Nancy Pelosi is backing the Republicans into a corner

[StarfishSaver]

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She let them bleat for days about needing procedures for the impeachment inquiry and let them go on and on about what those procedures should be

And then BAM! Now she's now giving them what they said they want and will dare them to either vote Yes - which means they're essentially voting to ratify the impeachment inquiry and agreeing to the process Pelosi has laid out - or No - which will reveal just how full of shish they are.

Nicely done, as usual, Madam Speaker.

[Kurt V.]

1. she sawed that limb the republicans were on right off. Excellent.

[MontanaMama]

2. Yup.

[Thekaspervote]

14. Ha!! Luv it

[Wellstone ruled]

3. Miss Nancy has got this!

[DeminPennswoods]

4. Tells me she knows she not only has the votes to

pass approval of the ongoing impeachment inquiry, but that she also has the votes to pass whatever articles of impeachment come out of the Judiciary Committee.

[phleshdef]

5. No one currently serving in the House or Senate is better at counting than Nancy Pelosi.

[2naSalit]

6. And I suspect there's more to it than that.

I think they now have the smoking gun and they are ready to go for it. And a thing happened this weekend that got me thinking about a legal nightmare it may pose to the Senate in this process. You know that resolution which was being paraded around by LeningradLindsey this past weekend? Well, they might have been trying to pollute the jurors with that but... if they have come out against the process, perhaps they will be required to recuse themselves or somehow have disqualified themselves legally by signing on to it... the vote can still be held and that would leave only 3 R Senators to participate and all the D Senators will surely be there. The text regarding Senate trial after impeachment says that a 2/3 majority of those present. That dynamic could be in play via the stupid resolution they thought was a good ploy to use.

I hope that argument can be made because that would make it certain that we can oust the criminals.

[soldierant]

29. A thing of beauty.

[StarfishSaver]

7. Yep.

[mcar]

8. Now what are they going to say?

Pelosi is a genius!

[StarfishSaver]

9. Hummuna Hummuna Hummuna

[mcar]

11. ...

[StarfishSaver]

12. That IS pretty funny, isn't it?

[George II]

46. The original...

You must be young!!!

[StarfishSaver]

47. No, I'm not young. I'm old enough to know better

Thanks for posting the true original - The Great One!

[calimary]

59. Ahhh, The Great One. Sure takes me back.

[MyOwnPeace]

65. Heard in the Halls of Congress........

being uttered by Rep. Pelosi and Rep. Schiff:

"And A-WAY we GOOOOOO!!!!!"

(Yes, he WAS "the GREAT ONE!"

[calimary]

69. Yep!

[Dave Starsky]

49. That is from my favorite Honeymooners episode.

(long pause) "...Ed Norton?"

[George II]

50. Yes! "Who is the composer of Swanee River"!!!!

[argyl]

54. The Great One.

Loved him in The Honeymooners. And loved The Jackie Gleason Show live from Miami Beach.

[mucifer]

51. they are saying that nothing investigated so far counts because the vote hadn't happened

even tho the judge doesn't agree.

[StarfishSaver]

52. LOL

OK.

[mucifer]

53. It's the logic of a 4 year old

[wryter2000]

66. How ridiculous

The public hearings will take place after the vote. Don't they every get tired of looking like stupid hypocrites who can't even keep their stories straight?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

27. Lol.

[budkin]

10. She is absolutely killing it.

I could not have been more wrong about her before this all started.

[Thekaspervote]

15. It's always a good thing when one realizes a misjudgment and is willing to say so publicly

Kudos to you and of course madam speaker!

[Eyeball_Kid]

25. I was a Pelosi badmouth!

Now, I'm reserving judgment and I've backed off giving her the lip. If, over some time, it looks like Pelosi was successfully employing a strategy that expresses the will of the people and the right thing to do, then I'm right behind her.

Politics is an art. So let the artist do her thing.

[lastlib]

41. And her timing is flawless!

If she had done this 2-3 months ago, she would not have had enough D-votes to get it passed. And until we got testimony about the QPQ and tRump's direction of the deal, Repugs (and probly the popular majority) would've refused to see the problem for what it is. Now, there is no way they can ignore the elephant in the room.

[StarfishSaver]

48. SO true!

And not only would she not have had enough votes, we would have still been stuck in the Russia collusion vortex (was it collusion, no collusion, was it a conspiracy, connect the dots, what dots, etc.) that was too complicated to explain much less draw out a coherent narrative. The impeachment process would have been opened and closed and, even if impeachment passed the House, which it probably wouldn't have, it would have been disposed of in the Senate and we would now be looking at all of it in the rearview mirror. And he would have been home free - especially since the Dems wouldn't have gotten a second bite at the apple.

By biding her time and building the case Pelosi has taken this to a whole new level. As you said, not only does the country see in plain terms just how corrupt and bereft of any decency this man is, making impeachment now a foregone conclusion, there is now a remote possibility (very, very remote, but until a few weeks ago the chances were between nil and none) chance he could be removed. And even if he's not removed, there will likely be some Republican votes to convict, which would change the complexion of this entire endeavor.

She has played this brilliantly so far.

[wryter2000]

67. What you and I and others have been saying for months.

It's nice to be right for once.

[Botany]

13. Trump was over with this his "Ceausescu moment."

How much longer I don't know but that was Trump's "Ceausescu moment."

In Dec. 1989 Nicolae Ceausescu stood on a balcony before a crowd in Bucharest, Romania and
then the crowd turned on him at first he was angry and then you could see the fear in his face
Nancy's telling Trump to his face in the Cabinet Room that "all roads lead to Putin" (with you) tells
me that they have the goods on Trump and that his fate is sealed.

