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Mon Oct 7, 2019, 06:40 PM

I don't know if I buy all these Republicans secretly hate what Trump is doing

The Republican Party of old has died.
This is the Trump party filled with kooks and deplorables.
They welcome the disinformation and conspiracy theories along with the racism and everything else.
Their pathetic deplorable following do not know how to discern truth from stupid conspiracies. They have someone else to blame for their woes - immigrants
It keeps them where the Republicans want them. Unable to see what's really going on - all the roll back of policy that eventually hurt them in the future, the tax breaks to the wealthy - that does not benefit them, trying to take away their healthcare and on and on.

If the Republicans truly detested Trump, they would join with Democrats to try to take back their party from Trump and perhaps restore some dignity to their party. Sure some members may lose seats but if it means restoring the party then so be it. As far as the Trump base, yeah, they would whine and cry about it but eventually they get over it. What are they gonna do? Vote for democrats? That's never going to happen for the hard core Trump base. If they want to keep things like conservative judges then they will still vote Republican.

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Reply I don't know if I buy all these Republicans secretly hate what Trump is doing (Original post)
tulipsandroses Oct 2019 OP
Lib 4 Life Oct 2019 #1
thegoose Oct 2019 #2
Garrett78 Oct 2019 #8
pangaia Oct 2019 #11
Garrett78 Oct 2019 #16
The Mouth Oct 2019 #19
Garrett78 Oct 2019 #22
erronis Oct 2019 #3
LakeArenal Oct 2019 #4
DrToast Oct 2019 #5
drmeow Oct 2019 #6
Poiuyt Oct 2019 #7
Goodheart Oct 2019 #9
JHB Oct 2019 #17
NCLefty Oct 2019 #10
Nasruddin Oct 2019 #12
flamingdem Oct 2019 #13
malthaussen Oct 2019 #14
Downtown Hound Oct 2019 #15
Codeine Oct 2019 #18
Nitram Oct 2019 #20
kentuck Oct 2019 #21
radical noodle Oct 2019 #23
certainot Oct 2019 #24

Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 06:45 PM

1. agree 100%.

 

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 06:53 PM

2. The Pukes were filth before Dump

I'm old enough to have voted against Ray-gun They've always been a party of scum. Dump just lets them celebrate their filthiness out in the open, thanks to Russian manipulation.

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Response to thegoose (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 11:00 PM

8. 50+ years of increasingly cruel and unhinged rhetoric and policy made Trump possible.

The anti-Trump Republicans are in complete denial about that. Gee, you mean all of our dog whistling (from Nixon to Reagan to Bush) and poverty-shaming and LGBTQ-bashing and hypocrisy and right wing hate radio and Fox News and anti-government propaganda and war profiteering and NRA-promoting and extreme deregulation and extreme privatization and attacks on science and attacks on higher education and so on and so forth helped lay the groundwork for someone such as Trump??? Nooooo, that can't be.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:25 AM

11. A great catalog of republican crimes....



thanks..

may I use it?

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Response to pangaia (Reply #11)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 02:02 PM

16. Sure. These assholes who can't make the connection, or don't want to make the connection...

...don't impress me. But I'll take their Trump bashing if it helps rid us of him.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 03:48 PM

19. He's a symptom

as much as a cause, if not more so.

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Response to The Mouth (Reply #19)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 05:44 PM

22. Absolutely. He's a monster of the GOP's making.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 07:09 PM

3. Once they realized that their position was lost, they just became vultures - opportunists

So what if the (R)epuglicon brand has been trashed?

We can still make $$$ on the imbeciles that continue to support that old elephant. The imbeciles won't know/care that the whole "conservative" platform has collapsed to be replaced by the "memememe" one. They'll continue to send donations to PO Boxes and organizations with fancy letterhead and flags waving.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 07:22 PM

4. They don't care about America

They just want to squeeze as much money as they can hide overseas before it implodes.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 07:23 PM

5. That would depend on what you're referring to

They like some things he's doing (judges, tax cuts, etc.) and don't like some things he's doing (trade wars, abandoning the Kurds, etc.).

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 08:31 PM

6. I think they primarily don't like

that he's taken all their ardent desires to their most extreme version making it harder for them to claim that those desires are benevolent. He's ripped the mask of civilization off of them and they are furious because it makes it harder for them to hide in plain sight.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 10:55 PM

7. I'm waiting for a third party to form

It will either be the traditional Republican party against Trumpocracy or traditional conservatives will break away and leave the Republican party to the Trumpists.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 11:12 PM

9. The party of Lincoln... the party of Eisenhower...

has degenerated into a party of degenerates.

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Response to Goodheart (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 02:20 PM

17. No, no not degenerated. It was deliberately mutated into the Party of Ahab

Conservatives were never going to get a crack at finally undoing popular programs like Social Security and Medicare (or as they think of them, "socialism" ) unless they forced the people they considered quislings within their own ranks out of power.

They set up a system that pushed peoples' hot buttons and encouraged them to single-issue vote on them. Compromise was scorned as capitulation, and backsliders were to be punished for their infidelity, long before the term "RINO" was coined. And down went the Rockefeller Republicans and their like.

Once done, they took what they learned and pointed it at the Democrats, ratcheted up the rhetoric year after year after year, and called it "playing hardball."

But the drawback is: When you paint the story that way, it's supposed to end with you bringing the bad guys to justice. They rot in jail, or better yet get hanged or fried. Blow up the Death Star. Drop the Ring into the fires of Mount Doom. The Enemy surrenders unconditionally and their symbols get blown up.

Your audience wants this:

But they never get it.


When you tell that story for decades, continually amping it up to keep the audience's blood at a rolling boil, you create an expectation that you can never really deliver on. You can justify decades of investigations and re-investigations and re-re-re-re-re-re-re-investigations, but that's not going turn up anything that will hold up in court. So you put yourself into the position of portraying the other side as unbearably evil and an active threat, and then don't do anything about it. The base still has their hot buttons pushed, still believes every word of it, they just start thinking you're ineffectual at best, or more likely are part of the problem.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 12:32 AM

10. Republicans only care about the Kurds when they are fighting (and dying) for us.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:48 AM

12. kooks and deplorables

Best to think of them all as narcissistic psychopaths who would kill and eat their own mothers,
until proven otherwise.

Occasionally you can ally with such twisted people, but you have to keep yourself safe.


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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:50 AM

13. It worked for Putin

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:50 AM

14. I do know that I don't buy it

They love what Mr Trump has been doing, they're only pissed that it's becoming harder to get away with it.

-- Mal

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:55 AM

15. I think it's more like

Republicans love what Trump is doing. They just wish he wasn't such a blubbering oaf while doing it.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 02:22 PM

18. They outright love his bullshit.

The entire GOP is just racists and trolls at this point. The age of the conservative intellectual has long since passed.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 04:08 PM

20. Well, they are concerned that Trump's shenanigans could get him impeached.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 04:09 PM

21. They are pretending to separate, for political reasons.

imo.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:51 PM

23. I'm not sure they hate what trump is doing

but I think many of them hate trump personally. trump is not a likable person and his nasty attitude can't go over well with people who think they're God's gift to America.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:40 PM

24. the 'party of lincoln' became the party of limbaugh long ago. putin figured it out but not the dems

putin figured it out at least a decade ago. after getting traashed by the voice of america for half a century putin turned the tables, figuring out all they had to do was figure out how to feed limbaugh - who happens to be trump's neighbor, friend, and golf partner

all dems have to do is make the connection and expose it but they don't even poll for it

getting beaten by ghosts and he who must not be named

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