think it's his way of insisting that reality is different than it actually is.

Dr. Bandy Lee would likely translate Trump's use of the word as "imperfect" or "deeply flawed."

"The telephone call was deeply flawed and everyone knows it."

"I had two terrible phone calls, two of the worst phones calls ever had with world leaders." (from his press event the other day).

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