I am sorry to have to ask this, but just who in the hell are we supposed to believe about

[Atticus]

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Trump's "purported" role in the apparent death of Baghdadi? My instinct, of course, is to believe anyone but Trump.

This morning I heard Trump say he watched the entire raid---"like watching a movie"--- and then, of course, came the "Obama-like" photo from situation room.

Later I read that Trump was at his golf course when the raid began and that the sit-room photo was taken two hours later.

Now, I just read a chyron on CNN saying Trump claims he watched the raid "as it happened".

Is he lying about this ( I know, I know!) and does anyone still care that he is lying? It certainly seems like he is "this close" to claiming that he personally led the raid, parachuted in and pulled the trigger on al-Baghdadi.

I dare not say what my suggested remedy for this would be.

[dhill926]

1. believe anyone but trump...

pathetic attempt at distraction. But the media and his drooling minions, will lap it up...

[TheBlackAdder]

15. Yes. It's a sad day when Russia is a more reliable narrator than the President of the USA.

[Karadeniz]

2. Iraqis and Kurds located baghdadi...plants monitored him...Trump retreat upset apple cart...

Spec.ops. had to do a riskier night raid...people say Trump was golfing at the time...arranges staged raid strategy probe

[cry baby]

3. Feeling the same way. And is it a coincidence that we leave

Syria to the Russians and Turks out of the blue, then 2 weeks later, the US finds bagdadi?

Sad not to be trusting if he’s even dead.

We don’t know what the truth is.

[spanone]

4. He said it was bigger than Bin Laden in his presser....

can't believe a word he says.

[CentralMass]

5. tRump can not tell a truth.

[braddy]

6. Early reports are that the raid took a couple of hours (NYTs)

[global1]

11. They Destroyed The Compound.....

No evidence to verify anything.

[braddy]

19. Verify what?

[OAITW r.2.0]

7. But then, Putin contradicts Trump....who to believe?

Seems like Kabuki Theater between the co-conspirators.

[BigmanPigman]

17. That is fucking with my head!

Aren't Putin and the fucking moron best pals? I can't keep up with this shit! I don't trust or believe anyone but the Dem leaders at this point. I wish I could get inside Hillary's head.

[malaise]

8. The safe thing is to believe anyone but the Con

and wait for the truth.

[democratisphere]

9. When SOMEONE has been killed 7 times over, question everything

and believe NOTHING!

[Xipe Totec]

10. Trump personally crawled down that tunnel behind the canine.

He Chewed on Al Baghdadi's arm to stop him from pulling the cord on his bomb vest. But, to no avail.

Then he personally cut a vein open with his Bic pen to give life saving blood to Al-Baghdadi's children, but it was too late.

He then flew back to Washington on an SR-71 to be back in time to give a report to the media.

Then he went golfing.

[Sneederbunk]

12. Trump cannot tell you what he had for breakfast withour lying abour it.

[Stuart G]

13. How does one say, that the President of the United States is the worst liar in the entire world?

..We as a people don't know if he is ever telling the truth about an important event with no direct TV coverage to prove that he is telling the truth or lying.. It is sad, and it is almost impossible to believe. But he lies and lies and will lie some more. He lies about anything. Your question is right on. Who do we believe? And your answer is also right on, "..anyone but Trump."
..Yes, 20 to 26 or 27 percent will stick with him. But the rest of the country will puke before we vote for him..
... .............................................
....Trump is an embarrassment to the world and our country. Yes, we care that the worlds number 1 liar leads our country. Most of us care. We also care that we cannot trust "Trump the Liar Not even for a moment..Not one second can we trust him...
....Now, where did I get that 20 to 27 percent number?..It was the number of Nixon's approval a few days before he resigned in 74. I couldn't believe that many in different polls approved of Nixon, but they did.. That is where Trump's approval will stand when he resigns, impeached, or loses the next election. Yes, one in five may stick with the ass**le. But the rest of the country will move on. I hope that I make it to see the new president sworn in..If I can honestly say I watched Nixon in 74, well, I ain't a new lad. I want to vote for our candidate in the next election. Just as most of us do. Let's hang in there ...

[sop]

14. Trump did not warn congressional democrats on the Gang of Eight before the raid

Trump said he couldn't trust them. He did tell the Russians and Lindsey Graham, though.

[Baitball Blogger]

16. They said he watched it around five o'clock.

I suspect that he watched it after it happened. We'll know the truth in the next 24 hours.

[Atticus]

18. The raid occurred at 3:30 p.m. eastern time and Trump apparently claims to have

watched it "as it happened".

[Baitball Blogger]

21. I think the media is trying to give Trump the day, but putting out the bread

crumbs for us to figure out where this is going to end. They definitely said he was watching at 5:00 or 5:30.

[Blue_true]

22. Technically, if he watched footage after it happened, then he would claim

that he watched it as it happened. Reality gets conflated in his mind, IMO.

[snowybirdie]

20. OK, give him the benefit of doubt

and believe him. So raid started at 3:30. He left shortly after that, drove the 30 or 40 minutes back to the WH, went up to the family quarters, showered and put on a suit and THEN went into the Situation Room. So how could he have watched the entire raid? Obviously he felt no sense of urgency to get back home.

[Kaleva]

23. The BBC has an article saying the raid didn't begin until after 5 pm EST

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"The president said helicopters transporting the special forces took off from an undisclosed location after 17:00 in Washington DC (21:00 GMT) on Saturday, when he and other leaders gathered at the White House Situation Room.

The helicopters had to fly for approximately one hour and 10 minutes in both directions, while the operation on the ground took about two hours, he added."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50200703

Flight takes off at 5 pm EST. 1 hour and 10 minute flight time.

Special forces spend about 2 hours on the ground

Return flight takes about 1 hour and 10 minutes.

Trump tweeted "Something very big has just happened!" at 9:23 EST.

It does add up

"This isn't true. First on-the-ground posts about a helicopter raid in Idlib started surfacing shortly after 5PM EST, 11PM in Syria. Yes, the photo looks staged as hell, but this timing controversy is based on a false premise.”

Link to tweet

"

BREAKING - reports of a (US?) helicopter-borne raid on a convoy of Huras al-Din (#AlQaeda in #Syria) leaders traveling near Barisha in #Idlib.

Locals say as many as 6 choppers involved - gave chase to convoy, 2 landed & assaulted vehicles. Possibly took bodies or evidence away.
4:54 PM - 26 Oct 2019 "

Link to tweet

Edit: Looking at the above, it appears special forces left their airfield around 3:30 pm EST and they arrived at the target location around 5 pm EST.