The photo of Fat Nixon and "his" generals was taken 2 hours *after* the raid.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

He was playing golf when the raid actually took place.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[dalton99a]

1. A fake, a phony, a fraud and a con man

[jmowreader]

41. That describes Trump to a T

But about the other three...”toady” is a good word.

[TheBlackAdder]

75. Did they all shove massive cucumbers up their asses? Why do they have pained expressions?

.

Oh, Trump probably came up with the lies and are forcing the others to play ball.

.

[redstatebluegirl]

2. Trying to replicate the picture of Obama and Clinton during the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden.

Except in that picture there were women and people of color. Not a bunch of old white guys.

[underpants]

7. What's ironic is that Obama playing golf when Bin Laden was killed

is a staple of right wing lore. They have many events that they claim Obama was playing golf when they happened.

[Chemisse]

11. And they weren't all sitting around a table trying to look important.

They were actually on-the-spot engaged in the raid. Trump can't even spare an afternoon for the job.

[Scarsdale]

22. He is ALWAYS there

for photo ops, however. Seeing that obscenely ugly face is getting so very old. I am sick of seeing his ugly mug.

[smirkymonkey]

27. Seriously. Not to be dramatic, but I really feel traumatized by the sight

of that hideous bastard. I can instantly feel a change (for the worse) in my body the minute I see him, whether in print, video or live television.

[Scarsdale]

31. Me too.

I was no fan of Dubya, but tRump awakens feelings in me like I have never felt before. I think part of it is that he is such a phony piece of CRAP, yet people treat him as though he is a legitimate president. He is not even close. The gop needs to be destroyed at the next election, kept out of power for decades, until the government is on the right track. They are complete failures at electing decent, intelligent, honest people especially as president. Maybe it is because their party attracts the dregs, not the cream of the crop.

[smirkymonkey]

35. I agree with every word you have said.

Especially the part about the fact that he is such a phony piece of crap, but people treat him like he is legitimate. This joke is getting very old and it was never funny.

[Doitnow]

55. I wouldn't let them control the government after we got it on track. Seems like that's exactly

what we've been doing----cleaning up after the Republicans time after time and then handing control right back just so they repeat with another mess. . The Democrats should keep control for a few generations in a row before ceding power so people can get a good look at how to govern properly, for the people. That is, if we have Democrats with guts to do the job of leading us back to the true ideals of the Democratic party.. That is one hig reason I choose Bernie Sanders to be our next president. Trust, heart, perseverance, courage and leadership. He's got it all.

[flibbitygiblets]

43. +1

Everything about him is repellent. His pores are large enough to carry loose change. I'll stop and go look at some kittens to soothe myself.

[Chemisse]

72. The sight of him is a stressor in my life.

I scroll quickly in Facebook so I can see the headline below but the picture is no longer in view.

His face is so filled with hate. His soul is a dark, squiggly, ugly mess.

[calimary]

40. Trying to best President Obama again.

[DemocracyMouse]

48. You have a point. But it's also, sorry to say, racist and ageist.

If you described the people in that room as "privileged, overPaid psycophants" I'd be cheering you on. There are MILLIONS of so-called "old white guys" who are NOT rich, NOT psycophants, NOT corrupt and 100% in favor of equality.

[YOHABLO]

52. That would be me!!

[bucolic_frolic]

71. Agree

we must not divide America as we compartmentalize Trump and his minions

[Beartracks]

80. True. Old white guys are not the problem. Are they over-represented? Sure.

But being an old white guy is not a mark of shame or dishonor, not does it render one's opinions or leadership invalid.

Trump's problem is not that he's an old white guy. His problem is that he's an ignorant, narcissistic buffoon with a psychopath's lack of empathy.

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[Wounded Bear]

3. There's another thread saying how this looked staged...

Look at the expressions on the real military guys. They're not happy to be there, and ain't real good with the "I killed a bad guy" look.

[dalton99a]

6. Yep

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212627545

[Perseus]

17. Why do they lend themselves for the picture? I expect more from the military than

just a fat old men serving another fat old man for a fake photo, don't they know they are complicit of a huge lie?

