So, are apples oranges now? One might think so after some of the reactions to the boos

[Atticus]

and "lock him up" chants at the World Series game.

The only previous chants of "lock HER up" occurred at the manic Trump "rallies" of his rabid and extremely partisan followers.

The crowd at the ball park was not a concentration of any particular type of person or political attitudes. They were baseball fans and their "partisanship" involved whether they were cheering for the Nats or the Stros. I presume---reasonably, I believe--- that the folks chanting "lock HIM up" were a mixture of Democrats, independents and rightfully disgusted Republicans. And, unlike the choreographed cowards at Trump's Klan rallies, the baseball fans said what they said TO HIS FACE.

Criticizing Democrats for the spontaneous outpouring of disgust at the ballpark last evening is not just unfair, it's silly.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

1. The people - unlike Putin - have spoken!

They gave Trump a taste of his own medicine last night. It was their right to speak truth to power.

[malaise]

2. Anyone who didn't see this coming

is a political moron.
It was fabulous and well earned - what's good for the goose is good for the gander. You reap what you sow. Same kife stick goat, stick sheep and on and on and on.

Fuck the detractors. It was a zing of beauty.

[brewens]

3. The crowd is mostly people that are pretty well off. So there is no way you'd have a huge

majority of liberals there. Considering the location, maybe 50-50 dems vs reps.

[marlakay]

4. It was probably a way angry republicans

Were able to boo him in public and get away with it. The ones who are not rabid brainwashers must be mad he is ruining their party.

[Garrett78]

7. And I'm sure many weren't booing or chanting. But when 10k-20k people...

...are booing and chanting, they're going to be heard.

As I posted last night, that was nothing compared to what would happen were Trump forced to hold one of his rallies in front of an audience of nothing but DC residents. Or the residents of any major city.

[IronLionZion]

46. People of both parties are at all income levels

The greater DC metro area is quite liberal but World Series attendees can be from anywhere since this wasn't a regular season game.

[FakeNoose]

47. Houston is mostly a Democratic city

... however there's no way to know how many Astros fans attended the game last night.
I was just glad to see it happening on national teevee.

[SWBTATTReg]

5. I had heard that it was great...I haven't seen any of the videos yet, but from what people ...

were telling me, when I was out, it was an outpouring of boos, spontaneous and loud...Wonderful!!!

[aggiesal]

20. What scares me more is that ...

there were people cheering as well.

Not as many, but you can hear it.
In one video you can see a fan turning in Pendejo45's direction and
giving a thumbs.

This is what we are up against.

[Docreed2003]

6. People on social media losing their damn minds saying "Respect the office of the President"

These posts are always oh so moderate and calm talking about respecting the office no matter who is president...people need to wake the fuck up. This wasn't disrespected a man who deserved respect, this was an act of civil disobedience against a man who's a wanna be dictator who has zero respect for his office, the Constitution, or the rule of law. I'm sick of these people who want to pacify this fool and act like these are normal times...these are not normal times. Someone at work today was like "Well I'm not in to politics but they should be ashamed"...I flipped I just said "Well if you woke up to just how important politics are you might have a grasp of what these people were protesting"

[Cosmocat]

12. Yeah, same people babbling that shit

were all fine and well with the target of this chant being the ring leader of the birther movement.

[Gregory Peccary]

50. Those are probably many of the same people who cheered on.......

...... the guy who yelled "you lie" at Obama during his address.

[sandiapeach]

59. Where was Obama's respect?

Obama was slammed for using the wrong kind of mustard, wearing a tan suit and for hundreds of other nit-picking crap. A president may have our respect when elected, but Trump is a egotistical, criminal, moron who is doing great damage to our country and the world.
Impeach him and LOCK HIM UP.

[BadgerMom]

13. Who are the snowflakes?

[Docreed2003]

14. Right??

[Danascot]

60. "They need to get over it."

nt

[aggiesal]

21. Pendejo45 doesn't respect the office of the Presidency, why should we respect that A$$hole? n/t

[Docreed2003]

25. Exactly

[Pluvious]

31. Respect should be earned, not gifted by hostile actions of a foreign country n/t

[BigDemVoter]

32. EXACTLY.

And I would like to hear these same damned people demanding that PUSSY GRABBER 'respect the office of the president.'

[LisaM]

38. What people say in public and what they think in private might be two different things.

I saw some Democratic lawmaker on CNN this morning (sorry, name escapes me) who was criticizing Trump pretty hard, and maintained that he didn't like the chanting. So it gives him cover, IMO.

[not fooled]

39. Yes, unless

the president is Obama.

Then, maximum disrespect is A-OK.

[backscatter712]

63. I respect the office of the President by disrespecting the shithead that's squatting in it.

Our country can do so much better.

