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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 01:31 PM Oct 2019

Chair Carolyn Maloney: Vindman's testimony "extremely, extremely, extremely disturbing"

Wow

'Extremely disturbing': Top Dems alarmed over Vindman's testimony on Trump-Ukraine call

Top Democrats at the deposition of Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council, said his testimony Tuesday was “extremely disturbing” and praised him for appearing despite attacks from the White House.

Acting House Oversight Chairwoman Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y, told NBC News she found Vindman’s remarks “extremely, extremely, extremely disturbing” as she left the deposition. Maloney refused to answer any other questions about Vindman’s testimony.

Vindman, appearing voluntarily under congressional subpoena, was set to tell members of Congress conducting an impeachment inquiry of President Donald Trump that he was on the phone call between Trump and Ukraine’s leader in which Trump asked for an investigation into the Bidens — and that he raised concerns about it.

Vindman considered Trump’s request that Ukraine investigate his political rivals so damaging to American national security that he reported it to a superior, according to his opening statement ...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/extremely-disturbing-top-dems-alarmed-over-vindman-s-testimony-trump-n1073371


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Chair Carolyn Maloney: Vindman's testimony "extremely, extremely, extremely disturbing" (Original Post) crazytown Oct 2019 OP
I counted 3 extremelys...that's even more than Senator Collins has. Funtatlaguy Oct 2019 #1
You're right. Collins only occasionally works herself up to being "very, very concerned". EarnestPutz Oct 2019 #2
Very, very, very Disappointed crazytown Oct 2019 #3
Nice. No doubt a campaign ad running in Maine. I hope that it is... EarnestPutz Oct 2019 #4
He took notes and notified the proper identity. Iliyah Oct 2019 #5
Also disturbing is Repub line of questioning crickets Oct 2019 #6
I can't wait for public hearings wryter2000 Oct 2019 #7
Why is the superior, the NSA chief counsel, not on some sort of hot seat for seemingly ignoring the NoMoreRepugs Oct 2019 #8
I think his name is Eisenberg. And that's a good question that Eyeball_Kid Oct 2019 #9
I looked at the NSA IG site MadLinguist Oct 2019 #13
For real! I don't know who it is that Vindman reported his concerns to MadLinguist Oct 2019 #11
Wonder if Rachel will get into this tonite? triron Oct 2019 #14
More about NSC head counsel Eisenberg crickets Oct 2019 #15
All transcripts on that secret serve should be subpoenaed. Lonestarblue Oct 2019 #19
We are breaching new levels of extremity... n/t TygrBright Oct 2019 #10
X3 crazytown Oct 2019 #21
We need to get the media over this bucolic_frolic Oct 2019 #12
Is this why Trump has raged against Leakers and the First Amendment for years bucolic_frolic Oct 2019 #16
The real meat to this will be outside that meeting Johnny2X2X Oct 2019 #17
"They wanted energy contracts for Trump donors" crazytown Oct 2019 #18
agree. the quid pro quo is his side business Kurt V. Oct 2019 #20
Kick Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #22

EarnestPutz

(2,120 posts)
4. Nice. No doubt a campaign ad running in Maine. I hope that it is...
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 02:02 PM
Oct 2019

....effective and, like the ad says, the voters "make her happy" by removing her from the senate.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
5. He took notes and notified the proper identity.
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 02:03 PM
Oct 2019

The trashing of his patriotism for t-rump is un-American.

crickets

(25,969 posts)
6. Also disturbing is Repub line of questioning
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 02:16 PM
Oct 2019

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla:

"What the Republicans are trying to do very clearly in their questioning is try to front door or back door Lt. Col. Vindman into revealing who the whistleblower is, even though in his testimony he says he doesn't he didn't know," she said.

"They've been unsuccessful," she added.


Everyone with a conscience (sometimes a small group, I know, but still) should be loudly calling out and shaming them for this, over and over again.


edit to add a name

NoMoreRepugs

(9,417 posts)
8. Why is the superior, the NSA chief counsel, not on some sort of hot seat for seemingly ignoring the
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 02:42 PM
Oct 2019

alarms being raised??

Eyeball_Kid

(7,431 posts)
9. I think his name is Eisenberg. And that's a good question that
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 02:53 PM
Oct 2019

many in the Democratic Party must be thinking as well. I think that they'll get around to it. The chief counsel must have been told to quash the complaint, or he knew that he'd be fired if he advanced the complaint.

MadLinguist

(790 posts)
13. I looked at the NSA IG site
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 03:06 PM
Oct 2019

It's pretty spare
https://oig.nsa.gov/
but if you click on the "Features And News" tab
https://oig.nsa.gov/Media/
you see some messages from the IG, Robert Storch.

MadLinguist

(790 posts)
11. For real! I don't know who it is that Vindman reported his concerns to
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 02:56 PM
Oct 2019

but since this is the first we are hearing about the fact that he filed them, the Inspector General for the National Security Agency, Robert Storch, either wasn't informed by Vindman's superior officers, or the IG himself was silent. This question has been burning up my mind.

crickets

(25,969 posts)
15. More about NSC head counsel Eisenberg
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 03:12 PM
Oct 2019

For context, from this post: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212632837#post14

comes a link to this article:
The lawyer at the center of the Ukraine vortex

Meet John Eisenberg, the White House attorney whose actions are coming under scrutiny in Democrats’ impeachment probe.


Eisenberg is thought to be the one who ordered the Ukraine call transcript sent to the secure server. For that, his seat is about to get plenty hot.

Lonestarblue

(9,981 posts)
19. All transcripts on that secret serve should be subpoenaed.
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 03:37 PM
Oct 2019

Especially all calls related to Ukraine. I suspect those transcripts would convict Trump in a heartbeat. Otherwise, they would not have been deemed too risky for Trump to be housed on the regular server.

bucolic_frolic

(43,146 posts)
12. We need to get the media over this
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 02:57 PM
Oct 2019

"voluntarily under congressional subpoena"

It's only perceived as "voluntary" because Trump is stonewalling congressional subpoenas.

bucolic_frolic

(43,146 posts)
16. Is this why Trump has raged against Leakers and the First Amendment for years
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 03:24 PM
Oct 2019

so he can stifle information about his schemes to destroy political opposition and steal 2020 election?

If the shoe fits

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
17. The real meat to this will be outside that meeting
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 03:26 PM
Oct 2019

That meeting was the culmination of months and months of illegal activities by Giuliani and other thugs. And the extortion was asking for a lot more than just fabricated investigations. They wanted energy contracts for Trump donors, they wanted board positions for Trump loyalists. This was a shake down and dirt on Biden was the tip of the iceberg.

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