[shanti]

46. Because he's the CIC

and they have no choice in the matter. This pic is so different than Obama's re bin Laden. Nobody in that pic is posing for the camera.

[Blue_true]

65. Because Trump told them to. Their choice, do it or quit.

They likely realize that the country could be fucked if they quit.

My guess is Trump was not told about the raid. In fact, his debacle with the Kurds two weeks ago likely endangered the raid and caused the planners to pull it up.

[Maeve]

4. So surprised....NOT

It's a phony looking shot, anyway

[htuttle]

5. It's not as if they'd tell him about it ahead of time

He would have fucking tweeted it...

[Hortensis]

32. My thought also. They wouldn't dare tell him!

I'm wondering if the story he's telling about not fulfilling his legal duty to inform congress's "gang of 8" to prevent leaks stems from some excuse they fed him.

[Chemisse]

73. That makes a lot of sense. It implies that HE knew and withheld it, when he probably didn't.

Although maybe they told him it was impending after it was done? That would have fed his ego yet kept the secret safe.

[Hortensis]

74. Yes. I don't see how they could tell him until after Delta etcetera

were safe out, but by then they have a very delayed duty.

[Blue_true]

66. Exactly. He would have tweeted that something big was about to happen.

My guess is the generals would have liked to have been sure about al Baghdadi and took him out in a drone strike, but Trump's incompetence on Syria and the Kurds caused them to pull in a raid and risk troops.

[JHB]

8. Raid time: 3:30 pm. Left his golf club at 3:33 pm

He spent the 5 hours before the mission out playing golf, and and didn't start back tot he WH until after it had started. Not the behavior of someone particularly interested in what was happening.

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Jennifer Hayden
@Scout_Finch
Replying to
@PeteSouza
According to this website which tracks Trump's golf outings. He left the club at 3:33pm. He was golfing at the time of the raid.

https://trumpgolfcount.com/displayoutings


https://publicpool.kinja.com/subject-in-town-pool-report-2-1839381964

Subject: In-town pool report #2
poolreports
Yesterday 3:37PM
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From: "Bolen, Cheryl"
Date: October 26, 2019 at 3:34:10 PM EDT
Subject: In-town pool report #2


Pool loaded into vans and drove short distance to Trump National Golf Club entrance, where we joined rest of motorcade for trip back to White House.
Motorcade was rolling at 3:33 p.m. Pooler did not spot any supporters or protesters at the club’s entrance.

Cheryl Bolen
White House Correspondent
Bloomberg Government
(202) -xxx-xxxx

[calimary]

44. I doubt Pete Souza would make anything up regarding time of photo taken.

Souza has built up a professional reputation and credibility over many years. I don’t know him but I would imagine if his kind of work puts him in the company of the POTUS, he has to be trustworthy. I doubt he’d put his good name on the line to make something up to flatter trump.

[JHB]

58. Nobody said Sousa made anything up. Where do you get that from?

I was pointing out that people saying "he was playing golf during the raid" had misinterpreted what Sousa said. They made it sound like he started his golfing at 3:30 instead of ending then. Depending on how long the raid lasted, he could have gotten back to the WH while it was still in progress.

Look at #54 below. Sousa himself states that directly.


Trump was definitely so disinterested and disengaged that he went off on his favorite play-date rather than stick around for the prep and execution of what he now claims to be such a stupendous event. Couldn't even be bothered to show up on time. Who's making anything up to flatter that waddling national disaster?

[calimary]

82. Nobody - except trump and his pals.

They're the ones who always make stuff up. I was just anticipating what the attempted blowback might be.

[JHB]

83. Fine, but I'll thank you to not imply I was saying anything of that sort.

[calimary]

85. I wasn't implying anything about you, friend.

No offense intended.

[malaise]

9. The unraveling of this big lie will be fun to watch

We jsut knew he was winging it

[Lonestarblue]

10. I'm refusing to read any of these articles.

Trump most likely traded the lives of our Kurdish allies for al Baghdadi so he could have a win and get media attention off his impeachment. The sooner people stop clicking on these stories, the faster the media will stop reporting them.

