Representative Katie Hill resigns...!

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Frankly, after research, my feelings are that Katie made the right choice...the hypocritical right wing slobbering evangelicals were coming out from under their rocks and out of their caves to plaster the nudies all over everywhere....with possibly smearing her as misusing funds, and other scandalous accusations....the very two sided business of politics these days...we have to have literally hundreds of crimes to convict a republican but when one of ours has sex with a staffer ...Well we say enough...it doesn’t compute...Justice is not even close to fair...

This...Bill had consensual sex in the White House, well, so did every other President in our history...but,but,but...he was not completely forthcoming with exactly how that happened and why that happened...ffs...the latest con announcement contains 21 lies...

[Me.]

1. THat Was A Foregone Conclusion

but sad nevertheless.

[triron]

19. Why is that? I don't see Kavanaugh resigning anytime soon.

Or Trump.

[Me.]

22. BEcause This Is Turning Out To Be A Huge Problem For Her

what with the law being called in for the rumored revenge nude photos and all. I didn't say she should resign but I could see that she probably would.

And not only should that fake justice be on the bench he needs to be impeached for lying to Congress.
What's even sadder is the fact that Nancy Was mentoring her and the California Dem party had great hopes for her future.

[Hortensis]

59. Damn! She screwed up bad, but she's a real loss.

[Me.]

67. Totally Agree

I do wish it wasn't so

[SMC22307]

68. There are graphic photos, angst-filled text messages and House rule-breaking.

Franken shouldn't have stepped down, but Hill was right in doing so.

[eissa]

2. God damn it

I know people who volunteered in her district. They worked their asses off to flip that district. She’s let so many people down.

[RandySF]

4. It was a private relationship.

[IluvPitties]

11. Exactly.

Consensual relationships betweem adults are not my business.

[Voltaire2]

15. Nothing is private when you are public.

[babylonsister]

21. Unless you're iq45. nt

[Blue_true]

74. Exactly. nt

[pnwmom]

26. Involving nude photos showing Hill with an iron cross tattoo,

which has been linked to the Nazis.

These photos were taken with her consent, even if they were leaked without it. And they show her involved with a staffer.

She's too stupid to be a member of Congress.

From the Daily Mail, which I'm not going to link to because it has the photos:

The picture also shows an iron cross tattoo on Hill's pubic area, similar to the symbols formerly used by white supremacists referencing a World War II Nazi medal.

[Celerity]

29. The Daily Mail libelled her by saying she has a Nazi-inspired tattoo on her body, which is

utter bollocks. She has an Iron Cross that does NOT have a goddamn swastika on it, yet they outrageously showed a version that does have a swastika on it. The Iron Cross has been around for hundreds of years, long before the Nazi's co-opted it. The DM also tried to say that the KKK blood cross is the same as an Iron Cross, which is fucking ludicrous.

From the ADL hate symbol base:

https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/iron-cross

In the United States, however, the Iron Cross also became one of several Nazi-era symbols adopted by outlaw bikers, more to signify rebellion or to shock than for any white supremacist ideology. By the early 2000s, this other use of the Iron Cross had spread from bikers to skateboarders and many extreme sports enthusiasts and became part of the logo of several different companies producing equipment and clothing for this audience. Consequently, the use of the Iron Cross in a non-racist context has greatly proliferated in the United States, to the point that an Iron Cross in isolation (i.e., without a superimposed swastika or without other accompanying hate symbols) cannot be determined to be a hate symbol. Care must therefore be used to correctly interpret this symbol in whatever context in which it may be found.

Skateboard firm logo



Metal band (Motörhead) logo




I hope she sues the fuck out of the DM and wins. It is much easier in the UK to win these types of lawsuits.

[pnwmom]

32. I don't know how she could sue them for libel, since the Daily Mail article says:

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) references in its hate symbols database that the iron cross symbol goes back to the 19th century, included on medals for the German Empire.

It was later adopted by Nazis for their medals, putting a swastika in the middle of the cross.

However, the ADL does note the 'Iron Cross in isolation (i.e., without a superimposed swastika or without other accompanying hate symbols) cannot be determined to be a hate symbol,' because bikers, skateboarders and extreme sports enthusiasts frequently use the symbol.

