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kentuck

(111,076 posts)
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 09:37 AM Oct 2019

If Democrats had not won the House in 2018...

...we may have already lost our democracy and our Constitution?

One thing has become clear over the last three years. The Republican Party is not capable or willing to defend our Constitution. They are surrender monkeys.

Where would our nation be today if we did not have the Democrats in charge of the House? How far would this lawless and reckless autocrat have gone?

A Party that is incapable of defending our Constitution has no legitimacy to exist. They are a threat to our nation's survival.

They have shown who they are and what they stand for.

The Republican Party is a disgrace.

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If Democrats had not won the House in 2018... (Original Post) kentuck Oct 2019 OP
No doubt about it. blm Oct 2019 #1
Agreed with a caveat... Moostache Oct 2019 #2
Mindless pods Cosmocat Oct 2019 #11
Agree 1000% Karma13612 Oct 2019 #13
Absolutely this! BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #48
Also shows if you are going to have just one House of Congress exboyfil Oct 2019 #3
But the Senate cannot impeach. kentuck Oct 2019 #5
Judges ... Cosmocat Oct 2019 #12
+1 flibbitygiblets Oct 2019 #21
I'd change that 'probably' to moonscape Oct 2019 #37
Doesn't matter. It leaves a mark. calimary Oct 2019 #52
the GOP is the greatest threat to the United States Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #4
Agreed. The second greatest is fox news. nature-lover Oct 2019 #42
K & R...for truth... Wounded Bear Oct 2019 #6
I was thinking the exact same thing last night! Dr Rise Oct 2019 #7
The GOP is the world's largest white supremacist criminal enterprise dalton99a Oct 2019 #8
THIS SAYS IT ALL... yuiyoshida Oct 2019 #9
I saw this the other day. Karma13612 Oct 2019 #16
These people are true yuiyoshida Oct 2019 #18
Like any one of these jagoffs know how to speak Russian. They can't even speak English. flibbitygiblets Oct 2019 #23
Not sure about eating their veggies but yuiyoshida Oct 2019 #24
Nothing to see here. Aussie105 Oct 2019 #36
Anyone?🤔 SammyWinstonJack Oct 2019 #47
To that we answer ... FakeNoose Oct 2019 #38
Oh Bravo... yuiyoshida Oct 2019 #41
I love this! BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #49
Surrender monkeys, I love it. Pepsidog Oct 2019 #10
When People Show You Who They Are Believe Them, the First Time. -- Maya Angelou OMGWTF Oct 2019 #14
And we knew it. xxqqqzme Oct 2019 #15
Excellent! 👏👍❤️ N/t Karma13612 Oct 2019 #17
The retrumplicans are not merely "surrender monkeys". Texin Oct 2019 #19
I don't believe we would have lost our Constitution. It would still be there. CaptainTruth Oct 2019 #20
I shudder to think where we'd be if we hadn't taken back the House StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #22
It really is a scary thought... kentuck Oct 2019 #30
Don't preach to the choir, figure out how to convince the deplorables bucolic_frolic Oct 2019 #25
The GOP and their corporate enablers primary goal: fill the courts w/ corporate-friendly judges Auggie Oct 2019 #26
The Republican Party is a ethically bankrupt. ffr Oct 2019 #27
There were some folks here who thought we were overdoing the malaise Oct 2019 #28
We must always be mindful of Fox Network's role too Pluvious Oct 2019 #29
Fox has huge role, but many people and groups fund and pull the strings MyMission Oct 2019 #46
Wow, that's just insane Pluvious Oct 2019 #53
yup. pwb Oct 2019 #31
K&R Cetacea Oct 2019 #32
Exactly..Trump has already stated that parts of our Constitution were phoney. INdemo Oct 2019 #33
At best, they are surrender monkeys. warmfeet Oct 2019 #34
The Republican Party is a disgrace. Aussie105 Oct 2019 #35
Since Raygun it has been showing burrowowl Oct 2019 #43
HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. Kid Berwyn Oct 2019 #39
Except . . . Aussie105 Oct 2019 #40
Thank Goodness we Did.. Thanks to mostly Cha Oct 2019 #44
Most of the GOP (NRA) is Putin paid for. C Moon Oct 2019 #45
Good to remember in Nov 2020 Raven123 Oct 2019 #50
Republicans are Quislings. no_hypocrisy Oct 2019 #51