[TEB]

12. Whose the brass in the middle

He looks like he’s a hostage

[GoCubsGo]

45. Gen. Mark A. Milley

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. And, yes. He does look like a hostage.

[TEB]

49. Thank you I have look him up

[Blue_true]

67. I think that where he has his eyes focused and the look on his face indicates

that he is sending a signal that the whole photo is bullshit.

[Skya Rhen]

13. Trump desperately wanted his "Obama moment". Pathetic.

[George II]

14. Quite a contrast from this REAL photograph (not posed!):

[underpants]

15. VO - I hear that PFC Jessica Lynch was called into action for this mission

I’m sorry to use her name as a joke (she WAS horribly harmed) but my first reaction to this news was “Who?” - I wasn’t aware of Al Baghdadi- and since then this whole thing keeps going towards the PFC Lynch story territory.

[ashredux]

16. Is this timing confirmed....?

[demmiblue]

18. I am getting a bit confused by the timing.

In his press conference, Trump said he started watching/monitoring the coverage at @5:00 pm. He tweeted that something big happened at 9:23 pm.

I wonder if Souza got Syrian time vs. DC time mixed up. 3:30 pm in DC would mean 9:20 pm in Syria. However, 9:30 pm in DC would mean 3:30 am in Syria (which, honestly, seems more realistic if one is going to make this kind of raid).

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

21. I think Souza would be careful about posting something like this

without being sure. Anyhow, he was going by the time stamp on the photo, which would have been local (D.C.) time, 17:05:24 (5:05:24 PM).

[ashredux]

23. There is a six hour time difference between Washington and the Syria

[demmiblue]

24. I understand the time stamp, but think he may be mistaken about the time of the raid.

Even the most fastidious people can make mistakes.

Then again, truth is a hard thing to come by regarding the Trump administration.

[renate]

38. Good point... if the timing isn't suspicious after all, the focus will be on trump's vindication

I think it’s super important to get everything absolutely confirmed and correct before pointing fingers.

[moondust]

19. Orwellian.

Don't believe those lying timestamps!

[Hortensis]

20. Just wow. I thought he'd at least want to posture better.

If any of the Delta Force were injured or killed, I'm not sure we'd know.

[keithbvadu2]

76. If any of the Delta Force were injured or killed,

Trump would have some fantastic excuses.

[Hortensis]

84. No doubt. Nothing's come out yet, so hopefully they're ok.

[not_the_one]

25. So, one "alleged" ISIS leader suicided, 100 ISIS fighters released

(the turd NEEDS ISIS) to continue the war...

I'd say we are "even, steven"...

[Historic NY]

26. Aren't you suppose to hookup the internet cables?

Just asking for IT Support Group.

[blogslut]

60. Not a single ethernet cable is plugged in

[maxrandb]

28. And can I say; "fuck those fucking so-called fucking flag officers

for allowing themselves to be used as fucking propaganda"

Just fuck them.

I used to work for some flag officers that displayed honor and integrity.

These fucksticks use those terms as a fucking punchline.

[keithbvadu2]

77. It could be a genuine meeting for discussion and Trump is re-purposing it for his propaganda.

[maxrandb]

79. Then you speak up

Have some fucking courage and integrity.

These are supposed to be the people that order our young men and women to potentially give their lives for our country.

What the fuck?

Is one more star or a couple more years in uniform worth your soul?

Meanwhile, Jane Fonda is getting arrested for the third time this week.

Fuck these dipshits. They might as well have gone down to the Army-Navy Surplus store to buy their uniforms and medals.

Their oath and their word means nothing.

I wish them luck the next time they try to lead men and women into battle.

[Stuart G]

29. A new term ...."FAT NIXON".... I had not seen that one before..k and r for that term..

[smirkymonkey]

30. It's all one big reality TV show for him.

He is such a fraud and a failure.

[NurseJackie]

33. "Fat Nixon!" :rofl:

"Fat Nixon!"