[Celerity]

42. so not buying it, they presented it (regardless of some buried disclaimer) as a Nazi era tattoo,

right in the headline:



right below the headline




and then THIS, which is a pure libellous association with a swastika style Iron Cross, which she does NOT HAVE and then compares an Iron Cross to a KKK blood cross




I am so sorry but one sentence, buried in the story after ALL that does not clear their arse after ALL that. We (I grew up in London) have VERY strict libel laws in the UK. She so has a case.

[cwydro]

57. I have to admit I haven't been keeping up with this.

But gotta admit she’s too stupid to be a Democrat. Congress, I’m not so sure. IF she was a Repub, this would just glide on by.

A damn shame at any rate.

[SMC22307]

69. Fine. But don't document the nude hairbrushing and bong hits.

At least be smart about. Christ, she's in her 30s, not her teens.

[Xipe Totec]

8. Your choice of metaphors is, shall we say, not optimal given the situation. nt

[LenaBaby61]

37. I know people who volunteered in her district. They worked their asses off to flip that district.

Same here.

I just got off the phone talking to a 2 friends and they are BEYOND livid. One developed back spasms late in the campaign because she was out there hitting the pavement so hard for Hill. She's no kid. She's in her late 60's. The other friend delayed having knee surgery just so she could get/stay out there to keep getting the vote out. The other friends aren't hurting in any physical way, but they're just plain LIVID over her resigning. They tell me that the right-winged whack-job who she beat in the 25th, Steve Knight may get his old seat back unfortunately.

I don't even live in 25th district and I'm disappointed to mad at Hill.

Lord, Dems

[pnwmom]

39. They should be furious that she showed such poor judgment, getting involved

with a young staffer, and allowing pictures to be taken, making herself subject to blackmail.

[Demsrule86]

40. This is such nonsense...consenting adults should not have to resign...sick of the double standard...

[pnwmom]

44. The House ethics rules are clear. If the Democrats won't uphold them, who will?

Why should we descend to the level of the Trumpers?

Having sex with young staffers is no one's right.

https://ethics.house.gov/publication/code-official-conduct

18. (a) A Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner may not engage in a sexual relationship with any employee of the House who works under the supervision of the Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner, or who is an employee of a committee on which the Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner serves. This paragraph does not apply with respect to any relationship between two people who are married to each other.

[StarfishSaver]

52. Exactly

People scream and complain about Republicans getting away with wrongdoing but then scream and complain when Democrats don't get away with wrongdoing.

We're not them and shouldn't try to be.

[pbmus]

84. One set of rules starfishsaver...1

[diva77]

65. FURIOUS doesn't even begin to describe the feeling. I cannot even believe this has happened.

Yah, it wasn't illegal but it showed the WORST JUDGEMENT in this day and age and this was an IDIOTIC WAY TO SQUANDER ALL THE blood, sweat and tears people gave for her campaign.

[LenaBaby61]

82. Actually ....

Several grew up and still choose to live in California, and they know better than I do (They're older than I am. I'm 58) how bad it was under thuglican rule for women/minorities, and one remembers when her uncle was a Vet tossed into the street by Reagan and he died there because they refused to help him, so they have their right to think as they wish about the state of California, and about the district they live and work in

I agree with them. Their district, Their Representative. I live here in California, and HATE the way tReasonous tRump is trying to monitor us and take away our states rights because he hates us here in California, and that bastard is much worse than Hill will EVER be. He's destabilizing this whole world.

[RandySF]

3. FUCK!

She had no good reason to in my eyes.

[CanonRay]

5. I really liked her. Very sad.

[GoCubsGo]

6. This is sad and unfortunate.

Meanwhile, we have fucking sexual predators sitting in the White House and on the Supreme Court, and nobody blinks. because they have an "R" after their names....

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. She got Frankened. That's terrible!

[MyOwnPeace]

9. With 'ya on that one!

She's leaving while Frat Party Boy sits on the Supreme Court and "Groper" is in the White House.

