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tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 07:40 PM Oct 2019

I don't know if I buy all these Republicans secretly hate what Trump is doing

The Republican Party of old has died.
This is the Trump party filled with kooks and deplorables.
They welcome the disinformation and conspiracy theories along with the racism and everything else.
Their pathetic deplorable following do not know how to discern truth from stupid conspiracies. They have someone else to blame for their woes - immigrants
It keeps them where the Republicans want them. Unable to see what's really going on - all the roll back of policy that eventually hurt them in the future, the tax breaks to the wealthy - that does not benefit them, trying to take away their healthcare and on and on.

If the Republicans truly detested Trump, they would join with Democrats to try to take back their party from Trump and perhaps restore some dignity to their party. Sure some members may lose seats but if it means restoring the party then so be it. As far as the Trump base, yeah, they would whine and cry about it but eventually they get over it. What are they gonna do? Vote for democrats? That's never going to happen for the hard core Trump base. If they want to keep things like conservative judges then they will still vote Republican.

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I don't know if I buy all these Republicans secretly hate what Trump is doing (Original Post) tulipsandroses Oct 2019 OP
agree 100%. Lib 4 Life Oct 2019 #1
The Pukes were filth before Dump thegoose Oct 2019 #2
50+ years of increasingly cruel and unhinged rhetoric and policy made Trump possible. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #8
A great catalog of republican crimes.... pangaia Oct 2019 #11
Sure. These assholes who can't make the connection, or don't want to make the connection... Garrett78 Oct 2019 #16
He's a symptom The Mouth Oct 2019 #19
Absolutely. He's a monster of the GOP's making. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #22
Once they realized that their position was lost, they just became vultures - opportunists erronis Oct 2019 #3
They don't care about America LakeArenal Oct 2019 #4
That would depend on what you're referring to DrToast Oct 2019 #5
I think they primarily don't like drmeow Oct 2019 #6
I'm waiting for a third party to form Poiuyt Oct 2019 #7
The party of Lincoln... the party of Eisenhower... Goodheart Oct 2019 #9
No, no not degenerated. It was deliberately mutated into the Party of Ahab JHB Oct 2019 #17
Republicans only care about the Kurds when they are fighting (and dying) for us. NCLefty Oct 2019 #10
kooks and deplorables Nasruddin Oct 2019 #12
It worked for Putin flamingdem Oct 2019 #13
I do know that I don't buy it malthaussen Oct 2019 #14
I think it's more like Downtown Hound Oct 2019 #15
They outright love his bullshit. Codeine Oct 2019 #18
Well, they are concerned that Trump's shenanigans could get him impeached. Nitram Oct 2019 #20
They are pretending to separate, for political reasons. kentuck Oct 2019 #21
I'm not sure they hate what trump is doing radical noodle Oct 2019 #23
the 'party of lincoln' became the party of limbaugh long ago. putin figured it out but not the dems certainot Oct 2019 #24
 

thegoose

(3,115 posts)
2. The Pukes were filth before Dump
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 07:53 PM
Oct 2019

I'm old enough to have voted against Ray-gun They've always been a party of scum. Dump just lets them celebrate their filthiness out in the open, thanks to Russian manipulation.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
8. 50+ years of increasingly cruel and unhinged rhetoric and policy made Trump possible.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 12:00 AM
Oct 2019

The anti-Trump Republicans are in complete denial about that. Gee, you mean all of our dog whistling (from Nixon to Reagan to Bush) and poverty-shaming and LGBTQ-bashing and hypocrisy and right wing hate radio and Fox News and anti-government propaganda and war profiteering and NRA-promoting and extreme deregulation and extreme privatization and attacks on science and attacks on higher education and so on and so forth helped lay the groundwork for someone such as Trump??? Nooooo, that can't be.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
16. Sure. These assholes who can't make the connection, or don't want to make the connection...
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 03:02 PM
Oct 2019

...don't impress me. But I'll take their Trump bashing if it helps rid us of him.

erronis

(15,241 posts)
3. Once they realized that their position was lost, they just became vultures - opportunists
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 08:09 PM
Oct 2019

So what if the (R)epuglicon brand has been trashed?