[Bernardo de La Paz]

34. Fascist Propaganda Photo. . . . nt

[MFGsunny]

36. MF45 - the FRAUD of the century.

The SOB POS is beyond deranged, and so are all of his good-time-charlie accomplices.

THIS type and level of FRAUD UPON AMERICA takes many, many hands in that cookie jar when, like simpletons, the cabal tries to pull it off.

May they roast and be impaled with their respective petards!

I'm soooooo done with MF45 and taking no prisoners into 2020 elections.

[Vogon_Glory]

37. I am reaching the point where I believe that comparing Trump to Nixon

Besmirches the memory of Richard Milhouse Nixon.

And as much as I dislike Nixon’s Presidency, if it had been Tricky Dick instead of Crazy Uncle 45, the al Baghdadi operation would have been done PROPERLY!

[FM123]

39. The generals in the picture look like maybe they were forced to be there?

It boggles the mind that they would actually go along with this staged photo stunt....

[Blue Owl]

42. Nice try, fucksticks

n/t

[NCjack]

47. For sure, all of the generals and VIPs had to praise the prowess

of insecuremanchild-#45

[DesertRat]

50. K&R

[BlueIdaho]

51. Probably still wearing his golf shoes...

Wanker.

[DesertRat]

53. All the ethernet cords are unplugged

He’s probably still wearing his golf pants and shoes.

[demmiblue]

54. UPDATE:

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

56. Fair enough. But everything Trump does *looks* staged

even when it isn't. He's sitting there like a big fat toad in front of the presidential seal, and I have no doubt that's the way he wanted to be photographed - unlike Obama during the OBL raid, sitting inconspicuously in a corner, just one of the observers in the room. He didn't insist on being the center of attention. But because Trump does, even real things seem to be staged.

[keithbvadu2]

81. Then his golfing was more important and could not be interrupted.

[ffr]

57. But 62 million drones won't be told that, so history to them will show pic to be true

That is the fact of the matter. 62 million low information voters who exclusively get their news from right-wing media, will believe this is their CiC taking action in real time.

This is the reality of the Fox News world we live in.

[CrispyQ]

59. Ignoring hate radio & the right wing media machine is the stupidest thing the dems have done

and continue to do. I just don't get it. It's like the dems don't believe in marketing. We need a national campaign to challenge all the lying right wing narratives.

[ffr]

61. The problem is, if you study how propaganda works on people

is that right-wing media only works on certain kinds of people: narcissists, low IQ, the greedy, the authoritarian and the like.

Liberals, by definition, do not accept propaganda, our minds work out the inconsistencies and anything that is not plausible. So having our version of Fox Entertainment blasted at us 24/7 has no effect other than to turn us off.

Our failing is in the belief that everyone processes information deductively, seeing the complexity of issues. Cult45s only see in binary, this or that, right or wrong.

[3catwoman3]

62. In the Obama photo, no one, absolutely NO ONE...

...is looking toward the photographer. They are all transfixed by what they are seeing on screen.

The people in the photo above are mostly looking right at whoever is holding the camera.

[moondust]

68. Poseurs. n/t

[Progressive dog]

63. Propaganda from lazy scum

who were not going to be where they could be held responsible if anything went wrong but they showed up later to take a bow. No one should expect more from this team of rats.

[Brainfodder]

64. Douchebag Jackass Tool at it again, SSDD!

He takes his base for the fools they are, so why not this BS?

[Gothmog]

69. This photo has been fixed

Link to tweet

[bucolic_frolic]

70. fat shaming is often frowned upon around DU

we should try to make the term more use friendly to Americans who carry a few extra

[Doormouse]

78. While reading about the raid on CNN I found this.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/27/politics/bagdhadi-inside-the-raid-timeline/index.html



"How the raid unfolded
The covert operation started around 5 p.m. on Saturday evening as eight helicopters carrying teams of elite US troops, including Delta Force operators, flew exactly one hour and ten minutes over "very, very dangerous territory" towards the compound, according to Trump. Numerous other US aircraft and ships were also involved in the mission"

I think I'm gonna have to go with the CNN timeline.

Looks like Souza just got the start time wrong.