Very soon even hard core Trump supporters (except the ones on the take from Russia) are going to
dump him because the man is crook, a traitor, and sticking with him will become toxic.


BTW I might be wrong too.

BTW part 2 knows her stuff too. I think her dad was mayor of Baltimore and a congressman her now late
brother was mayor of Baltimore too.

Nancy P

[StarfishSaver]

17. He's had a couple of those in the past couple of weeks ...

Link to tweet

[saidsimplesimon]

33. Just look at those military men seated to the right of IT.

They look ashamed, yet lack the courage to resist.

[Botany]

36. Well you can see the shame and humiliation on the General's face but he might be old school as ...

... per the military and the chain of command and how he is duty bound to respect it.

My dad passed last January and I went by Ohio State's NROTC office to see if they could
have a midshipmen @ the service .... he was in the Navy during the Korean War ... and to
walk by and see the chain of command posted on a board with fuckhead Trump's picture
on the top was really shocking.

[CrispyQ]

68. Take it for what it's worth, but this was fun reading at least:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212605957

It's someone's interpretation of their body language & DUers comments about it.

[mcar]

16. Aaaand, the goalposts move

Link to tweet

?s=19

Rep. Mark Meadows told me of the resolution: “Unless you have a vote of inquiry on the House floor, a rule vote is certainly not the same thing. .. You know it’s not the same thing unless it’s an impeachment inquiry vote.”

[StarfishSaver]

18. I think now she's just forking with them ...

[mcar]

19. Oh shirt, yeah!

[StarfishSaver]

21. LOL

[FakeNoose]

20. Once again, Speaker Pelosi is playing 3D chess

... while they are playing tiddly-winks.

[StarfishSaver]

23. TRYING to play tiddlywinks. They keep forgetting the rules and keep swallowing the little thingies

[FakeNoose]

30. LOL! Yes

The Golden Girls approve

[soldierant]

31. LOL yes.

[sheshe2]

37. She played them with a Stradivarius...

All they brought were kazoos.

[StarfishSaver]

39. LOL! And forgot the tissue paper ...

[OliverQ]

22. Of course people like McCarthy

are now saying this proves Dems have been engaged in a sham impeachment process and are realizing they need to hold a vote now.

Republicans are going to keep moving the goalposts, so I'm not entirely sure what this accomplishes.

[StarfishSaver]

24. Among other things, it smokes a lot of people out

On both sides of the aisle.

[nolabear]

26. I swear, Nancy might be saving this country. What a hero she is!

Allllllllll that bullshit posturing those men (and yes, I think men of this particular sort love to posture) are doing and she just cuts through like a scythe, silent and deadly.

[Me.]

28. As Bella Abzug Used To Say

'A woman's place is in the house"

[CaptainTruth]

32. Good point. I guess that's one reason why the vote is about process, as opposed to impeachment.

Republicans have been complaining about the process, so this gives them an opportunity to vote to clarify the process ... or show themselves as hypocrites who are just using "the process" as a smokescreen.

[StarfishSaver]

34. Bingo!

[Fiendish Thingy]

35. They'll still complain that they didn't get the "process" they feel is fair

I'm sure Pelosi will cram the rules down their throats, regardless of their protests.

[ehrnst]

38. She knows her shit. (nt)

[Skidmore]

40. Anyone still think she should be replaced

because she's too old for the job of Speaker? Anyone?

[calimary]

61. No kidding!

I trust Nancy. She knows how to count votes better than anyone else on Capitol Hill.

[malaise]

42. Should be fun to watch their votes

[George II]

43. Precisely. For weeks or more you were complaining that Democrats didn't have an organized...

....procedure, so here is what you asked for (without being so explicit) Vote against it and your protestations were all fake.

I REALLY hope a Democrat calls for a roll call vote so we can get all the votes on record.

It should be a 433-0 vote (I think there are two vacant seats)

[StarfishSaver]

44. And they know if they vote yes, the ignorant among their fans will think they voted to impeach

There will definitely be a rollcall vote.

[warmfeet]

45. Excellent news.

Back them into a black hole.

[B Stieg]

55. She's smarter than they are...

those tRump goons

[MineralMan]

56. Speaker Pelosi knows her stuff!

Those who doubted her should be eating their words in public right now.

[KPN]

57. Agreed. It was a wily decision. I just wonder what percentage of the public will

actually understand that dynamic; the Rs voting basically against their own proposal. Doing so hasn't seemed to affect their voter support when it comes to the ACA or the federal deficit. They and their voters are all about defeating "liberals" and getting rid of "the problem" as Reagan put it, i.e., gub'mint. Firm -- let alone thoughtful -- positions on policy issues are for them an inconvenience and irrelevant. Very frustrating.

[StarfishSaver]

58. This is different than ACA or the federal deficit

It's much more straightforward and it's a stark, binary choice.

They're either voting to approve procedures for impeachment, which means agreeing to move forward with impeachment or they're voting not to approve procedures (including those that give them subpoena powers) that they've been screaming to get for weeks.

She put them between a rock and a hard place. It will be interesting to see what they do.

[Dan]

60. What I think is this:

There are approximately 80 GOP members involved in the various impeachment inquiry.

I suspect by now a majority of them probably support impeachment and a formal vote will confirm that.

If that turns out to be true then trump’s ass is toast.

[StarfishSaver]

63. I think you could be right

They've seen and heard some scary stuff. It will be interesting to see how many of them vote yes on Thursday.

[Firestorm49]

62. Well played. Now we'll get squirm #2 From Moscow Mitch.

[bucolic_frolic]

64. Not only that, try finding a re-election strategy for the GOP

Side with Trump? Motivates Democrats and Independents

Vote against Trump? Erodes base, and you're still a Republican who's supported Trump for 3 years.

Try to move those numbers. Republicans are painted into a corner.