[pnwmom]

27. Does Al Franken have an iron cross tattoo also? And nude pictures spread around the internet? n/t

[seaglass]

34. Seriously you're blaming HER for revenge porn? n/t

[pnwmom]

35. She was involved with a young staffer. I'm blaming her for breaching ethics rules

and for sheer stupidity.

She could have been blackmailed with those photos. At least that didn't happen, as far as we know.

[seaglass]

51. You brought up nude pics all over the internet. She did not put those up, her ex-husband did.

And it's illegal, I hope he gets his ass thrown in jail.

I agree that the affair with a (or more than one) staffer was stupid as hell and have no clue why people do this self-defeating shit but I don't accept that therefore anyone has a right to post those pics of her without her consent.

[triron]

90. Agree. Sexual relations with a staffer may be inappropriate but not for removal.

A reprimand and slapped with an ethics violation is sufficient.

[Demsrule86]

41. The first lady has nude pictures spread all over the internet ...who the fuck cares about nude

pictures? What are we sexual Puritans now?

[Celerity]

45. +10000

[seaglass]

53. Katie Hill cares about them. It has nothing to do with being a puritan, those pictures were posted

without her consent.

[Initech]

10. This was a hit job.

Fuck Project Veritas and fuck the Alt Right. I'm sure they were in on it

[RandySF]

13. It was Red State.

[Blue_true]

77. She gave them meat, of course they were going to use it against her.

Her judgement was horrible in a number of ways.

[abqtommy]

12. Why doesn't our whisper campagin work on tRUMP? Besides there being a huge

difference in intelligence and perception between Katie Hill and tRUMP. That's it. tRUMP has NO intelligence. He's like the person at the party who wasn't invited and won't take a hint to leave.
Finally: I'll miss Katie Hill and I'd help tRUMP pack!

[samnsara]

14. man oh man that a long ways to fall..I hope shes got support, this will be hard to overcome...

[budkin]

16. Flipped that seat for nothing

That’s a heavily red district that will probably go back to GOP control.

[rockfordfile]

17. If Democrats lose that seat, then it's their fault for pushing out the current elected

[StarfishSaver]

20. Did the Democrats push her out?

[Celerity]

46. probably, behind closed doors, the leadership told her she had to go

[RandySF]

18. All because of revenge porn.

I need to walk this off.

[UniteFightBack]

23. I would imagine the relationship with the staffer is true if she is resigning...that one was against

the rules. Really annoying.

[Kurt V.]

24. sad day. i wish katie hill all the best and hope she can move past this.

[kentuck]

25. An unneeded distraction at this time...

in my opinion.

[Celerity]

28. damn, she was great, ffs

[Celerity]

30. Hill resigns and yet Duncan Hunter remains whilst under 60 counts of Federal indictments

[pbmus]

31. We always fall on the sword....

[democratisphere]

33. What happens in the "bedroom" should stay in the "bedroom".

[pnwmom]

36. Congresspeople shouldn't have sexual relationships with young staffers.

But if they're going to, they shouldn't document it with photos -- and open themselves to blackmail.

[Demsrule86]

43. As often is the case, I completely disagree with you...and don't care about nude pictures...we need

to stop allowing the GOP to destroy our effective politicians. We almost pushed out the Governor and the LT Governor in Virginia thus handing the state to GOP control...this has to stop.

[StarfishSaver]

49. You disagree that Members of Congress shouldn't have sexual relationships with staffers?

[democratisphere]

72. Totally agree with you!

[USALiberal]

54. You are 100% correct! nt

[democratisphere]

120. I feel she has been railroaded unfairly.

Way too much of THAT goes on with Democrats!

[SKKY]

47. She couldn't just ride this out???

I mean David Vetter survived his scandal. She didn’t even do anything wrong. If anything, she is the victim of a crime. I don’t get it.

[StarfishSaver]

50. If she did actually have a relationship with a staffer, she couldn't "ride it out."

The Ethics Committee would have to take action against her and it wouldn't be pretty.

[pbmus]

83. Wonder why ethics committee investigations don't include...

Dozens of repukes...?

[StarfishSaver]

86. How do you know they don't?

Do you know anything about the Ethics Committee or its procedures and practices?