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
2. Agreed with a caveat...
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 09:40 AM
Oct 2019

The Republican VOTER is a disgrace. They should be ashamed of themselves and they should be embarrassed to ever speak publicly of their hideous beliefs...

Pompous, hypocritical, racist surrender monkeys indeed.

Cosmocat

(14,561 posts)
11. Mindless pods
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 10:25 AM
Oct 2019

They have devolved to the point where they excuse any and EVERY thing because "he is pissing the left off!" and they will vote for him because "it pisses the left off."

WTF the media and country at large continues to bend over backwards to indulge them is my major frustration.

40% of this country is just fucking lost. This country has to recognize, accept that and act accordingly.

BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
48. Absolutely this!
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 05:30 AM
Oct 2019

But any Democrat who was eligible to and did NOT vote in 2016, or who voted for a third party candidate then, is also a disgrace.

Thank heavens that so many came out and voted for Dems in 2018!!! Those Dems redeemed themselves.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
3. Also shows if you are going to have just one House of Congress
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 09:40 AM
Oct 2019

It needs to be the Senate. Unless you can convince four or five of the smaller states that their best interest lies in the Democratic party, our country is doomed.

kentuck

(111,076 posts)
5. But the Senate cannot impeach.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 10:03 AM
Oct 2019

Only the House can begin the process of removal of a President, unless it is a 25th Amendment issue.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
21. +1
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 11:03 AM
Oct 2019

also impeachment is toothless without conviction, which can only be done in the Senate. Bill Clinton was impeached in the house, and still remained a very effective POTUS.

Also the house has passed a ton of bills that the senate simply ignores. We need the Senate, and we probably need a stronger leader than Schumer when that happens.

calimary

(81,197 posts)
52. Doesn't matter. It leaves a mark.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 08:03 AM
Oct 2019

We need to leave a mark.

For the history books.

So his name will ALWAYS have that asterisk next to it. Nothing he can say or tweet or spin will get rid of that mark - although I strongly suspect that after he’s impeached, assuming the Senate doesn’t produce enough votes to convict, trump will try various sneaky-ass maneuvers and schemes to have his friends scrub the record or somehow retract or nullify an impeachment.

And if things REALLY get to hot, I still expect him to try to sneak out of town some dark night. And maybe go hide in the Crimea or some such Russian “safety zone.”

Wounded Bear

(58,634 posts)
6. K & R...for truth...
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 10:05 AM
Oct 2019

Kind of prescient of the Founders knowing that we need to do that more often than the other offices in gov't.

The people's house to our defense.

dalton99a

(81,433 posts)
8. The GOP is the world's largest white supremacist criminal enterprise
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 10:06 AM
Oct 2019

masquerading as a political party


Karma13612

(4,549 posts)
16. I saw this the other day.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 10:38 AM
Oct 2019

Incredibly sad.

I’m not good with history, dates and ages, but I am guessing their fathers or grandfathers fought and possibly died in a war against communism.

How have we become so illiterate, devolved and corroded that we think Russia is OK?

WTF indeed.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
18. These people are true
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 10:43 AM
Oct 2019

traitors, not patriots...I'd say f**k them..they should be made to sit in a classroom and read out loud what Stalin did...and hey. maybe what Putin has been up to for the last several years. This is ignorance at its highest peak.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
23. Like any one of these jagoffs know how to speak Russian. They can't even speak English.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 11:11 AM
Oct 2019

Look at them all, proud of their ignorance and stupidity. I guess I shouldn't be happy about this, but judging by their appearance, none of them have eaten a vegetable in some time. So they probably won't be around much longer.

