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scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 10:33 PM Oct 2019

When the Republicans turn on Trump, it will happen all at once


Republicans, being the authoritarian-minded creatures that they are, are like a pack of hyenas. They will stick together behind the "Alpha" as long as they perceive the Alpha to be strong.

But as soon as the Alpha is visibly wounded and weak, they will destroy them in order to take the mantle.



Trump knows this. It is why he is calling McConnell 3 times a day, reportedly. As long as he can keep the pack together, he has a chance to survive this.


But McConnell's behavior the past few days is very telling. He's making sure there is daylight between him and Trump. He's hedging his bets.


Trump's biggest problem is that nobody really likes him or is loyal to him. Not really. They pretend, in order to gain favor, but they don't have any affection or loyalty to the man.


If things turn, they will turn in an instant. None of them will want to be the last one holding the bag.... a trickle will become a flood in the Senate in a very short period of time.


Watch.
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When the Republicans turn on Trump, it will happen all at once (Original Post) scheming daemons Oct 2019 OP
I agree SterlingPound Oct 2019 #1
Yup! BigmanPigman Oct 2019 #2
When it comes to pretending, once they ditch him they will pretend they don't know him RockRaven Oct 2019 #3
I tell ya - it'll be like what happened with "the faithful" after Watergate. calimary Oct 2019 #17
Yep! moose65 Oct 2019 #49
tRump? Heard the name before...wasn't he the coffee guy? SeattleVet Oct 2019 #4
The COVFEFE Guy nt smb Oct 2019 #42
Yep, agree!!! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2019 #5
I've felt for a long time that McConnell is the lynchpin holding everything together. Kablooie Oct 2019 #6
I think McConnell's got dirty hands, as well as most of them. C Moon Oct 2019 #27
That would be great lordsummerisle Oct 2019 #7
The sooner, the better! Meadowoak Oct 2019 #34
The Senate Republicans fear the Trumpanzees more than anything else Mr. Ected Oct 2019 #8
can't you imagine stopdiggin Oct 2019 #9
Yeah, it's not a back room. It's an indoor pool. calimary Oct 2019 #25
I agree with OP except for one thing SCantiGOP Oct 2019 #10
It really depends on who turns on him. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #11
Again, like Nixon. He had pretty much full support in the Senate... TreasonousBastard Oct 2019 #12
I was going to say this. Good job! :p NCLefty Oct 2019 #32
Like this central scrutinizer Oct 2019 #13
hate trump & the repugs FM123 Oct 2019 #15
Exactly this Hekate Oct 2019 #18
It Doesn't Take A Great Actor To Recognize A Bad One... smb Oct 2019 #43
Of course - because they'll all have discussed the matter behind closed doors redqueen Oct 2019 #14
They won't. nt awesomerwb1 Oct 2019 #16
Soon, please Hekate Oct 2019 #19
Holding out for another sc pick? jeffreyi Oct 2019 #20
not until limnbauugh turns on him certainot Oct 2019 #21
⬆⬆⬆ BINGO ⬆⬆⬆ Duppers Oct 2019 #31
boycott and protest the 87 universities that support 260 limbaugh stations- best value per protestor certainot Oct 2019 #39
Thank you. Duppers Oct 2019 #40
This. n/t ms liberty Oct 2019 #37
I think you're right. They're all trying to "handle" the narcissist. pnwmom Oct 2019 #22
this is spot on EveHammond13 Oct 2019 #23
Remember what happened to Scar? Whatthe_Firetruck Oct 2019 #57
The primary qualification for Republican senators in recent years has been lack of character. hay rick Oct 2019 #24
IF they turn, it will happen quickly, but I'm not looking for a frenzy. They will be subtle. Midnight Writer Oct 2019 #26
his overall approval rating would havr to drop to under 25 lapfog_1 Oct 2019 #28
You're... Duppers Oct 2019 #33
Agreed relayerbob Oct 2019 #29
I'll believe it when we finally see it. This has never been normal times since Rush started rusty quoin Oct 2019 #30
Yup. It will go from sycophants to a pack of hungry jackals in a single news cycle Recursion Oct 2019 #35
Agree DeminPennswoods Oct 2019 #36
Avalanche. Mc Mike Oct 2019 #38
That's what happened to Nixon, as well. MineralMan Oct 2019 #41
I agree with you completely. My guess is somewhere between 25 and 35% approval .. Stuart G Oct 2019 #44
I agree. ElementaryPenguin Oct 2019 #45
Once the evangelicals realize that Christians in Syria louis-t Oct 2019 #46
"Trump? I'm not sure I ever even heard of him! Who was he again? Oh, him! struggle4progress Oct 2019 #47
Are you saying BonnieJW Oct 2019 #48
Look at the case of George W Bush and Dick Cheney LiberalLovinLug Oct 2019 #50
That is essentially what happened to Nixon. gordianot Oct 2019 #51
They have no problem getting behind a deranged criminal sociopath DBoon Oct 2019 #52
In a New York second pbmus Oct 2019 #53
Losing in primary versus getting clobbered in general election YessirAtsaFact Oct 2019 #54
If Republicans turn on Trump en masse, within a month they will be saying they never supported him. Nitram Oct 2019 #55
I'm tired of waiting for Repubs to "see the light" and get their sanity back Blue_Tires Oct 2019 #56

