Hillary might be right about Tulsi. I don't know. But...

[Tom Rinaldo]

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Hillary just elevated Tulsi's stature by throwing a spotlight onto her. Tulsi was going nowhere. Hillary's attack gives Tulsi just the excuse she needs to run third party if she wants to, so in my opinion, among other things, Hillary's attack was counter productive even if you share Clinton's concern. Plus it is a "Democratic infighting" media distraction just when the media was casting a constant floodlight on Trump's misdeeds. Bah.

[Dennis Donovan]

1. No one in the Democratic Party is benefiting from this.

...and it's clear that the Russians are exploiting this (Russian media has been slamming HRC and praising TG).

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

34. I agree, it only distracts from the top-tier Democratic candidates, UNLESS...

Hillary intends to enter the 2020 primary race, in which case this is a brilliant move to draw attention to herself.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[emulatorloo]

2. Dunno, Clinton has a good track record

[spooky3]

48. agree nt

[triron]

50. Yep. but there are still some 'democrats' who want to throw darts at her.

Frustrating.

[njhoneybadger]

3. It was inevitable. It's better she gets her 15 minutes now and burns out early

[Wellstone ruled]

4. Timing is everything.

Watch and see. Ten Days and the Instant Newsies will move on. Gabbard will take herself off the stage.

[Me.]

5. I Think I Disagree With You

I think everyone is so fed up with Russia associations that it is a mark against anyone with such and I believe the country will want to clear out all those who would be Putin pets

[pandr32]

7. I'm with you.

[dewsgirl]

8. Me too.

[emulatorloo]

9. Me too.

Link to tweet

See also:

Well, see here: RT is supporting Tulsi and bashing Hillary. Hmmm.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212600547

[Me.]

12. WE Need A Russia Name For Her

Should Hillary be correct...something like Moscow Mitch

[LakeArenal]

14. Russki Gabbard?

[WA-03 Democrat]

15. Tulsky

Is the best one I have seen

[Me.]

22. That Would Be A Good One

if she does do the 3rd party thing, it will be take no prisoners time

[2naSalit]

23. +1

[a kennedy]

29. They're the talk of Faux Noise......both Hillary and Tulsi.....

I kinda wish Hillary wouldn’t have said anything...... Gabbard just needs to disappear.

[Cha]

21. I know I disagree with him.

Hillary did us all a Big Patriotic Favor..

Link to tweet

Me

[Me.]

27. I Think She's Warning Us The Best She Can

and did she actually name Tulsi before Tulsi claimed ownership? And for all her viciousness towards HRC, she didn't offer one word of denial.

Hoa

[Cha]

39. No Hillary didn't mention any

names but Gabbard fell right into her trap.

gabbard seemed so pissed, paranoid and gaslit..

Link to tweet

Aloha hoa

[Me.]

44. Um, Tulsky, HRC Said She Isn't Running

and unlike you, I believe her

[uponit7771]

54. THIS !!!!

[Sneederbunk]

6. I believe HRC's silence during 2020 would be golden.

[Cha]

17. Too bad.. There are many who

want to hear from her.

[Eliot Rosewater]

28. FUCKING infuriates me to read on DEMOCRATIC FUCKING UNDERGROUND

that one of the GREATEST AMERICANS AND DEMOCRATS IN HISTORY should be silent

I am SHAKING IN PHYSICAL RAGE RIGHT NOW

[Cha]

33. I know.. they could just

cover their eyes and ears and leave the rest of us in PEACE..

[AnotherMother4Peace]

19. I believe Putin trolls' silence during 2020 would be golden.

[2naSalit]

24. +1

[Scurrilous]

26. ...

