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mcar

(46,055 posts)
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 12:28 PM Oct 2019

Pierce: This Is a John Le Carre Novel Starring the Marx Brothers. It's Also a Smoking Arsenal.

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This Is a John Le Carré Novel Starring the Marx Brothers. It's Also a Smoking Arsenal.
Every Republican in Congress now looks like a fool or a crook. There is no third alternative.

BY CHARLES P. PIERCE
OCT 4, 2019

What the hell do we call this? The smoking arsenal?

The release of a motherlode of criminal evidence in the form of texts between various inmates at Camp Runamuck, all of which concerns the president*'s attempt to extort Ukraine into helping him ratfck the 2020 election, establishes the guilt of the president* beyond the shadow of a doubt. In the released material, you can see a whole brigade of hapless functionaries stumbling from one crime to another, fully aware that they are doing so, and concocting strategies on the fly to carry out the president*'s criminal orders. You read for yourself how they all ended up toadying to Rudy Giuliani's insane "mission" to Kiev. It's like reading a John Le Carré novel starring the Marx Brothers.

The simple politics of the release is pure genius. On Thursday, former envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker briefed House investigators on the matter. Around midday, presidential* lawn ornaments Rep. Jim Jordan and Rep. Mark Meadows threw themselves at a microphone to deliver the Nothing To See Here party line. Then, the texts were released and now every single Republican in the Congress looks like a fool or a crook. There's no third alternative.

But the politics of it are a lesser concern. The conduct revealed in the texts is as subversive as anything undertaken by any KGB operative in the high days of the Cold War. The president* set the government of the United States against itself, and he used a vulnerable ally to do so. He could have travelled the world shooting our ambassadors personally and done less damage. Nobody will trust American diplomats again for a very long time, nor should they....

I have no sympathy for any of these people, and neither should you. They sold their souls to a crook and a charlatan who may well be half-mad into the bargain. They sold out the diplomatic status of the country in service to a lunatic conspiracy theory that was the obsession of a president* who believes anything his favorite TV commentators tell him. They sold out an embattled ally in order to aid in the reelection of a president* against whom this country may not survive in recognizable form.

On Thursday, just as the current storm was rising, the president* tweeted of his "absolute right" to conduct foreign policy in this manner. No president has an "absolute right" to do fck-all. The longer this man is allowed to infect this republic, the more it will change into something very different. He cannot be allowed to remain in office and, god help us, he cannot be reelected. That would be the end of things.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a29365548/trump-ukraine-texts-diplomats-smoking-gun/

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Pierce: This Is a John Le Carre Novel Starring the Marx Brothers. It's Also a Smoking Arsenal. (Original Post) mcar Oct 2019 OP
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Oct 2019 #1
Priceless Pierce. MFGsunny Oct 2019 #2
Charlie Pierce, in top kick-ass form. (nt) Paladin Oct 2019 #3
Accented characters don't appear in thread titles. MineralMan Oct 2019 #4
K & R to infinity..... dhill926 Oct 2019 #5
Charlie, please don't MurrayDelph Oct 2019 #6
It's like reading a John Le Carr novel starring the Marx Brothers. ExciteBike66 Oct 2019 #7
Another frickin great piece from Pierce that everyone should see liberalla Oct 2019 #8
I would say staring the Three Stooges Buckeyeblue Oct 2019 #9
K&R...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 spanone Oct 2019 #10

MFGsunny

(2,356 posts)
2. Priceless Pierce.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 12:37 PM
Oct 2019

Am letting it all sink in ............... OP title ::

This Is a John Le Carre Novel Starring the Marx Brothers. It's Also a Smoking Arsenal.

MineralMan

(151,259 posts)
4. Accented characters don't appear in thread titles.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 12:49 PM
Oct 2019

Just type John Le Carre and it will show up, but without the accent.

dhill926

(16,953 posts)
5. K & R to infinity.....
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 01:09 PM
Oct 2019

he is correct. We rid ourselves of anus orange....or we lose the country...

MurrayDelph

(5,749 posts)
6. Charlie, please don't
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 01:20 PM
Oct 2019

besmirch The Marx Brothers (or Three Stooges, for that matter), as the boys always fought for the rights of the downtrodden.

At best, it would be a team-up of either Will Ferrell and John C Riley, or Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels.

ExciteBike66

(2,700 posts)
7. It's like reading a John Le Carr novel starring the Marx Brothers.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 01:23 PM
Oct 2019

Or one could just say it's like reading "The Looking Glass War" by Le Carre. The protagonists in that one are so inept that the East Germans think it is a prank at first.

liberalla

(11,088 posts)
8. Another frickin great piece from Pierce that everyone should see
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 03:43 PM
Oct 2019

Also from the article:

From NBC News:

In fact, the only U.S. official included in the text messages who pushes back is a career diplomat, William Taylor, who became the top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine after Trump pulled Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch out of her post earlier this year. Yovanovitch’s ouster has become another topic of key interest to Democratic lawmakers in their impeachment inquiry.

“Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?” Taylor wrote, using an acronym for the White House, after Trump canceled a planned meeting with Zelenskiy in Poland. A week later, he told Sondland: “As I said on the phone, I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.” Sondland, several hours later, pushed back, telling Taylor that Trump “has been crystal clear, no quid pro quos of any kind.” He suggests they stop discussing the matter via text message.


That certainly sounds legitimate to me. Sondland is Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union. Now, Ukraine is not a member of the European Union. So what, you may wonder, is Sondland's dog in this fight. Clearly, he was one of the White House messenger boys in the extortion and bribery plot that was unfolding all around West Asia. And the conspicuous "no quid pro quo," followed immediately by a suggestion that they no longer put these perfectly innocent requests into writing, would be comic if the stakes weren't so very high.


From The New York Times:

Mr. Volker told the House investigators that the Ukrainians had earlier proposed language promising a statement on fighting corruption that did not specifically mention Burisma and 2016. When Mr. Giuliani was shown that original language, Mr. Volker told the House, he indicated to Mr. Volker that it was not sufficient and said the Ukrainians should be asked for specific public commitments to investigate Burisma and 2016.

By Mr. Volker’s account, according to the person familiar with his testimony, he was eventually told by Mr. Yermak that the Ukrainian government could not agree to the language being sought by Mr. Giuliani. Mr. Volker told Mr. Yermak that he was right, and the idea was dropped, according to the account Mr. Volker provided the House.



Buckeyeblue

(6,351 posts)
9. I would say staring the Three Stooges
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 04:16 PM
Oct 2019

The Marx Brothers had great wit and a sense of self. The Three Stooges screwed up everything the touched with great self-confidence.

spanone

(141,602 posts)
10. K&R...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 04:17 PM
Oct 2019
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