RockRaven

(19,375 posts)
3. When it comes to pretending, once they ditch him they will pretend they don't know him
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 10:37 PM
Oct 2019

and never supported him.

calimary

(90,021 posts)
17. I tell ya - it'll be like what happened with "the faithful" after Watergate.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:21 AM
Oct 2019

I remember making a mental note about it. You couldn’t find anyone who’d admit they’d voted for Nixon. You couldn’t pay somebody to say they voted for Nixon.

Well he got elected, though, didn’t he? Lots and lots of votes! More than his opponent. WAY more! I think McGovern carried exactly one state. Gee, where’d everybody go?

moose65

(3,454 posts)
49. Yep!
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 04:36 PM
Oct 2019

And they will find some way to blame this all on Democrats! "If only those libtards had won the election, this wouldn't have happened." "It's Democrats' fault he got elected in the first place." "He was never a Republican - he was a secret commie libtard."

Kablooie

(19,107 posts)
6. I've felt for a long time that McConnell is the lynchpin holding everything together.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 10:45 PM
Oct 2019

He's the one that will destroy any Republican who turns against Trump.

But if he decides to turn, anyone who decides to stay with Trump will be in danger.

I expect he tolerates Trump because Trump grabs all the spotlight which allows McConnell to get away with a lot of things that normally would bring a lot of scrutiny.

Mr. Ected

(9,714 posts)
8. The Senate Republicans fear the Trumpanzees more than anything else
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 10:50 PM
Oct 2019

You got a big segment of the American people convinced that your fearless leader is the victim of the Deep State and liberals are behind it all. They'll snap if Trump goes down, but they'll snap first on the GOP leaders that succumbed to the imaginary DS.

stopdiggin

(15,463 posts)
9. can't you imagine
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 10:51 PM
Oct 2019

there are back room discussions going on right now? Trying to hammer our contingencies and a narrative that everyone can hide behind, when the water finally tops the flood gates.

probably sounds a bit like this: "Policy that we can support .. and character issues that we cannot. Many people serving honorably .. and with the best interests of the nation and it's people at heart."

calimary

(90,021 posts)
25. Yeah, it's not a back room. It's an indoor pool.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:59 AM
Oct 2019

They’re swimming in flop sweat. Soon they’ll be drowning in it.

SCantiGOP

(14,719 posts)
10. I agree with OP except for one thing
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 10:52 PM
Oct 2019

I think their fawning obedience is less trying to gain favor and more fear that he will get some Magat to primary them.

