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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFacing unbearable heat, Qatar has begun to air-condition the outdoors
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/world/climate-environment/climate-change-qatar-air-conditioning-outdoors/Qatar, the world's leading exporter of liquefied natural gas, may be able to cool its stadiums, but it cannot cool the entire country. Fears that the hundreds of thousands of soccer fans might wilt or even die while shuttling between stadiums and metros and hotels in the unforgiving summer heat prompted the decision to delay the World Cup by five months. It is now scheduled for November, during Qatar's milder winter.
The change in the World Cup date is a symptom of a larger problem climate change.
Already one of the hottest places on Earth, Qatar has seen average temperatures rise more than 2 degrees Celsius above preindustrial times, the current international goal for limiting the damage of global warming. The 2015 Paris climate summit said it would be better to keep temperatures "well below" that, ideally to no more than 1.5 degrees Celsius.
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To survive the summer heat, Qatar not only air-conditions its soccer stadiums, but also the outdoors in markets, along sidewalks, even at outdoor malls so people can window shop with a cool breeze. If you turn off air conditioners, it will be unbearable. You cannot function effectively, says Yousef al-Horr, founder of the Gulf Organization for Research and Development.
Al Janoub stadium is one of eight soccer stadiums that Qatar is prepping for the 2022 World Cup.
Engineering professor Saud Ghani designed the open-air stadiums air-conditioning system.
Small vents push cool air at ankle level inside the stadium.
So far, Qatar has maintained outdoor life through a vast expansion of outdoor air conditioning. In the restored Souq Waqif market, a maze of shops, restaurants and small hotels, three- to four-foot-high air-conditioning units blow cool air onto cafe customers. At a cost of $80 to $250 each depending on the quality, they are the only things that make outdoor dining possible in a place where overnight low temperatures in summer rarely dip below 90 degrees.
Recently, the luxury French department store Galeries Lafayette opened in a shopping mall that features stylish air-conditioning grates in the broad cobblestone walkways outside. Each of the vents, about 1 by 6 feet, has a decorative design. Many of them hug the outside of buildings, cooling off window shoppers looking at expensive fashions. Though nearly deserted in the heat, by 5 p.m. some people begin to emerge to sit outside places like Cafe Pouchkine.
Quackers
(2,256 posts)Demovictory9
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dalton99a
(81,451 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,848 posts)I used to live in Phoenix, AZ, and learned a lot about extreme heat there. Which is why I live in a more reasonable place (Santa Fe, NM) and sometimes wonder at those who stay voluntarily in places with outrageous heat.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)climate denial could not have occurred without attached garages.
I could live in the NM mountains. We love the desert. Our son moved to GA, so we have a winter place in Florida instead. Very nice, thogh. We're eating seafood salad on the patio while people up north are inside with bowls of squash soup. Summer's the killing season, but half of that 72' mobile home is shaded almost all day by a giant old live oak, and that's where we AC if we go down there in summer, not the large pretty sunroom that isn't shaded.
It's, amazingly, still common for people to cut down and refuse to plant trees because they don't want to rake the leaves. By far the best heat control is to stop the sun's rays before they hit the building, something anyone who walks into shade on a hot day could understand immediately if pointed out, but instead air conditioning what amount to sealed ovens baking in the sun is still SOP.
That'll change in large part. Where people have the water to keep trees alive.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,848 posts)it's far more expensive and energy consuming to cool down from, say 100° to 70°, than to heat up from minus 20 to the same 70°.
Plus, you can dress for the cold. The only way to dress for extreme heat is to wear an air-conditioned car.
And yes, until AC became common, places like Phoenix or Florida didn't have a lot of people living there in the summer. At least in a dry climate you can use swamp coolers, although they're only good for about 20 degrees of cooling, and are worthless where the humidity is high.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)endemic diseases like malaria preceded population influx. There was a reason why the few who could took the children to the mountains for the summer. But of course it was also with air conditioning that industry and middle class jobs moved in.
Very interesting about energy use in cooling down versus heating. I'd heard something but not that it was that dramatic. We use open windows and ceiling fans, and vent heat up and out, which do great things, but in summer the AC usually comes on in the afternoon.
We built this house several years ago, and the trees we added for the house finally have some useful height, but a lot more height and spread are needed on the west. The difference between now and when they were planted around our baking oven is extremely dramatic, though. And I'm so glad I only once cut down the hickory sapling I didn't want "there" to the east, a major climate attack the next summer forcing a rethinking. Its established roots meant its new trunk shot right up, and its current, spreading 40' are in the perfect place to shade the kitchen on summer mornings. I took down the curtains I made to keep the counters, and us, from getting hot a long time ago.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)The way one could in the USA?
How big is Qatar? How many climates?
Jesus.
LeftInTX
(25,258 posts)She likes that kind of weather, but even she is complaining.
She literally freezes if she visits Texas.
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maxsolomon
(33,310 posts)I'm assuming she, and you, are not native Qatari.
LeftInTX
(25,258 posts)maxsolomon
(33,310 posts)I've have Architect friends whose firms do work on the Arabian Peninsula. I think it's morally questionable to design and build for Despots (just a step above designing jails), but money is very powerful.
LeftInTX
(25,258 posts)She specializes in International Law. She retired from a major university here and she doesn't need to work, but she likes what she does.