Aussie105

(5,377 posts)
36. Nothing to see here.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 08:31 PM
Oct 2019

Just angry, old white men trying desperately to be relevant.
Except their crumbling brain cells have called it wrong.

Rule of thumb:
Anyone over the age of 55 expressing their opinion? Ignore it, ignore them, call them out for what they are if you must . . . . DOTARDS!

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
15. And we knew it.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 10:36 AM
Oct 2019

At least here in Orange County, I have never seen Democrats work so hard or been so motivated. dana rohrabacher was elected to Congress when I moved here. I had despaired of him ever being defeated. But we got rid of him in 2018. Every congressional rethuglican was replaced by a Democrat. It was grassroots' success too. New life is being enjoyed by the DPOC. Last year, our Dem club reserved one table for the annual Truman Dinner. This year it was 3 1/2 tables!

I mean this feels GOOD!

Texin

(2,594 posts)
19. The retrumplicans are not merely "surrender monkeys".
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 10:49 AM
Oct 2019

They are violators of the Constitution and the rule of law. They gleefully abuse their power to line their pockets and those of their children and rich friends. As long as they can scrape a dollar from every natural resource that provides monetary reward or bilk the taxpayers for whatever boondoggle they can conceive, they'll enable this (indeed any) festering spawn of hell for as long they believe it's politically safe. They are all corrupt. It's just matter of degree between them.

CaptainTruth

(6,583 posts)
20. I don't believe we would have lost our Constitution. It would still be there.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 10:59 AM
Oct 2019

Granted, Trump & the GOP would be completely ignoring every bit of it with the exception of the 2nd Amendment, but it would still be there.

And when Democrats take control again we will take our government back to being one that respects, honors, & obeys that Constitution.
 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
22. I shudder to think where we'd be if we hadn't taken back the House
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 11:03 AM
Oct 2019

I preferred winning the Senate because of judges. But I'm thrilled and relieved we took the House. Especially THIS House.

kentuck

(111,076 posts)
30. It really is a scary thought...
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 12:40 PM
Oct 2019

Trump would be worse than what he is right now, if that is conceivable.

bucolic_frolic

(43,123 posts)
25. Don't preach to the choir, figure out how to convince the deplorables
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 11:23 AM
Oct 2019

I don't want to divide the country, but Democrats need to support businesses that support democracy instead of pseudo-fascist enterprises

Auggie

(31,156 posts)
26. The GOP and their corporate enablers primary goal: fill the courts w/ corporate-friendly judges
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 11:33 AM
Oct 2019

You can call it not defending the constitution if you want, but its really a coup to take over 1/3 of the government. Corrupt Presidents come and go. Majorities in the House and Senate change all the time. Federal judges are forever.

malaise

(268,887 posts)
28. There were some folks here who thought we were overdoing the
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 11:53 AM
Oct 2019

celebrations.

Elections have consequences - Go Dems! Keep Walking Speaker Nancy P.

Pluvious

(4,308 posts)
29. We must always be mindful of Fox Network's role too
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 12:39 PM
Oct 2019

We have a number of problems in our Country, the root cause of many of them are due to this vile product of their brainwashing success.

MyMission

(1,849 posts)
46. Fox has huge role, but many people and groups fund and pull the strings
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:39 AM
Oct 2019

Found an article I read 8 years ago titled "The-enemies-within-the-20-most-dangerous-conservatives-and-their-organizations". Interesting, it's from a Christian left blog! I posted the link below.

In 2011 they listed 20, and mention Roger Ailes (he's dead) and fox first, Rupert Murdoch and his assorted news organizations ninth, the Koch brothers (one's dead) second, Dick Armey and the tea party third. Pat Robertson is sixth. Edwin Feulner, Jr. of heritage foundation is seventh.