[pbmus]

87. You must be sitting on the left of a Congress critter...

To be so forthright in your supposed knowledge...so tell me more starfish...

How many repukes are being investigated by the ethics committee....?

And to answer your question, I know more about our ugly politics than I want to know...

Now answer my question...

Maybe I can help...is Devin, or Gym, or Gaetz or a dozen others being investigated?...sorry those are all white guys from rich republican neighborhoods....probably not

[StarfishSaver]

91. I don't have any inside information. I looked it up, something you could easily do, too

It's easy. Just Google "House Ethics Committee" and within a couple of clicks, you, too, can find the Committee's page containing information about the Ethics Committee investigations of Members.

If you had bothered to research it before making a blatant (and blatantly incorrect) assertion, you would have very quickly learned that, yes, the Republicans you name have indeed been investigated. And in just the last year, the Committee has opened at least 20 ethics investigations of Members, neatly three-quarters of them of Republican, including Matt Gaetz, Mark Meadows, and Thomas Garrett. Some resigned. Duncan Hunter was forced to give up his committee assignments.

Research. You really should try it.

https://ethics.house.gov/media-center

[pbmus]

98. Thank you 🙏

The answer is greasing the slide with 💵 works because the supremes said so...

[StarfishSaver]

99. That answer makes absolutely no sense. But you're welcome

[seaglass]

55. By her statement I'm guessing there is more out there, pics at least, and she wants it to stop. n/t

[pnwmom]

61. The Daily Mail published several nude pictures, and said they were withholding others,

that were "steamier."

[pnwmom]

58. She broke 18a of the House Ethics rules.

And by allowing photos, she subjected herself to blackmail and to revenge porn. She's a victim of her own stupidity.



https://ethics.house.gov/publication/code-official-conduct

18. (a) A Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner may not engage in a sexual relationship with any employee of the House who works under the supervision of the Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner, or who is an employee of a committee on which the Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner serves. This paragraph does not apply with respect to any relationship between two people who are married to each other.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. She's in the district next to mine.

She's in the district next to mine. Sad she has to fall on her sword when we have a real offender in the White House. The problem isn't the affair she had with a campaign staffer. That's not a breach of House rules. The problem is she was accused of having an affair with a member of her Congressional staff. That's a breach of House rules. She denies it. If her denial was truthful she should have stayed and fought and I would have urged by fellow Dems to stand by her.

[Poiuyt]

56. Why is there such a double standard about morals?

Republicans can grab pussies all they want but if a Democrat does something inappropriate, their career is over.

See Al Franken

[pnwmom]

60. The Democrats are better than the Republicans. They actually try to abide

by the ethics rules they have in place. Like House rule 18a, which couldn't be clearer.


https://ethics.house.gov/publication/code-official-conduct

18. (a) A Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner may not engage in a sexual relationship with any employee of the House who works under the supervision of the Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner, or who is an employee of a committee on which the Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner serves. This paragraph does not apply with respect to any relationship between two people who are married to each other.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. She could have rode it out if the affair was with her campaign staffer and not run again.

However having an affair with a Congressional staffer is a violation of House rules. She denies it. Who knows?

[treestar]

111. I think she should have stuck with it if she denies it

If the district was red, they might let her get away with it anyway. But why not stay in the seat while the investigation goes on, like Hunter did. And his investigation was stopped.

https://ethics.house.gov/press-release/statement-chairwoman-and-ranking-member-committee-ethics-regarding-representative-23

The investigation on Hunter is deferred! And he was indicted on federal charges of conspiracy, wire fraud, falsifying campaign finance records, prohibited use of campaign contributions, and false statements!

As for Katie Hill:

The Committee is aware of public allegations that Representative Katie Hill may have engaged in a sexual relationship with an individual on her congressional staff, in violation of House Rule XXIII, clause 18(a). The Committee, pursuant to Committee Rule 18(a), has begun an investigation and will gather additional information regarding the allegations.

The Committee notes that the mere fact that it is investigating these allegations, and publicly disclosing its review, does not itself indicate that any violation has occurred, or reflect any judgment on behalf of the Committee. No other public comment will be made on this matter except in accordance with Committee rules.

