Sat Oct 5, 2019, 03:56 PM
mountain grammy (25,138 posts)
Michael Moore on Facebook reviewing JokerOn Wednesday night I attended the New York Film Festival and witnessed a cinematic masterpiece, the film that last month won the top prize as the Best Film of the Venice International Film Festival. It’s called “Joker” — and all we Americans have heard about this movie is that we should fear it and stay away from it. We’ve been told it’s violent and sick and morally corrupt — an incitement and celebration of murder. We’ve been told that police will be at every screening this weekend in case of “trouble.” Our country is in deep despair, our constitution is in shreds, a rogue maniac from Queens has access to the nuclear codes — but for some reason, it’s a movie we should be afraid of. This is excellent and why I'll always be a Michael Moore fan. I admit to buying into Joker propaganda. Moore is setting me straight once again. Thank you, Michael Moore.
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mountain grammy | Oct 2019 | OP |
chowder66 | Oct 2019 | #1 | |
Turin_C3PO | Oct 2019 | #2 | |
Maru Kitteh | Oct 2019 | #4 | |
cwydro | Oct 2019 | #3 | |
Downtown Hound | Oct 2019 | #5 | |
justie18 | Oct 2019 | #10 | |
mountain grammy | Oct 2019 | #12 | |
Downtown Hound | Oct 2019 | #14 | |
mountain grammy | Oct 2019 | #15 | |
Downtown Hound | Oct 2019 | #19 | |
BannonsLiver | Oct 2019 | #20 | |
Paka | Oct 2019 | #26 | |
mountain grammy | Oct 2019 | #28 | |
BannonsLiver | Oct 2019 | #24 | |
Downtown Hound | Oct 2019 | #27 | |
mountain grammy | Oct 2019 | #30 | |
BannonsLiver | Oct 2019 | #31 | |
mountain grammy | Oct 2019 | #32 | |
BannonsLiver | Oct 2019 | #33 | |
mountain grammy | Oct 2019 | #34 | |
Docreed2003 | Oct 2019 | #29 | |
GeorgeGist | Oct 2019 | #6 | |
Cuthbert Allgood | Oct 2019 | #22 | |
mountain grammy | Oct 2019 | #40 | |
kyburbonkid | Oct 2019 | #7 | |
mountain grammy | Oct 2019 | #11 | |
Cuthbert Allgood | Oct 2019 | #23 | |
mountain grammy | Oct 2019 | #39 | |
defacto7 | Oct 2019 | #8 | |
thegoose | Oct 2019 | #9 | |
mountain grammy | Oct 2019 | #13 | |
Cuthbert Allgood | Oct 2019 | #25 | |
Missn-Hitch | Oct 2019 | #16 | |
mountain grammy | Oct 2019 | #17 | |
Missn-Hitch | Oct 2019 | #18 | |
Missn-Hitch | Oct 2019 | #36 | |
mountain grammy | Oct 2019 | #38 | |
Missn-Hitch | Oct 2019 | #42 | |
rickyhall | Oct 2019 | #21 | |
underpants | Oct 2019 | #35 | |
mountain grammy | Oct 2019 | #43 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Oct 2019 | #37 | |
eShirl | Oct 2019 | #41 |
Response to mountain grammy (Original post)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 04:29 PM
chowder66 (7,770 posts)
1. "The America where the filthy rich just get richer and filthier"
Isn't that the truth.
Great review. |
Response to mountain grammy (Original post)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 04:32 PM
Turin_C3PO (10,439 posts)
2. Not a Michael Moore fan but
that’s an excellent review and commentary on our current society.
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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #2)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 04:41 PM
Maru Kitteh (26,236 posts)
4. agreed! nt
Response to mountain grammy (Original post)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 04:34 PM
cwydro (48,598 posts)
3. That was an interesting read.
Thanks for posting it.
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Response to mountain grammy (Original post)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 05:08 PM
Downtown Hound (12,618 posts)
5. Insights like this are why I used to really like MM
It was only when he resorted non-stop Democratic bashing that I gave up on him.
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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #5)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 05:49 PM
justie18 (169 posts)
10. Yes!
My sentiments exactly! In fact, I went to one of his live shows when he was campaigning for Kerry in 2004.
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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #5)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 05:56 PM
mountain grammy (25,138 posts)
12. He warned us so much about trump I was sick of listening to him..
then he was right. Now I listen to him.