LeftInTX
(25,258 posts)That's crazy. It's hot year round.
Demovictory9
(32,449 posts)That became abundantly clear in late September, as Doha hosted the 2019 World Athletics Championships. It moved the start time for the womens marathon to midnight Sept. 28. Water stations handed out sponges dipped in ice-cold water. First-aid responders outnumbered the contestants. But temperatures hovered around 90 degrees Fahrenheit and 28 of the 68 starters failed to finish, some taken off in wheelchairs.
It's terrible in every way... but FIFA evidently felt it was an offer they couldn't refuse
Codeine
(25,586 posts)of international soccer officials. The whole thing is an absolute shitshow.
LeftInTX
(25,258 posts)Knew about the FIFA scandal, but this is ridiculous...
TeamPooka
(24,221 posts)She hated an open refrigerator door
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,328 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)cooling. Most wouldn't have to go even mostly underground to get real benefit, just set lower to take advantage of it. Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of sports stadiums didn't eventually move all the way under though. People don't attend to look at the stars.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,328 posts)Sports stadiums can be roofed with solar collectors. Their parking lots are abominations and should be planted with trees. There are better ways of parking cars than paving over the landscape.
Temperatures not far below the surface hover near the annual average of a region. You can pick your comfort zone.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Most stadiums are so ugly to go to. The Rose Bowl where we used to live, a real exception.
But where it'd still be lacking and in congested areas, how about cars and stadium under the park? I remember long ago an urban studies professor at UCLA (the odd class, I didn't major) pointing out that we've always built on and paved over our best land that should have been preserved for other uses. Perhaps in future we'll undo that to some degree, and moving development out of the fertile valleys and onto the hills wouldn't be the only way.
Without heating, our basement here in north GA wouldn't drop below about 50 in the worst winters, and it used to drop into single digits here for relatively brief periods.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,328 posts)Forgot to post a link in my previous post: https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/g324/worlds-strangest-parking-garages/
Cities can be parks, too. Move all vehicles underground and rip up the pavement. (Assuming there will always be a need for some essential, independent vehicles within a city). Build down, not up. For every square meter of pavement, concrete, or building, require a new square meter of native plants.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)used to be freeways cutting through and dividing them. Every decade now humanity has never been here before, but we keep learning and keep progressing.
I don't know why it won't open, but this happy place in Seoul is worth smiling at.
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/lbe5zrodzjmlucs123s7.jpg
I saw your car parking link. That's terrific. The car silo is actually pretty at night. And they do have to be kept lit.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,328 posts)Your link opens even if it won't embed the image.
That reminds me of something I saw on a PBS program. New York City converted an old, unused, elevated rail line into a park rambling through a part of the city. They were worried no one would use it, but it's extremely popular with pedestrians.
Ah, found it -- Growing A Greener World, The New York High Line
Just an acre and a half, but it's better than just more concrete. (First minute is advertising).
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)have replaced freeways with greenways, put stretches underground and planted over, heavily planted stretches so it's like speeding through parkland, etc., and more being planned all the time. Looking at what climate change is doing outside around here, though, it must be causing serious setbacks to this movement even while making it imperative to continue.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,328 posts)One more 'Growing A Greener World', Rooftop Gardens.
Starts at City Hall, Chicago with 20,000 sq ft roof garden, and Charlotte, NC, then, related to your comment about cars and stadiums underground, a garden / park on top of underground parking structure.
As for "green" work in your state ... https://www.atlantawatershed.org/greeninfrastructure/
LeftInTX
(25,258 posts)They don't even get 3 inches of rain per year.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,328 posts)Edit to add:
http://www.floraofqatar.com/
A park should be based on native plants.
a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)Its in the middle of a giant park. Honestly I dont know where the bulk of people park. Most take the train I guess.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,328 posts)This the one? Looks nice and green around there.
a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)Its a great place to watch football. I was just there two weeks ago. It was not sunny, however.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)without thinking about the groundwater level being near the surface.
everything really is as simple as you say if you don't actually know much about it.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,328 posts)The only problems Qatar has with groundwater are:
1. too little
2. pollution by agricultural runoff
3. salinization by intrusion of the ocean
4. karst limestone (cavities and sinkholes)
Any construction disturbs groundwater. It's not an obscure or insurmountable problem.
Demovictory9
(32,449 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,328 posts)Adobe houses work by using a very large thermal mass to even out the temperature swing from day to night.
world wide wally
(21,740 posts)the other side?
Duppers
(28,120 posts)They're guaranteeing that the planet's ultimate climate disaster happens sooner. Humans!
sarisataka
(18,600 posts)Are unforgiving
Demovictory9
(32,449 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)The argument was based around the temperature and air-moisture around the Persian Gulf. One possible scenario stated that the areas around the Persian Gulf could become so hot and moist, that humans could no longer sweat and be at severe risk of dying from heatstroke.
The affected areas were: the southern part of Iran, Kuwait, southern Iraq, eastern and central Saudi-Arabia, all the smaller Gulf-states.
The study said that 100 years from now, the Middle-East would become so hot that there's a good chance for an occasional hot summer-day when every human caught outside would straight-up die.
LeftInTX
(25,258 posts)It's really, really bad in the Persian Gulf. (Worst temps in the world) The tendency would be for areas like Lebanon, Turkey and Northern Iran to become hotter.