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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI want the Democrats to give No Quarter to all the traitors.
Everyone working for Trump, protecting Trump must all pay a heavy price, no matter how long it takes. No forgiveness, no forgetting, no moving forward and putting it behind us.
The Democrats have a great opportunity to completely destroy the corrupt Republican party. They are traitors to the constitution and the rule of law. It is that simple and true.
The corruption of the Republican party has been going on for decades. It must be obliterated, once and for all. What is happening now cannot become the norm.
The Democrats have definitely picked up their game these past few weeks. Now I want to see them turn into sharks on a feeding frenzy.
I am not just talking about now, I am also talking about when we take back the Whitehouse and have a new AG. I don't care how many years it takes, nail all these traitors.
Mystery sage
(577 posts)The people who work(gleefully) and defend trump should to be recorded as such and viewed as evil in the eyes of the people.
Blue Owl
(54,423 posts)ArcticFox
(1,249 posts)We ought to treat this as the outright traitorous effort to undermine Our Constitutional Republic that it is
Efilroft Sul
(3,723 posts)cstanleytech
(26,913 posts)A number of reasons but the first is we would have to increase the number of SCOTUS seats to offset the number of conservative justices.
Why? Because they could overturn any laws and sentences for people.
Second is we would have to redefine the commutation and pardon powers for the President and limit it so a future Repugnant cannot undermine any sentences.
To do that we need to keep the House, the Presidency and have a strong enough majority in the Senate and keep the House and Senate for at least 12 to 18 years so they cannot repeal the laws to soon and that will be very difficult to manage.
Hugin
(34,420 posts)Electoral College, but, losing the popular vote.
Heck, while we're dreaming, let's change what the installed office holder is called to Acting President.
-No SCOTUS appointments.
-Limited pardon powers.
-Limited use of Executive Orders.
-Must go through congress to make appropriations changes. (I know, it's already there, but, it needs to be reinforced. I guess.)
-Limited use of GFE and resources for campaign purposes. (Already spelled out in the Hatch Act. But, it needs teeth.)
-Limited authority over ongoing military operations. (To include nukes and withdraws.)
-No tariffs.
And, these limitations should "trickle down" to any Cabinet Secretaries and other appointees the Acting President should make. Extending beyond the Acting President's term, if need be, unless the appointee is renewed in their position by a popularly elected President.
The prospect of having an Acting President should be made so unpalatable as to make the prospect seem unworthy of the effort to game the Electoral College system as has been done by the GOP twice in the last 20 years.
I read an article here on DU over the past couple of days that a study has shown, the Electoral College system is biased toward the GOP anyway and something like this could be used as a way to even the playing field.
cstanleytech
(26,913 posts)shouldn't the starting point then be to increase the number of scotus seats?
Hugin
(34,420 posts)governing the appointment of non-popular vote Electoral College appointed Presidents.
Otherwise, it would have to be amendments going through the States.
We're speculating here. I doubt any changes would even get past the current Senate.
cstanleytech
(26,913 posts)RobertDevereaux
(1,929 posts)Perseus
(4,341 posts)Well put.
No "moving forward". I still cringe when I think about Obama saying that, it opened the flood gates to GOP corruption, so much so they don't even care to do it in front of the whole world now. Karl Rove not answering a subpoena and Democrats not doing anything about it told the corrupts that it was OK to not answer to a subpoena.
If a corrupt act is not punished appropriately that tells the crook the can do it again and still push harder to find out how far they can go.
"Moving forward" after Nixon resigned is what got us here today.
There should be no job in this country where resigning absolves you of wrongdoing.
KPN
(16,038 posts)don't really need our help to do that.
As for accountability and a heavy price, that might feel good but I will be satisfied if the principals are charged, convicted and/or removed from office and sentenced accordingly for their crimes. That is, tRump and perhaps some if not all of of his family members; Barr, Giuliani and Pompeo, maybe Mnuchin; McConnell, Nunes, Sessions and any other GOP Senators/Congressmen found guilty of illegal elections interference or coordination with or accepting assistance financial or otherwise from foreign entities for that purpose. The rest will take care of itself provided those key figures are held accountable and appropriate penalties are applied.
CaptainTruth
(7,160 posts)I think Republicans truly underestimate how angry they have made patriotic Americans who support the Constitution & rule of law.
They've crossed a line that cannot be uncrowded. We see their true nature.
bucolic_frolic
(46,512 posts)I want all that was stolen returned to its rightful owners. Because that is the society we have to live with and what determines life going forward. Political confusion gives a lot of thieves room to maneuver. Compare America 2016 to America when Trump leaves office. THAT is the yardstick.
Arthur_Frain
(2,127 posts)But its always move forward, lets let bygones be bygones, take the high road, etc.
What hogwash. These people only acknowledge strength, and they all need to be shown that embracing evil has consequences, serious, PERMANENT consequences. Everywhere.
As an example, we should have ensured angry spice was the first voted off DWTS this season. Petty? Yes. Pointless? No. The message is that while in America we love giving folks a second chance, that if you side with people who want to eliminate and destroy everything it takes to get that second chance, we will NOT allow you to rehab your image, and we will NOT forget.
Regrettably, it doesnt ever happen, and new suckers are being indoctrinated into conservatism all the time, and because reading hard they wont remember. Hell the google generation doesnt remember a damned thing, they just ask their phone again.
If Im still alive in 30 years, I have no doubt Ill be rehashing this conversation on whatever medium technology provides for. Cause theyll be back.
BSdetect
(9,047 posts)Brainfodder
(7,164 posts)Last one standing can have a beer?
Kid Berwyn
(17,678 posts)No matter how much it costs or how long it takes.
WyattKansas
(1,648 posts)Barr's family, including his kids and where they worked???
Other Government Workers should remember very well and should also look them over closely and shun the hell out of all of them!
Barr's kids appeared in an Official Hearing to give Barr cover and support to prop his fat ass up, so they need to be shunned out of the government for using their positions to advance their daddy's unconstitutional behavior. It's not like they didn't have a clue that he was an evil bastard without any boundaries. And a tree's fruit doesn't suddenly fall under a different fruit tree.
Barr's kids should be immediately shunned out of the Federal Government and the family strain treated as a toxic virus.
Maybe if toxins had been exiled from the government or having any say in the U.S. whatsoever, all the Nixon underlings would not have damaged the U.S. more for the last 45 years. Just think if the same 'rat fuckers' had never been in the American picture since Nixon?
Catch2.2
(629 posts)The only way to make sure this doesn't happen again is to prosecute all these criminals!
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)But we can try.
jcmaine72
(1,782 posts)They have and continue to finance the greatest criminal enterprise in American history and must be brought to justice. I don't care if it's someone who donated $5 or $5 million. They've all contributed to the same criminal conspiracy that is undermining our democracy.
U.S. Code § 371. Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States.
No forgetting, no forgiving....EVER!