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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #12)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:21 PM
Downtown Hound (12,618 posts)
14. Michael Moore predicts the Republican will win in EVERY election
This is nothing new. The point where I finally gave up on him was when he said Barack Obama will be remembered only as, "the first black president." Obama wasn't perfect, but given the circumstances under which he took office and with which he had to work with he did an incredible job. I get sick of people like Moore only denigrating Democrats and never giving them any credit for what they do accomplish, and Obama accomplished a lot. The prevalence of attitudes like his did just as much to elect Donald Trump as anything Hillary Clinton did with her so-called "scandals."
Michael Moore helped give us W too by hawking Nader. |
Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #14)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:27 PM
mountain grammy (25,138 posts)
15. I disagree.
I'm a Democrat and thank Moore for his relentless honesty. We allow ourselves to be painted as the same as republicans. We quote Ronald Reagan for respect we'll never get.
Moore is a fighting liberal and I love that he's out there. |
Response to mountain grammy (Reply #15)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:37 PM
Downtown Hound (12,618 posts)
19. I used to feel the same
I no longer do.
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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #15)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:45 PM
BannonsLiver (14,710 posts)
20. Well this Democrat thinks he's an asshole
So we’ve got a solid range of opinions here.
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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #15)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 07:00 PM
Paka (2,760 posts)
26. +1
He's perceptive and engaged. Somethimes the truth hurts.
I had no plans to see the movie, but now I hope it comes to Thailand so I can see it. |
Response to Paka (Reply #26)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 07:25 PM
mountain grammy (25,138 posts)
28. Me too. Had no plans to see it
Now after reading this and a ringing endorsement from my son I will.
Hope all’s well in Thailand. My husband has fond memories. |
Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #14)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:59 PM
BannonsLiver (14,710 posts)
24. I think you'll find a lot of people on the far left
That admire and value Michael Moore also can’t stand President Obama. They disregard the unprecedented, racially fueled obstruction completely, and then blame him because they didn’t get their magic unicorn show pony. It’s quite disgusting. And you are right about Moore. The Nader shit in 2000 did it for me but unfortunately snake oil always has a market.
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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #24)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 07:03 PM
Downtown Hound (12,618 posts)
27. Oh, I know you'll find a lot of people on the left that not only love him
but agree with him. And that's precisely the problem. And Moore doesn't help the situation at all. He makes it worse.
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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #24)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 07:30 PM
mountain grammy (25,138 posts)
30. That's completely ridiculous
And pretty much sounds like the snake oil sold by corporate and right wing media.
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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #30)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 07:51 PM
BannonsLiver (14,710 posts)
31. Ok.
Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #31)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:06 PM
mountain grammy (25,138 posts)
32. if you're not on the left, where are you?
Like Jim Hightower said:
"There's nothing in the middle of the road but a yellow stripe and dead armadillos." |
Response to mountain grammy (Reply #32)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:07 PM
BannonsLiver (14,710 posts)
33. Ok.
![]() Btw, Jim Hightower has bad mouthed every Dem president and nominee over the last 30 years. He also was extremely critical of Hillary in 2016. I couldn’t care less what he has to say about anything. His shtick is for people impressed by folksy witticisms and who see the world in exclusively black and white. Which is also how Moore sees it. Spoiler alert: It’s not black and white. ![]() |
Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #33)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:19 PM
mountain grammy (25,138 posts)
34. So you're not on the left?
Response to mountain grammy (Original post)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 05:11 PM
GeorgeGist (25,124 posts)
6. Comic book politics is not my thing
Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #6)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:58 PM
Cuthbert Allgood (4,341 posts)
22. First of all, comics have been involved in serious social issues since they started,
so get over yourself.
Second, this movie does a FANTASTIC job of looking at mental health, the treatment of those with mental health issues, and the way the rich elite don't give a shit about anyone. Also, you don't need to now anything about comic books to see this movie (knowing that Bruce Wayne becomes Batman, that Thomas Wayne is his dad, and that Arkham Asylum is a really bad place helps make a few things be more poignant, but you don't need to know those things). But, mostly, get over yourself. |
Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #22)
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 08:49 AM
mountain grammy (25,138 posts)
40. Very well said
Comic books and super heroes got going during the Great Depression. They were absolutely a commentary on American life and culture and cruelty.
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Response to mountain grammy (Original post)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 05:15 PM
kyburbonkid (250 posts)
7. Good movie. Just saw it. It will stay in your mind for a long time.
Intense, emotionally involving, disturbing. A thick, deep story that if it didn't have a Batman reference, you would never know. I think Michel Moore's review sums it up well. Excellent psyco-thriller drama.
