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[mysteryowl]

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[dchill]

1. Putin can get detonation devices from his agent.

[mindem]

4. Trump will ship them out to him

pronto.

[dchill]

7. Slightly delayed birthday gift.

Then he can go back to catching and eating flies.

[RockRaven]

2. OUR nukes. OUR bases. But IN Turkey.

AFAIK.

[mysteryowl]

11. Okay, but is the US military guarding them?

Update: I see the answer later in this thread.

[Aussie105]

3. Google 'US nukes in Turkey' brings up this:

US nukes at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey. If the US decided to provide air cover for its allies in Afrin, it would likely launch those planes from Incirlik Air Base, which is inside Turkey. Incirlik is a central hub for US air power in the region and the resting place of a few dozen B-61 nuclear gravity bombs with adjustable yields.

Also:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/16/trump-appears-confirm-us-nukes-are-turkey-which-would-break-with-longstanding-protocol/

[triron]

30. So is Erdogan going to blackmail Trump with this?

Or maybe Trump doesn't give a shit.

[GP6971]

5. My understanding

is that the nukes are at Incirlik not in Syria. Incirlik is Turkish air base and grants US forces rights to operate out of.

[cynatnite]

6. Since 2009...

It's part of a nuclear sharing policy through NATO. The US provided nukes to Turkey, Germany, Belgium, Italy and the Netherlands.

[tableturner]

38. The US did not provide those countries with nukes!

That's where we keep some of our nukes, along with some of our armed forces, who are there to protect them, among other reasons. The US controls their usage.....PERIOD! We have given NO country the right to detonate our nukes.

[dchill]

8. NOW we're talking turkey.

[Miguelito Loveless]

9. The nukes in Turkey are B61

“Dial-a-yield” thermonuclear devices. Setting from 2 Hiroshimas to 200 Hiroshimas.

[at140]

16. No thermo-nucloear bombs are 100 times destructive capacity of Hiroshima bomb

The destructive capacity of these nukes is NOT directly proportional to weight of fissile material.

[sarisataka]

26. Not to keep you up at night

the Little Boy dropped on Hiroshima had an approximate blast of 15kt designating this as 1x-

the B61 bombs in Turkey can go up to an estimated 400kt or about 26x
also the US has B83 bombs in inventory with a yield of 1.2mt or 80x

the B41 bomb was retired from service in 1976 and had a yield of 25mt or 1666x

in 1961 the Soviets tested the Tsar Bomba which they revealed a blast of 50mt or 3333x
theoretically they had the ability to increase the Tsar Bomba to 100mt but never carried out the second test

[at140]

31. This may ruin your night,

but the destructive power of a nuke is NOT proportional to it's fissile weight.

It is actually closer to cube root!

Which simply means a 26 times bigger bomb has only about 3 times the destructive power.

[sarisataka]

37. I am quite familiar with blast radii

And could possibly remember how to calculate a fallout pattern if I tried.

The sharp drop off in destruction compared to raw power is the reason US ICBMs use relatively low yield MIRVs. We have had the ability to precisely strike targets so could cause more damage to a target with 3 150kt warheads than a single larger bomb. The Soviets, in comparison, lacked the accuracy our weapons had. Thus they had to use larger weapons, hoping the intended target would be caught in the greater overall radius, however it would give much greater collateral damage, wasting much of the weapon's energy.

When people discuss the power of a nuclear weapon, 99% of them are referring to the explosive force. The numbers were off but to make the B61 analogous to Little Boy in the above post the B61 has a range of .02 to 80 Hiroshimas.

[triron]

32. We don't need a madman with hydrogen bombs.

[Dennis Donovan]

10. They're in the custody of the US military

...on a Turkish air base: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incirlik_Air_Base

[triron]

35. Air Force times has a worrisome article on it.

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2019/10/14/with-turkeys-invasion-of-syria-concerns-mount-over-nukes-at-incirlik/

[sarisataka]

12. No, Turkey did not have nukes and does not have nukes

They are at the same base they have been for decades, controlled and guarded by the USAF as they always have been.

The hyperbole over this is becoming ridiculous

[sarisataka]

15. What is incorrect?

the weapons stored in Turkey have always been under US control. I do not see where the article disputes that.

[Baked Potato]

19. Never mind thanks

[sarisataka]

21. No problem nt

[mysteryowl]

14. Well, okay. That is why I am asking about this.

I don't understand and I have read (I don't remember where) that with the quick withdrawal, the US left unguarded nukes. So that is not true?

[sarisataka]

20. Completely false

Though there have been articles that have presented this information along with other fallacies

Facts:
-we never deployed nuclear weapons in Syria
-US troops have not evacuated any installation leaving nuclear weapons behind
-ISIS has not acquired any nuclear weapons the US has abandoned
-Russia has not acquired any nuclear weapons the US has abandoned (they have plenty of their own)
-Turkey is not holding US nuclear weapons

The issue at hand is the weapons the US has in Turkey present a political problem. We can remove them at any time and there is nothing Turkey can do about it outside of directly and openly attacking US forces. However removing in the midst of the current crisis would indicate the US believes they can no longer trust their NATO ally. Such a move would weaken NATO overall and push Turkey further into their growing friendship with Russia. Also it could lose US access to the strategic base in Turkey.

[mysteryowl]

22. Thanks.

I probably read it on DU even. We have to work at keeping the truth alive and not drown in propaganda.

[sarisataka]

27. Unfortunately there have been several reposts

of sources presenting sensationalized, incorrect information

[triron]

36. I haven't seen that.

[LeftInTX]

17. One reason we had the Cuban Missile Crisis were over our nukes in Turkey!

Khrushchev brought nukes to Cuba because of our nukes in Turkey!

We removed our nukes to end the crisis, but don't know when they reappeared.

[Alea]

25. That was over nuclear missiles in Turkey

The bombs are a different story and not considered a first strike weapon.

[karynnj]

18. No, the US operated out of an airbase in Turkey ... and apparently had some nuclear armed airplanes

there. I am surprised that as Turkey has gone further and further away from democracy they did not - without saying so -- flew all those planes out.

[former9thward]

23. You have nothing right.

Turkey has had U.S.devices since the early 60s. They were removed and then reinstalled in 2009. Nothing was ever in Syria.

[mysteryowl]

24. I have been so educated now by other posters in this thread.

Thanks everyone.

[herding cats]

28. We've hade "nukes" since before I was born. This I know.

I am not sure how we've expanded on them since then, but I suspect we're all about to find out.

To put this all into real life perspective, I'm sitting here wearing my reading glasses as I type this. It's been literally that long.

[Wellstone ruled]

29. You can bet those suckers are on there way out

at this time. Something is up,Nellis has been quite for three days,no training operations at all. Usually something every day unless the Weather is a factor.

[LeftInTX]

33. This doesn't surprise me. They don't have to tell us if they move them.

I'm sure Trump gets his "nuke news" from Fox and not intelligence reports. (Today he was talking about the nukes in Turkey)

[roamer65]

34. They need to be take out of Turkey.

I would move them to Souda Bay on the island of Crete. That is an American naval base in Greece.

That will tell the Turks what we think.

Time to reinforce the Grecian and Bulgarian sides of their borders with Turkish-occupied Eastern Thrace. If Turkey starts the refugee nonsense, we may have to force the Turks out of European territory.

[Alea]

39. Yep get them out

Need to think about booting Turkey out of NATO too imo.

[Lock him up.]

40. Yep. They're neither North, nor Atlantic anyway. (n/t)