[SMC22307]

56. It would, but it's not going to happen. What are Democrats going to do...

to counter Putin's trolls?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

37. Hillary has EVERY right to speak... she, however, needs to choose her words wisely

so as not to distract from the top-tier Democratic candidates who are currently running. And that's the problem... now, all the media wants to focus on is what compromising information Hillary has on Tulsi proving that she's a Russian agent... Hillary should disclose that information as soon as possible to get this distraction behind us.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Sneederbunk]

47. Like it or not HRC had baggage in 2016 and we dealt with it.

We don't need to deal with it now. It conflicts with the focus on winning the presidency in 2020. You just know that Dotard will run again against HRC if he can.

[StarfishSaver]

10. Hillary knows exactly what she's doing

Hillary's never random, impulsive or thoughtless. There's a reason she called out Tulsi when and how she did.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

40. I hope you're right about Hillary...

Do those deliberate actions include Hillary's withholding the information that she has demonstrating the Tulsi is a Russian agent? Why not disclose it now... or is it all part of Hillary's strategy to hold off until the opportune time? Could there be another major announcement coming?


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[blogslut]

11. I think it's time to move these Tulsi threads to the Primaries forum

[Cha]

18. Really. Don't they know she's a Dem

candidate?

[flying_wahini]

13. One way or the other Tulsi should spend her own independent party dollars not the DNC.

She doesn’t have a chance in hell of lasting another month, anyway.

[spanone]

16. Hillary never uttered her name....she exposed herself.

[2naSalit]

25. +1

[GoCubsGo]

45. Yes. Thank you!

All of the MAGA hat flying monkeys who have been rushing to her defense are exposing her even more. And, they're pretty much the only ones who are.

[SMC22307]

20. I agree. I wish she would just shrink into the background...

or else this is going to be 2016 revisited without her even being on the ballot. And we'll f*cking lose...again.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

30. HRC "lost" because of Putin's multifaceted infiltration, i.e.: spreading the "bad candidate" shit.

[StevieM]

31. James Comey dominated that election from start to finish.

He did far more damage with his shenanigans than Putin did.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

41. I think even Hillary herself would admit to that.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[AnotherMother4Peace]

62. All roads lead to Putin.

[SMC22307]

55. And he's going to do that with any Dem candidate. We don't need focus on...

Hillary Clinton or a re-hash of Trump v. Clinton. She's had her time and I hope like hell she works behind the scenes to get our candidate elected, with her carefully choosing her words and actions. The stakes are too high.

[asiliveandbreathe]

32. Tulski - move to third party run will just demonstrate what Hillary

has said to be true...with RT and pootie encouragement..along with cons..what could go wrong...by by Tulski..

[Gore1FL]

35. I don't see the need to change the headlines, either.

They were all about Trump crimes. Now they are "Democrats are Russian assets."

[Vinca]

36. I'm not a fan of Tulsi, but unless Hillary has rock solid evidence and puts it out for everyone to

see, she shouldn't be saying such a thing. It has the same effect she's accusing Tulsi of: slicing and dicing the party. If we don't have unity on election day, we'll be stuck with the orange criminal for 4 more years.

[leftstreet]

38. +1

[StarfishSaver]

43. What did she say that isn't true?

"I think [the Russians have] got their eye on someone who’s currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate. She’s the favorite of the Russians. They have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far."

She didn't accuse Tulsi of anything. She said the Russians have their eye on her, she's their favorite, they have sites and bots supporting her. Why do you believe she needs "rock solid evidence" to say what she thinks the Russians are up to?

[Vinca]

63. Democrats, at this point, should follow the Saint Ronald Reagan rule and not speak illy of a fellow

party member. Tulsi isn't a threat to anyone, but it sure would be nice to have her supporters vote for the eventual Democratic candidate. I sure as hell don't want 4 more years of Trump because we can't get our shit together. If Hillary wants to take shots at anyone, she should focus on the Nut-In-Chief.

[StarfishSaver]

65. So let me get this straight...

Hillary Clinton says she believes the Russians have their eye on a candidate in the Democratic primary whom they're grooming to be a third-party candidate by creating sites and bots and other ways of supporting her.

