Boeing: Wouldn't you think someone should go to prison?

[mysteryowl]

100's of people died and it was negligence. I am not an attorney, but I think that some one(s) should be held criminally responsible.

[CanonRay]

1. That's the (ione of) problem with corporate crime

No corporation ever goes to jail. That's why corporations are NOT people

[onecaliberal]

2. Where is the FAA? they should have done something.

[mysteryowl]

3. Maybe they are being paid under the table

[onecaliberal]

4. Completely plausible.

[maxsolomon]

5. Was it negligence?

Is that proven in a court of law?
A court of law in which country?
The US?
Ethiopia?
Indonesia?
Are Boeing executives subject to extradition to those countries?
Which exec do you hold responsible?

Devil's in the details. Here's some details: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/18/magazine/boeing-737-max-crashes.html

[Kablooie]

6. In a just world, yes.

If CEOs started being imprisoned we would see a lot of corruption and greed begin to diminish.

But that's not the world we live in.
The corrupt and greedy have bought the government so they dont' have to stop.

[Hoyt]

7. Not an attorney, but you'd probably have to show people knew the problem

was critical and hid it from regulators, or if someone purposely left out critical devices or software.

This article would seem to make that difficult to prove:

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/06/720553748/boeing-knew-about-737-max-sensor-problem-before-plane-crash-in-indonesia

I’m sure people were canned, their careers ruined, and Boeing is paying a ton of civil awards, as it should be.

[uponit7771]

9. Would this count? tia

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/29/business/boeing-ceo-hearing.html

[Hoyt]

10. I'd say "No" if this is true from earlier link. But, I really haven't gone over everything.

"When it learned of the issue in 2017, Boeing says it conducted a safety review and concluded that the nonworking alert did not affect airplane safety or operation. The review also concluded that the indicator could be decoupled from the optional indicator at the time of a future software update.

"Boeing says its senior leadership wasn't aware of the problem until after the Lion Air crash. Boeing says it discussed the indicator problem at that point with the Federal Aviation Administration — a year after the company knew about the problem. The company then convened another safety review, which concluded once again that the absence of the alert was not a safety issue. It shared the analysis with the FAA.

"The FAA said in a statement that its review board "determined the issue to be 'low risk' and would be required to be a part of Boeing's overall enhancement announced after the Lion Air [crash]. However, Boeing's timely or earlier communication with the operators would have helped to reduce or eliminate possible confusion.""

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Can't say the company did everything it could, but I think they probably did enough to avoid criminal charges. Again, if the above is true, which needs to be investigated.

I'm not much into imprisoning someone who did their job with good intentions, but screwed up. Our prisons would be full. Again, that assumes they didn't knowingly screw up, covered it up, knew it was fatal, took high risk shortcuts, or intentionally did something wrong. I'm fine with civil remedies, dismissal, loss of licenses and certification, etc.

Like I read of a guy who had some military contracts and knowingly sent damaged explosives to soldiers in Iraq, some of whom later died from the weapons malfunction. That's murder.

TIA

[Eugene]

8. Boeing C.E.O. Knew About Pilot's Warnings Before Second Crash

Source: New York Times

Boeing C.E.O. Knew About Pilot’s Warnings Before Second Crash

Boeing’s chief executive, Dennis Muilenburg, testified before Congress for the first time since the crashes of two 737 Max jets that killed 346 people.

By Natalie Kitroeff and David Gelles
Oct. 29, 2019
Updated 8:14 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON — Boeing’s chief executive faced the grieving relatives of two deadly crashes of its 737 Max jet at an emotional congressional hearing on Tuesday, as senators pummeled him with questions about whether the company should have grounded the plane before the second accident.

At times looking shaken, the executive, Dennis A. Muilenburg, said that if he could do it over again, he would have acted after the first crash, off the coast of Indonesia last October. “If we knew everything back then that we know now, we would have made a different decision,” he testified. He said Boeing officials had asked themselves “over and over” again why they didn’t ground the plane sooner.

“I think about you and your loved ones every day,” Mr. Muilenburg told the families, who at one point stood behind him holding up large photographs of the dead.

Still, Mr. Muilenburg acknowledged for the first time that he knew before the second crash that a top pilot had voiced concerns about the plane while it was in development.
The admission will most likely lead to more questions about why Boeing did not act more decisively before that crash, of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302, on March 10.

Two days later, Mr. Muilenburg called President Trump to defend the safety of the Max. The plane was grounded, however, on March 13, although the United States waited longer than most countries to act.

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Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/29/business/boeing-ceo-hearing.html