[Docreed2003]

64. Amen

[Scarsdale]

66. Yes, this country can do so much better.

Not with a gop president, though. They do not nominate the cream of the crop, as proven by their president. The gop is loaded with know-nothing rich asses like Gaetz. Him with his 16 DUI's, but covered up by daddy's position and $$$. Too bad the gop voters do not see the light, and demand better quality candidates, unless of course there are none better? I wonder if he was warned to tone down his boozing while in the presence of drug addict tRump, and nekkid first lady? Do not shame them, oh no.

[gibraltar72]

8. Last unstaged public appearance for the traitor!!

[LuvNewcastle]

52. Bet on it.

His handlers are probably walking on eggshells around him today.

[RVN VET71]

55. They've already assured him that there were no boos

and it's only the fake media that distorted the sound to make it sound like his 40+ thousand adoring cultists were issuing a negative vibe, when they were actually cheering for "the genius of our great Leader," as Stephen Grisham might put it.

[pandr32]

9. We'll respect the Office of the President when he does

Trump was installed, thanks to Russia, yet he has had the chance to behave as a real president should and has blown that chance sky high.
I hope Trump's few hours a night of sleep are filled with replays of his humiliation. He deserves it.

[leftstreet]

10. DURec

[Paladin]

11. God bless that loud and full-voiced crowd.

Why should anybody exhibit any respect whatsoever for the sub-human who passes for president, these days? Lock him up!

[saidsimplesimon]

57. Yes

[uponit7771]

15. K&R, Normal humans don't like racist child abusing whores for Russia like Trump

[RobertDevereaux]

16. Found on Facebook just now...

"This morning I heard an otherwise sensible commentator say that we shouldn’t be indulging in the “fascist” tactic of calling for the imprisonment of a political opponent. The Nats fans weren’t chanting to lock up a political opponent. They were chanting to lock up a criminal. How do these fucking idiots not understand that?"

[Garrett78]

17. Yep. There are 2 key points to be made in response to such comments:

1) As you said, Trump actually *is* a criminal who should be locked up.
2) People were not being led by a politician to call for a political opponent to be locked up. It was a spontaneous audience response to a lying, cheating, criminal hypocrite.

[Lunch Lady]

18. K&R

[in2herbs]

45. Welcome to DU! Is there a story behind your name Lunch Lady?? nt

[H2O Man]

19. Recommended.

Our society has a curious relationship with "shaming." Native cultures used shaming as a control on unacceptable behaviors, and it was effective. If an individual did not curb their behaviors, that person was banned from the community. This wasn't done to attempt to control people's weight or sexuality, as it is in our society. It was to control what we would call crimes against the community. Thus, booing Trump at the ball game was a sign of a society attempting to regain its health.

[Perseus]

24. Very interesting, did this come from you, or did you read it somewhere?

If you read it from a book/article, I definitely want to read more, it is a very interesting concept.

Thank you

[H2O Man]

26. For decades,

I served as the top assistant to Onondaga Chief Paul Waterman. That didn't pay bills, of course -- it always made more! -- so I was employed at the county mental health clinic. I found the native way of life offered many concepts of value for our "modern" society.

I'll try to come up with some good books, etc. Although I am admittedly subjective, one of my favorites was written by my sons, who like their sisters grew up convinced Paul was their grandfather. (And they "knew" Rubin "Hurricane" Carter was their uncle!) But it's out of print for now. Probably anything by the late Vine Deloria Jr is worth reading.

[klook]

61. Thank you.

I am interested in NW Indian cultures, but not educated on the subject. Vine Deloria, Jr. looks like somebody whose writings would be a good resource.

[oldsoftie]

41. Ive always thought "shaming" gang members & such would work FAR better than prison.

Imagine the certain "tough guy" being made to pick up trash in his own neighborhood wearing the ugliest jumpsuit you can imagine. THAT embarrassment would be far worse than 30 days in the jail. And it would also be a lot cheaper

[H2O Man]

48. I agree.

Community service is frequently the best thing, perhaps especially for teenagers. And one of Reasons, exactly as you noted, is that it is a far better investment of resources.

[llmart]

42. Don't the Amish use a form of shaming/shunning also?

I also wonder if someone with malignant narcissism actually responds to being shunned/shamed? They have such a convoluted way of rationalizing everything that is negative towards them into something positive that I'm not sure if it works on someone like him.

[H2O Man]

49. Yes, good call!

Shunning is used if shaming isn't enough. At Onondaga, for example, if shaming doesn't get the results needed, the person is shunned. They lose their identity, even their name, within the community.

With malignant narcissism (Erich Fromm's description of a sociopath), it doesn't work. It's interesting to note that in the Old Testament, there is a description of such people, living on the outside of society and posing a real danger. They had a way of dealing with such people, which is pretty similar in terms of results as that found previously in the native peoples of the artic. Sociopaths would go out hunting with a group of men, but fail to return with them.