In SC the only incumbent republican to lose a House seat in the past 5 elections was Mark Sanford, who criticized Trump and then lost his primary to an insane candidate who Trump promoted.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
11. It really depends on who turns on him.
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 10:52 PM
Oct 2019

If Romney, Collins, Gardner and a few others indicate they'll vote to convict, McConnell probably won't sweat it too much. But there could come a point when the dam really breaks and it becomes clear that they are better off in 2020 if Trump is removed from office.

Trump represents their best chance at keeping the White House, but that could change or cease to matter in the big picture. If Trump remaining in office means they'll lose their Senate majority, Republicans may dump him. One thing we know is that Republicans won't dump Trump because it's the right thing to do but because it's in their best interests.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
12. Again, like Nixon. He had pretty much full support in the Senate...
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 10:56 PM
Oct 2019

until he didn't and they pushed him out.

redqueen

(115,186 posts)
14. Of course - because they'll all have discussed the matter behind closed doors
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 10:59 PM
Oct 2019

long before it becomes public knowledge.

If there is one thing the GOP is good at, it's messaging. They'll get every duck lined up before marching them in front of mics and cameras.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
21. not until limnbauugh turns on him
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:51 AM
Oct 2019

it is amazing how much power 1500 coordinated radio stations have had for 30 years and how little credit that messaging dominator gets from the left

Duppers

(28,469 posts)
31. ⬆⬆⬆ BINGO ⬆⬆⬆
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:40 AM
Oct 2019

This! This is what happened to my brother: a steady diet of a.m. radio while he made a living behind the wheel. He's now beyond hope, disgustingly brainwashed.

Change the ownership of these stations!!! Boycott their sponsors.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
39. boycott and protest the 87 universities that support 260 limbaugh stations- best value per protestor
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 08:45 AM
Oct 2019

best value per protestor ever

those would be something different and get media. media would scare the crap out of republicans who scream "free speech!" because they depend heavily on those radio stations to get elected and obstruct and pass legislation and attack their opponents.

the community discussion would scare advertisers even if the uni didn't start looking for apolitical alternatives to broadcast sport.

republicans would freak out more and get more attention to it.

if one uni started the process of pulling support for rw radio others would follow. imagine schools like penn state, michigan, mich state, fla..... that's almost 50 limbaugh stations

at some point the advertising industry would get the message and have to start asking clients if they really wanted to support trump, global warming denial, etc - especially with artificial intelligence making it so easy to list advertisers without listening

sorry to hear about your bro

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
22. I think you're right. They're all trying to "handle" the narcissist.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:52 AM
Oct 2019

They don't love him.

When they finally realize they can't handle him, all bets are off.

 

EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
23. this is spot on
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:54 AM
Oct 2019

"Republicans, being the authoritarian-minded creatures that they are, are like a pack of hyenas."

Whatthe_Firetruck

(610 posts)
57. Remember what happened to Scar?
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:44 AM
Oct 2019

In the Lion King, Scar used the hyenas as his enforcers (with blatantly facist overtones), while scorning them. But when he was defeated by Simba and appealed to them for help, they turned on him.

One can only hope...

hay rick

(9,605 posts)
24. The primary qualification for Republican senators in recent years has been lack of character.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:57 AM
Oct 2019

The people that finance and own the party have put their support behind candidates who will listen to their "betters" and are willing to earnestly repeat talking points that they don't believe. Republican senators have been required to mouth empty phrases supporting and praising a man they secretly hold in contempt. When the time comes, they will turn on him without hesitation and without regret.

Midnight Writer

(25,410 posts)
26. IF they turn, it will happen quickly, but I'm not looking for a frenzy. They will be subtle.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:01 AM
Oct 2019

But i don't think they will turn.

I think they will brazen it out until Election Day. Even if they get voted out, there will be a blazing hot Lame Duck session.

lapfog_1

(31,904 posts)
28. his overall approval rating would havr to drop to under 25
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:05 AM
Oct 2019

and with his brain washed (and not terribly bright to begin with) base and the propaganda news channels, that just isn't going to happen

 

rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
30. I'll believe it when we finally see it. This has never been normal times since Rush started
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:27 AM
Oct 2019

the brainwashing in the late 80s.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
35. Yup. It will go from sycophants to a pack of hungry jackals in a single news cycle
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:47 AM
Oct 2019

Fingers crossed.