Then she denies it. If it's not true, it should be contested. Otherwise the Rs know all they have to do is stir something up and they win. Hunter is still in office with court proceedings apparently pending.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

112. I want to believe her denial of having an affair with a member of her congressional staff

But who knows?

[treestar]

114. True. The vengeful husband might not have the

proof and it would be therefore much harder to prove.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

117. Unless her staffer admits to the affair. I'm just sad.

[treestar]

88. that's not the point

the point is why don't the Repubs face the same standards.

The ethics rules are the same for both. So why are they only enforced against Democrats?

[pnwmom]

95. The Democrats have only been in charge of the House since January.

Which Republicans have broken the rules since then? Or have had cases come to light since then?

[StarfishSaver]

103. Neither party controls the Ethics Committee

It's evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans. The chair is a member of the majority party, but other than that the committee is strictly bi-partisan.

And as I've noted - and as people could look up themselves very easily - the Ethics Committee has conducted and is conducting a number of investigations into Republicans.

[StarfishSaver]

101. They aren't "only enforced against Democrats"

I really wish people hear what take 5 minutes to research the topics they're discussing before making these kinds of incorrect assertions. It's not hard. Just Google "House Ethics Committee."

[div class="excerpt"]I don't have any inside information. I looked it up, something you could easily do, too

It's easy. Just Google "House Ethics Committee" and within a couple of clicks, you, too, can find the Committee's page containing information about the Ethics Committee investigations of Members.

If you had bothered to research it before making a blatant (and blatantly incorrect) assertion, you would have very quickly learned that, yes, the Republicans you name have indeed been investigated. And in just the last year, the Committee has opened at least 20 ethics investigations of Members, neatly three-quarters of them of Republican, including Matt Gaetz, Mark Meadows, and Thomas Garrett. Some resigned. Duncan Hunter was forced to give up his committee assignments.

Research. You really should try it.

https://ethics.house.gov/media-center

[treestar]

107. I guess people don't bother to do that

You could add your information without that kind of scolding.

I don't have time to research this particular thing. A lot of voters are like that. Do you think your scolding will be effective in getting them to vote for Democrats? I have no interest in doing a research paper, but if you are more interested than others and looked things up, you could share that rather than sitting on a high horse.

Hunter's investigation was dropped though he had been convicted. Katie Hill's is just starting, yet she gave in. Democrats seem to give in. How many times, on this or other issues, do we see, even on DU, the fear the Democrats have "no spine?"

The Rs are just the opposite, having the gall to stay where they are in the face of anything.

Maybe there is a happy medium. This lady's said to be from a flipped red district. Those voters might return her anyway. They let R men get away with it. Maybe they'd let her.

[StarfishSaver]

108. It would likely have taken less time to research this than to write your post

You claimed the ethics rules "are only enforced against Democrats" without bothering to find out if that is true, something that would have taken a few minutes to do online.

And if you really don't have time to research before posting and don't like being "scolded" by people who DO check their information, perhaps you shouldn't offer blatantly incorrect assumptions as fact, expecting other people to "share" the correct information with you and then get ticked off when they do.

Many voters don't have time to research and they rely on sites like DU for their information. So it's especially frustrating to see people spreading falsehoods that only contribute to the misinformation and ignorance that is already undermining our efforts.

[treestar]

109. Well you have a lot of scolding to do since

there are many such posts all over DU.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2387251


Yes a lot of voters don't bother to do research. I see you chose to stay on your high horse. Hope you hold yourself to the same standard you hold the rest of us too.

[StarfishSaver]

110. "Hope you hold yourself to the same standard you hold the rest of us too." Yes, I do just that.

That includes always trying to confirm that I have my facts straight before I post anything, to say so if I'm not sure about something but am only speculating or guessing, and to admit it and correct it when I do make a mistake.

You may call that a "high horse." I think most people would just call it intellectual integrity and basic online responsibility.

[Decoy of Fenris]

119. "I think most people would just call it intellectual integrity and basic online responsibility."