Tulsi Gabbard responds with a screed of tweets calling Hillary Clinton "the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long," accuses her of being behind a "concerted effort" to destroy Gabbard's reputation and demands Clinton get in the presidential race because "It was always you" and "this race is between you and me" ...

And you're accusing CLINTON of "taking shots" and "speaking ill of a fellow party member"?

Seriously?

[Pathwalker]

67. Seriously amazing, isn't it?

I think they doth protest too much.

[Vinca]

68. "She believes." You answered your own question. Proof is not a bad thing.

[StarfishSaver]

69. What proof does Tulsi have that Hillary is "the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption,

personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long," and is behind a "concerted effort" to destroy Gabbard's reputation?

Or is Hillary Clinton the only person in this scenario whom you believe has no right to express an opinion without submitting a sworn affidavit?

[Me.]

46. Did She Actually Name Tulski?

no, but TG immediately took ownership

[yellowwoodII]

42. I'm Tired of Clinton

I voted for Sanders in the last primary and only finally voted for Clinton because she was the only logical choice left.

You guys are paying way too much to Tulsi.

We have bigger fish to fry. This event is just a blip on the screen.

[ismnotwasm]

71. I love Hillary

I’m sorry you didn’t/don’t

This no fucks given Hillary is the best.

[stopdiggin]

49. Disagree completely

Everybody's entitled to their own. But asking HRC to muzzle herself -- particularly on an issue of such significance (Russian influence, bots, favored candidates) -- is kind of equivalent to all those that were advising Nancy to "show some backbone." Because, you know -- "optics." Don't believe I'm going to be substituting my judgment any time soon on political tactics for either one of this savvy operators. I think they know what they're doing.

(And if anybody didn't already know that TG was thoroughly toxic .. she pretty much removed ALL doubt yesterday. Right?)

[kimbutgar]

51. Hillary never said Tulsi's Name

If Tulsi was not guilty why did she strike back and deny it?

Seems like tulsi was caught.

[Hav]

61. Has she denied it?

In her meltdown yesterday, she said many things but I didn't see a denial. But I might have missed that.
But she certainly thought it was directed at her without being named.

[MFM008]

52. Hillary

Was spot on in her warnings against maggot.
Why should I doubt her instinct now?

[Joe941]

53. Nah. She isnt being elevated at all.

Hillary effectively ended any chance tulsi had left. Finished.

[elleng]

57. Thanks, and right as usual, Tom.

[Guilded Lilly]

58. Tulsi will cause her own demise. Hillary can say whatever she wants! Anytime.

[juxtaposed]

59. This was a really bad move on Hillary's part. R/W radio and fox will work this for

months. It's already the main talking points of weekend R/W radio.

[Hav]

60. Hillary might be right but she shouldn't say anything?

These are the scenarios you describe:
- Hillary is right but keeps it to herself. It turns out to be true and Gabbard makes a 3rd party run
- Hillary did make it public and Gabbard makes a 3rd party run...because Clinton gave her the excuse for it
- Hillary is wrong about what she said

I believe that someone like Hillary has very good reasons when she makes comments like this in public which makes me doubt the third option. If she has solid info, it would be foolish to demand that she should just ignore that.

But it is interesting to see how many come out now (I don't mean the OP), in this thread as well. H. Clinton has a special talent to make people reveal themselves. Gabbard certainly did it yesterday and removed any doubt.

[Mr. Ected]

64. I trust Hillary. I don't necessarily trust those who find Tulsi THE MOST viable

Democratic candidate in the 2020 field.

Certainly there are a smattering of people who genuinely do. But there are also a cadre of disinformation cockroaches slithering online. And some of them are inevitably going to park themselves right here, in our forums.

Like I say, I trust Hillary.

[leftyladyfrommo]

66. Showed a side of Tulsi that is really, really ugly. nt

[Stuart G]

70. About Tulsi and Hillary. Who is telling the truth and who is a liar?

It seems that Tulsi has not told the truth about herself. end of discussion

[Yonnie3]

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