DeminPennswoods

(17,506 posts)
36. Agree
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 05:27 AM
Oct 2019

Think your analogy is spot on.

Also, McConnell's highest priority is keeping his power in the Senate. If he senses the Senate is seriously in play for a Dem takeover because of Trump. Well, bye bye Donald, it was nice knowing you...

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
41. That's what happened to Nixon, as well.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 10:13 AM
Oct 2019

Suddenly, he was told by Republicans that it was time to go - so he went.

That time is approaching for Trump, too.

It's called "cutting your losses."

Stuart G

(38,726 posts)
44. I agree with you completely. My guess is somewhere between 25 and 35% approval ..
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 11:31 AM
Oct 2019

When it gets down that low, Trump will leave because he will be told he "must" leave. You are correct.
... I don't know what that really is.. But there is a point, where he will be told to leave, and he will. Without support from the party, he is the "dead meat" that he appears to be.

louis-t

(24,618 posts)
46. Once the evangelicals realize that Christians in Syria
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 11:56 AM
Oct 2019

are being driven from their homes by drumpy's actions, they should turn on him. But they have selective hearing, so....

struggle4progress

(126,154 posts)
47. "Trump? I'm not sure I ever even heard of him! Who was he again? Oh, him!
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:06 PM
Oct 2019

Well, I certainly never supported him! In fact, I have always been one of his biggest not-supporters! I was not supporting him from almost before I ever heard of him, which was only a few minutes ago!"

BonnieJW

(3,124 posts)
48. Are you saying
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 02:52 PM
Oct 2019

that the "alpha" isn't visibly wounded right now? My God, the man is ranting nonsense and he's doing things globally that have tremendous impact on thousands. I can see this maniac launching something horrendous. Hopefully, the military will keep him quiet and a doctor will keep him sedated.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,689 posts)
50. Look at the case of George W Bush and Dick Cheney
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 05:10 PM
Oct 2019

I don't know of any other party in any other western democracy, that excluded their former President and VP from an election convention as did the Republicans in their post-Bush defeat convention. Neither Bush or Cheney were invited to speak. When the convention before, on the eve of Bush's second term, they were the featured speakers, along with their merry band of neo-cons. As soon as their record of starting a crippling depression, and the growing opposition to the Iraq invasion, started sinking in after they were defeated by Obama, they wanted nothing to do with them, for publicity sake.

Although Trump is an enigma. He will not go quietly into a painting studio to paint dogs as W has done. Or set up a foundation to help aids sufferers in Africa as the Clintons did, or build homes for the homeless as Carter has done. No, he will tweet twice as much, with even less restraint, with even wilder CTs. May even start his own Trump network and hire CT nuts like Alex Jones and others to have their own shows. He will not go quietly into the night.

gordianot

(15,772 posts)
51. That is essentially what happened to Nixon.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 05:23 PM
Oct 2019

Severe cracks will appear when Rudy is indicted. Who got money from those 51 bank accounts?

DBoon

(24,987 posts)
52. They have no problem getting behind a deranged criminal sociopath
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 05:28 PM
Oct 2019

until he displays weakness.

That's because the republican worldview consists solely of the worship of power.

YessirAtsaFact

(2,113 posts)
54. Losing in primary versus getting clobbered in general election
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 05:38 PM
Oct 2019

It’s all about the poll numbers and there are already a lot of people ready to ditch Trump.

That’s only going to get worse for the GOP. Trump’s his own worst enemy now. He will continue to double down and follow his gut. That’s only appealing to about 1/3 of the voters.

Nitram

(27,749 posts)
55. If Republicans turn on Trump en masse, within a month they will be saying they never supported him.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 05:39 PM
Oct 2019
 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
56. I'm tired of waiting for Repubs to "see the light" and get their sanity back
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 05:40 PM
Oct 2019

So I'm just going to proceed under the assumption that they WILL NOT turn on him no matter how bad it gets...

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