If only a quarter of the population on the internet had that mindset, it'd be a far, far more palatable place. You're a good egg, though I'm sure you don't need my nod to know that. Far too many in this day and age spout off half-baked nonsense and unchecked 'facts', assuming they're true because their confirmation bias is sated. Those listless, thoughtless rabble -should- be confined to the right wing, but as we can see more and more lately, the Reps don't have the market cornered on willful idiocy.

[Blue_true]

79. Because we are better than them.

We believe in having our Reps tell the truth and serve their public with honor.

You don't wallow with a pig because the pig always gets away with it.

[treestar]

113. Problem with that is it leads to more Rs in power

And if she denies it, why not fight it.

Then there is this guy:

https://ethics.house.gov/press-release/statement-chairman-and-ranking-member-committee-ethics-regarding-delegate-michael-f-q

Nothing about him having to resign over it is to be seen in the media, I'll bet.

[Blue_true]

118. Yes, they have that guy, Duncan Hunter, the creep from Tennessee

that is anti-abortionist, but forced his lover to get an abortion.

So they do that, but they also have to cheat to win elections and even with that, they are losing seats as parts of formerly red states become more prosperous and better educated. That trend will only continue, I remember when all of Virginia was bloodred, and in my state of Florida, when Tampa-St. Pete and Orlando were reliable republican seats, none of that is true now.

Former Congresswoman Katie Hill would not have had s prayer of winning her seat ten or even six years ago, but as her district changed, it became more challenging for republicans. What we need to focus on is getting a strong democrat to run for her seat, one that hasn't let himself or herself slip into questionable conduct regarding abundantly clear rules.

[Doodley]

62. Another example of Democratic lawmakers bowing down to standards way higher than Republicans.

[pbmus]

64. Unfortunately, looks like the other side plays by different rules...

[Indykatie]

66. Even Though Actions Don't Seem to Have Consequences For the GOP They Should

Katie showed a lack of judgement and resigning was the right thing to do.
Having her nude picture posted on the internet compounded the effect of her behavior.

[BlueTsunami2018]

70. The Republicans have members under indictment who won't leave.

They’ve had members caught with hookers and wouldn’t leave.

I don’t see why this is worth resigning over. There’s no crime.

[StarfishSaver]

71. So, you think what Republicans do is ok or that we should set our standards based on theirs?

I don't care what Republicans do or get away with (actually, I DO care, but not for the purpose of this discussion). I DO care about how our Democratic leaders conduct themselves. And I don't subscribe to the "Republicans get away with it so so should we" approach.

[pbmus]

75. Of course you don't...two forms of Justice...ok

Nobody is subscribing to lowering our standards....

WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE FUCKING RULES ARE WHEN WE START THE GAME...and once the game starts, we have to all agree on any rule changes...

[StarfishSaver]

76. One of the rules is not to have relationships with staffers

[pbmus]

80. Circular arguments, I will no longer participate in your partisan banter...

The rules apply to Democrats because we follow the rules...the other side DOES NOT...

[pnwmom]

104. We know what the rules are. Hill's ex-husband has accused her of

not only having a sexual relationship with a young campaign staffer -- who remained on her payroll as a "consultant" after the election -- but with Graham Kelly, a House employee who was her Legislature Affairs director till September.

Rather than being investigated, she chose to resign, as was her prerogative.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/california-rep-katie-hill-d-calls-accusations-of-sexual-impropriety-a-smear/2019/10/22/41c4c2b2-f4e5-11e9-a285-882a8e386a96_story.html

Scott Amey, general counsel at the good-government advocacy group Project On Government Oversight, said it would be a clear violation of the code of conduct if Hill had a relationship with a congressional staffer.

“I think it’s unfortunate, the circumstances here, both personally and professionally, but the rules are there to ensure that no one inside Congress is above the law,” Amey said.

If there is an investigation in the House, investigators may also look into the claims involving a campaign staffer.

Though the House code of conduct does not explicitly apply to relationships between members and campaign staffers, the Ethics Committee has previously investigated such claims and determined it has jurisdiction over “misconduct relating to a successful campaign for election to the House.”

https://ethics.house.gov/publication/code-official-conduct

18. (a) A Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner may not engage in a sexual relationship with any employee of the House who works under the supervision of the Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner, or who is an employee of a committee on which the Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner serves. This paragraph does not apply with respect to any relationship between two people who are married to each other.