[stopdiggin]

53. I'll also point out that within these cultures

the idea of "community" is foundational and recognized as an integral part of what it is to be human. And thus an individual without any ties and investment is .. essentially nothing. A non-being.

Two things 1) this (shunning) can be very, very harsh (and in most cases we probably wouldn't recommend or sanction it) .. but also VERY effective. and 2) juxtapose this fundamental belief system against the modern world .. where we have the barest ephemeral idea of what "community" even means in our lives.

[Perseus]

22. I think that is where the anger comes from, these are REAL people, not actors

The ones at the creature's rallies are "actors", they are chosen, and they are fanatical idiots.

The boos and "lock him up" should tell republicans how real people feel about them and about the creature, it should be a wake up call, but of course it won't.

Has anyone noticed that at the creature's rallies there is always one black person in the crowd right behind him? As if he, its usually a "he", had been planted there on purpose to "show diversity" and black support.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

23. ........

[Lucky Luciano]

35. My first thought as well!! LOL

[calimary]

56. And I'll bet they get paid a little.

That’s what he did with the escalator “debut”. All those “supporters” on both floors were paid to be there and cheer.

[Politicub]

27. People defending Trump have revealed their true colors.

Is it only rich white people? Of course they support Trump. He makes them richer.

[yuiyoshida]

28. HEY! I know if I were there, I would have JOINED IN!!

[GoCubsGo]

29. Unfair, silly, and totally expected.

IOIYAAR. Same shit. Different day.

[BigDemVoter]

30. And furthermore, this gives the impression we don't know how to fight.

The repigs NEVER apologize for ANYTHING. I am done apologizing after they have fucked us silly for years. They have no rules to play by, and if we are going to beat them, we have got to be willing to do what it takes, or we will be crushed with their dirty tricks and money.

Mewling, apologizing, and prostrating ourselves before those assholes won't buy us ANY goodwill.

The Morning "Snow Job" from Joe Scarborough is EXACTLY the type of thing I am talking about in which he and Mika likened those who were booing to "fascists."

I have never liked either of them, but I was willing to give them just a 'little' slack as they torment Pussy Grabber daily. . . HOWEVER-- I am completely, 100% done with both of them. Fuck them both. How outrageous. I never trusted either of them anyway.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

34. I will have to look up the clip. Love "Morning Snow"

by the way. Can hear Mika's whiny voice now though.

[LuvNewcastle]

54. He's a smarmy little intern killer and she's dumb as a post.

Maybe one day Joe will kill Mika and then they can put him in prison and that will be the end of that wretched show.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

33. You can't and shouldn't stop instinctual occurrences like this

They just happen.

Joe S has "caught" Mika's sanctimony. He needs to go on a couple guy trips

[Farmer-Rick]

36. People booed W before the RepubliCON party lost the House, the Senate and the Presidency

The GOP has lost the next big election already. Even Putin's Trolls aren't going to help them now.

[Enoki33]

37. Democracy in action - boisterous and uplifting.

[oldsoftie]

40. No problem with booing at a place like that. I DO have a problem with it at a restaurant.

The ballpark isnt "in your face". Stores, restaurants & the like ARE. And if that kind of thing continues, its only a matter of time before someone goes too far with it.
But a ballpark, football stadium, etc, is different. The "target" certainly hears it, but wouldnt feel threatened.

[NastyRiffraff]

43. It's about time Trump heard what the People think of him

He's been in his bubble; the only people he cares about are his cult members, and paid participants at his hate rallies. He loves to hear the cheers; they affirm his self-image that he's powerful, special, invincible. And he told himself and his cultists that all of America loved him.

Last night's crowd at the World Series gave lie to that image. And Trump was shocked; at one point he looked near tears. He got an unwelcome glimpse of what those outside his bubble think of him. And he hated it.

Where were those whining about the "Lock him up" chant when Trump led and still leads "Lock HER up" chants about a woman who did nothing wrong except having the temerity to run against him?

[patphil]

44. We all know that it's only appropriate to chant things like "Lock him/her up"

when it is a group of Republicans condemning a Democrat.
After all, respect is a Democrat thing...right?
Republicans would never even dream of being respectful to the opposition.

So, when the Democrats do it, it is indeed horrifying; so disrespectful; so...Republican!
How dare we act like them?
It's disrespectful to their disrespect.

Patrick Phillips

[YOHABLO]

58. I would say it's far better measure of popularity than one of his stupid ''rallies''.

[Sugar Smack]

62. OK, then. LOUDER next time!

[Harker]

65. Melania: Did he hit touchdown?...

Donn-o: Who cares? Don't they serve KFC in this dump?

[rpannier]

67. People have booed Presidents for years at sporting events

The pearl clutchers need to get off the couch and put away their fans