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Gothmog

(145,150 posts)
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 10:49 AM Oct 2019

Nate Silver-Warren's Wealth Tax Isn't The Slam Dunk Progressives Want It To Be

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There is a strong case that this tax would be a direct tax and therefore would not work under the US Constitution




Additionally, a wealth tax would almost certainly face a legal challenge from well-funded conservative opponents. And it’s genuinely unclear whether it would ultimately be ruled constitutional. The issue isn’t that Congress can’t enact a wealth tax. It’s that if a wealth tax counts as a “direct” tax, Congress would have to ensure that the amount of money coming from each state was roughly the same on a per-capita basis, as there is a provision of the Constitution that bans direct taxes unless the amount collected is drawn equally from the states based on their populations. Given that wealth is not evenly distributed across the states, that equal distribution would be functionally impossible to ensure.

The fate of a wealth tax, then, would hinge on whether it counts as a direct tax. That’s a tough question to answer, because the Constitution itself doesn’t really define what a direct tax is, beyond the fact that the category includes a poll tax, which is a fixed amount charged for every person. Taxes like tariffs and certain others that can’t be fairly distributed on a per-person basis are generally not considered direct taxes. But how all of this would apply to a wealth tax isn’t entirely clear. The Supreme Court weighed in on this question more than 100 years ago — and not in the wealth tax’s favor. In 1895, the court struck down a federal income tax law because it taxed income generated from property, including land and other kinds of personal property, like stocks and bonds. The decision was controversial, and Congress and the states effectively reversed part of it 20 years later with the passage of the 16th Amendment which allowed Congress to tax income without worrying about how evenly it was distributed. But Congress’s authority to tax wealth wasn’t addressed by the amendment, and the Supreme Court hasn’t really returned to the issue in the past century.

Warren’s defenders argue, however, that the court simply got it wrong back in 1895, and that a modern wealth tax wouldn’t count as a direct tax. But the court’s right-leaning justices might approach the tax with a less favorable eye. And the existence of the old precedent could give the court’s conservative justices a way to dispatch a wealth tax relatively easily, which gives experts like Daniel Hemel pause. “A wealth tax could raise trillions of dollars — or, if it’s struck down by the Supreme Court, it could raise nothing,” said Hemel, a law professor at the University of Chicago. “That’s a really big risk if you care about the redistribution of income and you’re trying to figure out how to get it done.”

Then there are the critics who have argued that even if a wealth tax could survive a legal battle, it would be a nightmare to implement and might not raise as much money as Warren and Sanders have claimed. Yang, in particular, has homed in recently on the practical shortcomings of a wealth tax. In the October debate, he pointed out that many European countries tried wealth taxes of their own but eventually abandoned them, in part because they proved so difficult to administer.
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Nate Silver-Warren's Wealth Tax Isn't The Slam Dunk Progressives Want It To Be (Original Post) Gothmog Oct 2019 OP
K&R RudyColludie Oct 2019 #1
Welcome to DU maxsolomon Oct 2019 #10
Seems like Warren has a lot of "skeptics " in the media. Funtatlaguy Oct 2019 #2
This belongs in GDP. n/t ms liberty Oct 2019 #3
This is a central or key part of Warren's platform Gothmog Oct 2019 #5
what are the chances that any such tax lapfog_1 Oct 2019 #4
Zero Gothmog Oct 2019 #6
I don't think budgetary items NewJeffCT Oct 2019 #12
This is in the wrong forum. jcgoldie Oct 2019 #7
Why it didn't work in some European countries is... Garrett78 Oct 2019 #8
I'm for a wealth tax Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #9
Wait... Republicans exist? maxsolomon Oct 2019 #11
Is this the same Nate Silver who's whining about "Libs" not giving Trump GoCubsGo Oct 2019 #13
Locking after a review by Forum Hosts Yonnie3 Oct 2019 #14
 

RudyColludie

(43 posts)
1. K&R
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 10:53 AM
Oct 2019

It's Biden Time!



Vote Joe or Trump won't Go!

maxsolomon

(33,316 posts)
10. Welcome to DU
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:47 AM
Oct 2019

Making friends already, I see.

Funtatlaguy

(10,870 posts)
2. Seems like Warren has a lot of "skeptics " in the media.
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:15 AM
Oct 2019

Donnie Deutsch just absolutely hates her and says she would be routed by Trump.
I don’t know if it’s them thinking she’s too liberal or just has too many female hormones.
But, it’s getting really old for this white male Warren supporter to keep hearing.

ms liberty

(8,573 posts)
3. This belongs in GDP. n/t
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:17 AM
Oct 2019

Gothmog

(145,150 posts)
5. This is a central or key part of Warren's platform
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:30 AM
Oct 2019

lapfog_1

(29,199 posts)
4. what are the chances that any such tax
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:26 AM
Oct 2019

passes the Senate given the votes needed to break the inevitable filibuster?

Gothmog

(145,150 posts)
6. Zero
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:30 AM
Oct 2019

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
12. I don't think budgetary items
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:52 AM
Oct 2019

are subject to filibuster.

And, Warren has also proposed getting rid of the filibuster.

That said, it will be challenged via big money RW groups

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
7. This is in the wrong forum.
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:33 AM
Oct 2019

Rules are clear all posts about primary candidates belong in GDP.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
8. Why it didn't work in some European countries is...
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:41 AM
Oct 2019

...that it didn't follow the wealthy wherever they went (hopping from one country to another is easy to do in Europe). And there were far too many exemptions. Those are fairly easy problems to solve.

Legal scholars argue that a wealth tax would be constitutional. Of course, Trump has appointed a hell of a lot of right wing ideologues to the bench, including 2 Supremes.

That said, a wealth tax by executive order (the only way it would happen) would result in massive backlash, including backlash from tens of millions of poor white ignoramuses.

Turin_C3PO

(13,967 posts)
9. I'm for a wealth tax
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:47 AM
Oct 2019

as well as a more progressive income tax. The only problem is our RW Supreme Court May rule a wealth tax unconstitutional.

maxsolomon

(33,316 posts)
11. Wait... Republicans exist?
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:48 AM
Oct 2019

Does Warren know that?

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
13. Is this the same Nate Silver who's whining about "Libs" not giving Trump
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:55 AM
Oct 2019

"even one day"? Fuck him. He's lost all credibility with me, and hopefully with the rest of the country.

Yonnie3

(17,434 posts)
14. Locking after a review by Forum Hosts
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 12:22 PM
Oct 2019

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