I didn't see the Mercer's on this list, or Rush limbug, or Franklin Graham (Billy was still alive when this list was made), or Cambridge analytica founded in 2013, or the Federalist society which is funded by some of these folks. They all exert influence on conservative politicians and gullible voters.

This is the closing paragraph:
"And there you have it. All of these people and their organizations pose a serious threat to the American people. They target women, senior citizens, minorities, homosexuals, non-Christians, and American workers. So which person or organization is the most dangerous to democracy? The common thread throughout the list is the Koch brothers. They have ties to many of the people and organizations on the list and share many of the same goals. If one were to remove the Koch brothers from the equation an important source of funding and leadership would be eliminated from the conservative sphere. The Koch brothers are by far the biggest threat to American values and institutions. The truly evil thing about this group is that NONE of them are elected by the people. Yet they have more power and influence over our elected officials and system of law and government, than we do."

http://www.thechristianleftblog.org/blog-home/the-enemies-within-the-20-most-dangerous-conservatives-and-their-organizations

We must be mindful of these people and groups as well. They represent an axis of evil with far reaching tentacles, that we are trying to repel and defeat.

Pluvious

(4,308 posts)
53. Wow, that's just insane
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 11:42 AM
Oct 2019

Can pursuit of more and more wealth and power be all that drive them ?

So many sick fuks out there.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
33. Exactly..Trump has already stated that parts of our Constitution were phoney.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 07:17 PM
Oct 2019

Here is what I expected if the Democrats had lost the House:
The Republicans would have said that our form of Government is outdated and we need to overhaul our system
Its like we have two systems of Government. The Fascist Government of the White House and Senate and the Democratic Democracy of the House of Representatives.

But the Republicans still have the Right Wing Media

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
34. At best, they are surrender monkeys.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 08:12 PM
Oct 2019

At worst, they are entirely complicit in the crimes that have been committed.

I am currently leaning towards the latter, at least regarding their leadership. The rank and file thoroughly enjoy being dotards.

Aussie105

(5,377 posts)
35. The Republican Party is a disgrace.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 08:24 PM
Oct 2019

BUT I think it goes much deeper than that.

It's obvious to some Trump has been subverting or rorting the system. As have other, previous presidents, but Trump is in a league of his own. A Mafia Don would be proud of him, getting away with it for three years - or his whole life, depending on your view.

But it begs the bigger question:
Can we put this entirely on one political party? (Granted the ratbags in politics seem to naturally gravitate to the biggest feeding troughs, like a herd of feral, hungry swine.)

Are there no people with serious power in either camp that can get some real time consideration of bad behaviour from leaders, and tap them on their shoulders, and say, George T style, 'Oh My! You should NOT be thinking of doing that!'

As is, the reaction to Don's casual attitude is years too late. The damage has been done.

For one, get rid of the 'Executive Orders' power thing, it seems to over-ride normal processes and makes a mockery of them. Same for 'presidential pardons'.
A President is a public servant, not a King, after all. He should NOT have the power of deciding who lives or dies, or get away with criminal behaviour.
In short, curtail the power of the POTUS position, and increase oversight within the party in power.

And for crying out loud, lock down the validity of the next election! Paper ballots only!

And a full media black out of political info one week before the next election. TV, Radio, Social Media. A blanket ban.
To give those with aching brain cells some time to clear their heads.

burrowowl

(17,637 posts)
43. Since Raygun it has been showing
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:31 AM
Oct 2019

It’s true colors and it’s imperialism has been going on a long long time, hopefully our nation will learn from this and become the America we had believed it was.

Kid Berwyn

(14,863 posts)
39. HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 08:36 PM
Oct 2019

Nice ring to it.

Barr quashed the investigation of all that Taylor today revealed.

Cha

(297,123 posts)
44. Thank Goodness we Did.. Thanks to mostly
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:36 AM
Oct 2019

moderate Dems campaigning on Health Care.. at Nancy Pelosi's advice.

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