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Response to kyburbonkid (Reply #7)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 05:54 PM
mountain grammy (25,138 posts)
11. and to think I wasn't going to see it..
Now I will. He references, Dog Day Afternoon, Taxi Driver and The French Connection.. all movies that stick with you.
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Response to kyburbonkid (Reply #7)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:59 PM
Cuthbert Allgood (4,341 posts)
23. I saw it 5 hours ago.
Still process and decompressing. What a fantastic film.
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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #23)
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 08:46 AM
mountain grammy (25,138 posts)
39. Agree
Response to mountain grammy (Original post)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 05:18 PM
defacto7 (13,485 posts)
8. I'll accept his commentary about this film only because
truth is truth no matter where you find it.
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Response to mountain grammy (Original post)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 05:34 PM
thegoose (3,115 posts)
9. I just saw it today
And what Moore says is true. Our antihero is beaten down until he literally goes out of his mind. This film attacks the one percent, so of course they're going to jump up on their high horses and tell us it's too dangerous to watch.
Fuck you, Dump, and the rest of your filthy brethren. This is Big Brother shit. |
Response to thegoose (Reply #9)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 05:57 PM
mountain grammy (25,138 posts)
13. I'll see it as soon as I can.
Yes, this is big brother shit.
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Response to thegoose (Reply #9)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:59 PM
Cuthbert Allgood (4,341 posts)
25. Yup
His "what do you get" joke to DeNiro was fucking money.
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Response to mountain grammy (Original post)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:31 PM
Missn-Hitch (1,383 posts)
16. Tix purchased 3 days ago - Sunday matinee here we come!!
Response to Missn-Hitch (Reply #16)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:34 PM
mountain grammy (25,138 posts)
17. Come back and tell us what you think.
Response to mountain grammy (Reply #17)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:36 PM
Missn-Hitch (1,383 posts)
18. Will do. Hope you get out this weekend to see it. Cheers!
Response to mountain grammy (Reply #17)
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 08:04 AM
Missn-Hitch (1,383 posts)
36. Hi Grammy! It was good. REAlly good.
I plan on multiple viewings. Maybe one more before it leaves the theatres.
Have a great day! |
Response to Missn-Hitch (Reply #36)
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 08:45 AM
mountain grammy (25,138 posts)
38. Saw it last night
Excellent film. Joaquin Phoenix was amazing.
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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #38)
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 11:49 AM
Missn-Hitch (1,383 posts)
42. Agreed. Cheers!
Response to mountain grammy (Original post)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 06:54 PM
rickyhall (4,889 posts)
21. Michael Moore says things I myself say but nobody wants to hear.
He makes me think I'm not as crazy as many people think I am. I rant & rage about what the repugs have done to my state (Texas) and my country (USA) since 1980. I knew Nixon was a crook but he never tried to fuck my country like Raygun and his successors have.
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Response to mountain grammy (Original post)
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 01:55 PM
underpants (174,640 posts)
35. Excellent review. As usual I agree with Moore. I have to say when I heard of this I thought "Ugh!"
A third modern rendition of the same character. Nicholson's version was really thin especially for a Tim Burton film - it was Jack being Jack but that sells tickets. Heath Ledger gave a performance in the top 10 easily of all time in my estimation- my wife watched it last night for the first time and was amazed. Joaquin had a weird period, almost Andy Kaufmanesque, but while I was watching it I got a real sense of his artistic chops. He took chances, he takes chances. That's what artists do.
Not a comic book reader even in my youth but The Joker has always seemed like the CRAZY counter to Bruce Wayne/Batman. Ultra wealthy, oooold wealth. As much as I like Batman movies (most of them) I've always seen Batman as a guy with toys. A guy who simply can afford them. The Dark Knight was a masterpiece. I'm looking forward to seeing this. |
Response to underpants (Reply #35)
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:40 PM
mountain grammy (25,138 posts)
43. Never have seen the Dark Knight
Saw Joker with my daughter last night. We both think it's excellent. I saw it thanks to my son who highly recommended it, along with MM.
Now my daughter's convinced me to see Dark Knight. After the Aurora shooting, I just couldn't, but she said if I like Joker I'll like Dark Knight. My children are so much smarter than me. ![]() |
Response to mountain grammy (Original post)
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 08:22 AM
WhiskeyGrinder (19,196 posts)
37. Oh my god what an utterly unsurprising and laughable take from Michael Moore.
Response to mountain grammy (Original post)
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 08:55 AM
eShirl (18,066 posts)