We can still make $$$ on the imbeciles that continue to support that old elephant. The imbeciles won't know/care that the whole "conservative" platform has collapsed to be replaced by the "memememe" one. They'll continue to send donations to PO Boxes and organizations with fancy letterhead and flags waving.

LakeArenal

(28,817 posts)
4. They don't care about America
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 08:22 PM
Oct 2019

They just want to squeeze as much money as they can hide overseas before it implodes.

DrToast

(6,414 posts)
5. That would depend on what you're referring to
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 08:23 PM
Oct 2019

They like some things he's doing (judges, tax cuts, etc.) and don't like some things he's doing (trade wars, abandoning the Kurds, etc.).

drmeow

(5,017 posts)
6. I think they primarily don't like
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 09:31 PM
Oct 2019

that he's taken all their ardent desires to their most extreme version making it harder for them to claim that those desires are benevolent. He's ripped the mask of civilization off of them and they are furious because it makes it harder for them to hide in plain sight.

Poiuyt

(18,123 posts)
7. I'm waiting for a third party to form
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 11:55 PM
Oct 2019

It will either be the traditional Republican party against Trumpocracy or traditional conservatives will break away and leave the Republican party to the Trumpists.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
17. No, no not degenerated. It was deliberately mutated into the Party of Ahab
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 03:20 PM
Oct 2019

Conservatives were never going to get a crack at finally undoing popular programs like Social Security and Medicare (or as they think of them, "socialism" ) unless they forced the people they considered quislings within their own ranks out of power.

They set up a system that pushed peoples' hot buttons and encouraged them to single-issue vote on them. Compromise was scorned as capitulation, and backsliders were to be punished for their infidelity, long before the term "RINO" was coined. And down went the Rockefeller Republicans and their like.

Once done, they took what they learned and pointed it at the Democrats, ratcheted up the rhetoric year after year after year, and called it "playing hardball."

But the drawback is: When you paint the story that way, it's supposed to end with you bringing the bad guys to justice. They rot in jail, or better yet get hanged or fried. Blow up the Death Star. Drop the Ring into the fires of Mount Doom. The Enemy surrenders unconditionally and their symbols get blown up.

Your audience wants this:

But they never get it.


When you tell that story for decades, continually amping it up to keep the audience's blood at a rolling boil, you create an expectation that you can never really deliver on. You can justify decades of investigations and re-investigations and re-re-re-re-re-re-re-investigations, but that's not going turn up anything that will hold up in court. So you put yourself into the position of portraying the other side as unbearably evil and an active threat, and then don't do anything about it. The base still has their hot buttons pushed, still believes every word of it, they just start thinking you're ineffectual at best, or more likely are part of the problem.

Nasruddin

(754 posts)
12. kooks and deplorables
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:48 AM
Oct 2019

Best to think of them all as narcissistic psychopaths who would kill and eat their own mothers,
until proven otherwise.

Occasionally you can ally with such twisted people, but you have to keep yourself safe.


malthaussen

(17,194 posts)
14. I do know that I don't buy it
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:50 AM
Oct 2019

They love what Mr Trump has been doing, they're only pissed that it's becoming harder to get away with it.

-- Mal

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
15. I think it's more like
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 12:55 PM
Oct 2019

Republicans love what Trump is doing. They just wish he wasn't such a blubbering oaf while doing it.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
18. They outright love his bullshit.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 03:22 PM
Oct 2019

The entire GOP is just racists and trolls at this point. The age of the conservative intellectual has long since passed.

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
23. I'm not sure they hate what trump is doing
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:51 PM
Oct 2019

but I think many of them hate trump personally. trump is not a likable person and his nasty attitude can't go over well with people who think they're God's gift to America.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
24. the 'party of lincoln' became the party of limbaugh long ago. putin figured it out but not the dems
Wed Oct 9, 2019, 12:40 AM
Oct 2019

putin figured it out at least a decade ago. after getting traashed by the voice of america for half a century putin turned the tables, figuring out all they had to do was figure out how to feed limbaugh - who happens to be trump's neighbor, friend, and golf partner

all dems have to do is make the connection and expose it but they don't even poll for it

getting beaten by ghosts and he who must not be named

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