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The real fun began when the defense became oh, come on, everybody does it.
We have entered the everybody does it phase.
tblue37
(65,218 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)"Everybody does it" doesn't work for a 5-year-old, and it won't work for the toddlers in the White House.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,167 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,598 posts)Not sure how long that will last.
BigmanPigman
(51,567 posts)He made it "just in case" he woukd need to use it.
MontanaMama
(23,295 posts)covfefe boy status tomorrow?
sop
(10,100 posts)I don't think Mulvaney will be "leaving to spend time with the family." Trump likely came up with that "get over it!" line, and Mick was just following orders.
hlthe2b
(102,119 posts)dchill
(38,441 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Are there enough defense attorneys for all the Trump Administration members who will soon require one?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Once the defendants start pointing fingers at one another, then you have all sorts of conflicts breaking out for any of them using the same firms.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)dchill
(38,441 posts)"That statement is no longer operative" today. Several times.
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)It isn't funny at all, and hysterical all at the same time.
dchill
(38,441 posts)uponit7771
(90,301 posts)... designates funds for something it should go to that place
SCantiGOP
(13,865 posts)Nixon has enough sense to lock himself in the White House and give out comments and info only in very controlled and scripted manners.
Trump gets mad sitting on the toilet watching foxnews and sends out incoherent tweets.
All I can say is: Sir, thank you Mr President. You are making our job easy.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)And thats saying a lot.
SCantiGOP
(13,865 posts)God, I despised Nixon. I was just out of college when he was being impeached and my friends were dying in Viet Nam.
But, you are right. Compared to Trump, Nixon was at least rational and knew what the hell he was doing.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Sock it to ME?
mucifer
(23,478 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Are you suggesting Trump is not racist or anti-Semitic?
Nixon signed the bill establishing the EPA.
yardwork
(61,538 posts)2naSalit
(86,323 posts)MontanaMama
(23,295 posts)Full scream ahead!
Keep your hands inside the ride at all times!!
2naSalit
(86,323 posts)they may whack you real hard when we go over the bumps!
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)Definitely.
A friend reminded me that this has much in common with Iran-Contra, too.
groundloop
(11,513 posts)And of course William Barr was there to help them slither away.
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)eventual outcome. But the crimes have similarities.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)We've let them get away with bigger and bigger crimes every time.
Ahpook
(2,749 posts)In Congress and the rubes who voted for him?
Did it seem like the impeachment process would be stymied in the same way we are experiencing now? We know Mcconnell will throttle anything to do with this.
On edit: I know he resigned when it became obvious he was toast but, does anyone think Trump will go out the same way? I doubt it!
MyOwnPeace
(16,917 posts)I lived through the Nixon thing - GAWD, I voted for him!!! (only because I bought his line that "Nam was over - he's bringing them home - HAH!).
But, I saw the light and campaigned for McGovern (see, I can pay my dues!) and followed the Nixon trials very faithfully.
And other comments throughout DU are correct - it is becoming a snowball effect - as one thing happens, it triggers 2 or more things - and it grows.
Truly - I don't see how he can survive this. The walls are crumbling and more and more "shit" is gonna' come out daily. All of the screw-ups will be discovered/announced on a logarithmic scale - soon to the point that he'll be so tied up in his lies that he'll have to come up with some "face-saving" way to get out of town.
It's scary to think what we'll have when he's gone - but getting him "gone" is job NUMBER ONE - and we'll deal with whatever after that.
All that said: there is a BIG difference: In the time of Nixon we had honorable, respectably public servants on both sides of the aisle - people who cared about the Republic, not their own personal jobs and wealth-creating situations.
This time - there's not a Republican that I can trust to do the "right thing" at this point in time.
Ahpook
(2,749 posts)It is scary.
Watch the films of the House hearings on impeachment on youtube. Same bootlickers, different names.
SharonAnn
(13,771 posts)Really opened up the door for Republicans to wake up and realize that Nixon was deeply involved in the coverup and thus, impeachable.
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)that, when he first asked it, he believed it provided Nixon cover. Like most republicans at that point, he had no idea how bad Nixon was, nor that there were tapes including the famous "smoking gun."
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)or One America, Rush Limbaugh and others
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,586 posts)It wasn't until the summer of 1974 and the release of the tapes that a critical mass of GOPers finally realized that Nixon had become unpopular enough that they could no longer afford to support him. But even after he resigned, about 24% of the electorate still supported him.
Ahpook
(2,749 posts)He got as low as 24%? Trump is still hovering around 40ish?
Says quite a bit!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,586 posts)Ahpook
(2,749 posts)just after the actual scandal?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,586 posts)with the break-in. It was also just before the '72 election and he was still popular. Note that after John Dean's testimony that peak disappeared.
Ahpook
(2,749 posts)We'll see how this plays out.
I have this itchy feeling that these days are a bit different. With hate radio, voting shenanigans and our courts compromised it could play a bit differently.
These guys seem EXTREMELY arrogant!
wnylib
(21,335 posts)around during Watergate and things are definitely different today. Social media. Hate radio. Far more widespread corruption today involving members of Congress and even foreign powers.
Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, and Chuck Schumer are the right people for handling this and the nation is blessed to have rhem. But it will still be tough going.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)Yes, Nixon had strong support from Republicans. Remember only 4 of them on the Judiciary committee voted for the articles of impeachment and only 1 (Larry Hogan, Sr) voted for all 4.
Technically there was no impeachment because Nixon resigned, but apparently Howard Baker was a GOP "mole" on the Senate select committee investigating the Watergate break-in and cover up. Ultimately, Baker did come around, but he started out like Devin Nunes.
I do think it's better than 50-50 Trump resigns rather than be impeached. McConnell is desperate to save R control of the Senate. If he sees his majority going down in flames, I think he's more than capable of cutting a deal with Dems that results in him going to Trump and saying the votes are there to convict.
Ahpook
(2,749 posts)That would crush his fragile ego.
I think you're right about Mcconnell, though. He wants to save his control and may cut a deal essentially selling out Trump and promise the votes to remove him. Trump will of course whine, bitch and moan about it while playing a victim to save face.
Either way is cool with me as this has gone way to far.
DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)I could see a deal where he's given an assurance he won't be prosecuted by the federal gov't if he leaves.
Harker
(13,976 posts)"well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal."
Let's just cut straight to the bunker scene, please.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)maryellen99
(3,785 posts)Harker
(13,976 posts)to give Barry Goldwater a glow of something approaching sanity.
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)followed by V for Vendetta
W T F
(1,145 posts)wnylib
(21,335 posts)stems in part from her work with the Watergate investigation teams. Plus she was a former Pub. That was two unforgiveable strikes against her in the eyes of Pubs.
Gothmog
(144,919 posts)Nitram
(22,765 posts)keep the country safe." The difference with "everybody does it" is the they would only support that in a Republican president.
LiberalFighter
(50,783 posts)Sure! Every criminal does it.