[pbmus]

105. Do you even realize how your argument sounds...

Code of conduct, My Ass...

Look around, WTFU...the Con and his henchmen are destroying this country. ...and you and your star warrior are talking about codes of conduct...WTF

30 REPUBLICANS WALKED INTO A TOP SECRET ROOM WITH CELL PHONES AND 11 OF THEM ALREADY HAD THE AUTHORITY TO SIT IN ON THE HEARINGS THEY WERE PROTESTING...

and you talk about codes of conduct...lecturing DUers about codes of conduct...

WTFAU...to talk to us about codes of conduct...?????????

[pnwmom]

106. She resigned. That was her choice. And do you know who's thinking about running for her seat?

Alex Padilla, CA's current Secretary of State.

And he has as good a chance as she probably does -- especially now the R's have this to hang over her till the election.

[treestar]

116. She could at least stay in office while the investigation goes on

As Al Franken should have.

That's fair enough and not avoiding applying the standard to them.

Not only does this lead to more Rs in office, but even only Rs getting a fair hearing.

It was up to her to resign but adds to the idea she wants out and not to have to brazen it out, as Rs are more likely to do. And that Dems can't handle much heat.

In this culture, voters react better to brazening it out, apparently.

[BlueStater]

73. She shouldn't have resigned.

Trump, Kavanaugh, and Jordan are still in power despite being accused of far, FAR more heinous things.

What a disappointment. *sigh*

[StarfishSaver]

78. Acceptable behavior is determined by whether Republicans did it and got away with it?

[pbmus]

81. Circular argument...

[pnwmom]

97. What is circular about it? It's a perfectly logical question, based on the preceding statement. n/t

[treestar]

89. The question is, why do they?

Republicans have the same ethics rules to obey. Why aren't they enforced equally is the question. No one approves of either doing it, but the price for doing it should be the same.

[StarfishSaver]

92. They are enforced

The House Ethics Committee has opened more investigations into Republicans than Democrats in the last year. Several of those Republicans resigned.

The house ethics committee is a strictly bipartisan body - it's the only committee on the hill that is evenly divided between Republicans and Democrats and it operates very fairly and with great integrity.

It's easy to just make assumptions, but it really helps to research what's actually happening before jumping to conclusions.

https://ethics.house.gov/media-center

[treestar]

93. Just looking at the posts saying Duncan Hunter and Vitter

stayed. It appears Democrats don't stay in for the investigation, but resign. What would be wrong with staying through the investigation?

[StarfishSaver]

94. That's an individual choice each Member needs to make on their own

But I would think if there's any truth to the allegations, anyone with any self-respect and desire to maintain their dignity would probably prefer to step down rather than have all of the details sorted through by their colleagues, even in a confidential proceeding.

Democrats have dignity. Many of the Republicans have no shame.

[pnwmom]

96. No one forced her to step down and avoid an investigation. And she and her husband

and whoever she or they were involved with are the ones who know what an investigation might have shown.

We want to believe she didn't break the rules -- but she decided to quit rather than let any more evidence come out.

[pnwmom]

100. Who was in charge of the House when Hunter was accused? The Republicans.

The Republicans controlled the House when Hunter when a criminal investigation was begun against Hunter in 2017.

Vitter was accused in 2007 of sex with a prostitute. The charge wasn't criminally pursued because it was past the Statute of Limitations. And having sex with a prostitute isn't covered under the House rules.

[bobbieinok]

85. Women in the public realm are attacked viciously, relentlessly at least hint of being a sexual being

Men, esp GOPers, can basically do as they wish

[triron]

102. No the pukes look for anything. Example: Hillary Clinton.

[fescuerescue]

115. Why are Republicans in charge of the ethics committee anyway?

Shouldn't that have switched over when we took over the House?

What's the point of winning the house if we are just going to let Republicans do what they want anyway?

[StarfishSaver]

121. Republicans aren't in charge of the Ethics Committee.

It's chaired by a Democrat and is evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212631110