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Dennis Donovan

(31,059 posts)
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:14 AM Oct 2019

Rep Speier on Nunes' ref to House Intel being "a cult": "I know about cults."



Jackie Speier ✔ @RepSpeier

Devin Nunes calling the Intelligence Committee’s fact-finding mission a cult is dispicable. I know about cults. Cults are led by maniacal narcissists who expect complete adoration and relinquishment of independent thought. I suggest Mr. Nunes look elsewhere.

10:21 AM - Oct 31, 2019


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Speier

Speier entered politics by serving as a congressional staffer for Congressman Leo Ryan. Speier was part of his November 1978 fact-finding mission organized to investigate allegations of human-rights abuses by Jim Jones and his Peoples Temple followers, almost all of whom were American citizens who had moved to Jonestown, Guyana, with Jones in 1977 and 1978. Speier was one of two members of the mission who made wills before traveling to Jonestown.

Several Peoples Temple members ambushed the investigative team and others boarding the plane to leave Jonestown on November 18. Five people died, including Congressman Ryan. While trying to shield herself from rifle and shotgun fire behind small airplane wheels with other team members, Speier was shot five times and waited 22 hours before help arrived. That same day, over 900 remaining members of the Peoples Temple died in Jonestown and Georgetown in a mass murder-suicide.

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Rep Speier on Nunes' ref to House Intel being "a cult": "I know about cults." (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Oct 2019 OP
Congresswoman Speier was a congressional aid to madaboutharry Oct 2019 #1
And left for dead on that tarmac for 22 hours.😳 dewsgirl Oct 2019 #6
Kick dalton99a Oct 2019 #2
"I suggest Mr. Nunes look elsewhere" handmade34 Oct 2019 #3
Nunes tried to run it like a cult, a Trump cult. Wounded Bear Oct 2019 #4
And ran directly to the White House... SergeStorms Oct 2019 #19
The gop is a cult. Scarsdale Nov 2019 #29
This is what happens.... SergeStorms Nov 2019 #32
Rep. Speier knows cults very well. gademocrat7 Oct 2019 #5
Typical Republican projection treestar Oct 2019 #7
She knows more than most people malaise Oct 2019 #8
Hey Nunes...Look in the MIRROR!! SkyDaddy7 Oct 2019 #9
I agree with the lists, but that website is disappointing. Coventina Oct 2019 #15
WOW! SkyDaddy7 Oct 2019 #27
You're welcome. I hope you don't think I was blaming you at all. Coventina Nov 2019 #33
No, not at all... SkyDaddy7 Nov 2019 #35
Nunes isn't as self-reflective as he should be Dennis Donovan Oct 2019 #22
He is too weak-willed Scarsdale Nov 2019 #30
Rep. Speier is the embodiment of a real Congressional overseas mission bigbrother05 Oct 2019 #10
And she knows a maniacal narcissist when she sees one. n/t Beausoleil Oct 2019 #11
Mooooooooooooove on Devin, vishnura Oct 2019 #12
Nunes best pack a sack lunch. MontanaMama Oct 2019 #13
Touche pandr32 Oct 2019 #14
I don't think most magats are as loyal. Marcuse Oct 2019 #16
They are as loyal in sacrificing our democracy. n/t MarcA Oct 2019 #21
She knows her shit. Therefore she knows Nunes. gibraltar72 Oct 2019 #17
Twitter...Facebook..is birdshit on the window... Hulk Oct 2019 #18
The Right Honorable Rep Speier just owned Nunes. roamer65 Oct 2019 #20
K&R smirkymonkey Oct 2019 #23
Repubs have no original thoughts. Copy and project. It's all they've got.😜 SammyWinstonJack Oct 2019 #24
He needs to look no further than the end of his nose ornotna Oct 2019 #25
put that fucker in prison where he belongs and soon Eliot Rosewater Oct 2019 #26
PLEASE let his cow weigh in on this one... bullwinkle428 Oct 2019 #28
Someone should tell the repugs their dear orange leader said it's time for 'white nights'. Mc Mike Nov 2019 #31
Despicable They_Live Nov 2019 #34
Doth protest too much-are they all culpable? StClone Nov 2019 #36

madaboutharry

(42,034 posts)
1. Congresswoman Speier was a congressional aid to
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:17 AM
Oct 2019

Congressman Leo Ryan. She was with him at Jonestown and suffered 5 gunshot wounds.

dewsgirl

(14,964 posts)
6. And left for dead on that tarmac for 22 hours.😳
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:27 AM
Oct 2019

Until this morning, I didn't even know she was there. I was only about 1 when it happened.

Wounded Bear

(64,461 posts)
4. Nunes tried to run it like a cult, a Trump cult.
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:21 AM
Oct 2019

Remember, he was the chair of that committee that ran off to the White House to leak what they had on Trump back in '17, then declared the investigation "over" before they were really done.

SergeStorms

(20,713 posts)
19. And ran directly to the White House...
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 02:21 PM
Oct 2019

whenever he heard anything that pertained to the Orange Cult Leader? Nunes is as despicable as they come. The Democrats have been much more fair to Tangerine Idi Amin than the republicans were with President Clinton. Democrats actually follow the rules, which is much more than can be said for rat republicans.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
29. The gop is a cult.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:48 AM
Nov 2019

All in lockstep behind a president who does not know truth from lies. He has been breaking laws for his entire life, so why would he change now? This is fine with the gop. They are fighting a losing battle. The TRUTH will be exposed. Bill Clinton did not commit a crime. He DID disappoint many voters, however. The gop has much, much lower standards for their own "leader". Any country in the world would welcome presidents Clinton, Carter and Obama. tRump? NO THANKS. The Russian ass et is a joke worldwide, and the gop is proudly backing him up. Anyone who votes these clowns into office again is as dumb as they are.

SergeStorms

(20,713 posts)
32. This is what happens....
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 07:44 AM
Nov 2019

when people who've never voted in their lives decide to vote for a nationalist, racist, xenophobic liar, just because he's as ignorant as them. This is what happens when fairness and truth in the media has no place, and vicious propaganda is allowed to be aired 24/7 without any filter whatsoever.

Republicans have already forgotten about the Mueller report, which in itself holds enough impeachable offenses for any other president. Republicans have chosen party over country, and it's not even their party! It's the party of Trump now, because the republican party has ceased to exist.

If this is what our country has been reduced to, The United States of America ceases to exist. Fascism has arrived, and it's wrapped in orange skin, has some sort of sick animal wrapped around the top of it's head, is morbidly obese, and is as dumb as a rock.

gademocrat7

(11,988 posts)
5. Rep. Speier knows cults very well.
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:23 AM
Oct 2019

She was wounded and left for dead helping in the rescue of people from Jim Jones cult. Jonestown 1978. Nunes is a very despicable man. That was beyond the pale.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
7. Typical Republican projection
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:33 AM
Oct 2019

Magats are the cult. The similarities are between Donnie and Jim Jones

SkyDaddy7

(6,045 posts)
9. Hey Nunes...Look in the MIRROR!!
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:51 AM
Oct 2019

All the info below came from this link.
https://culteducation.com/warningsigns.html


Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.

1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
5. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
8. Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
9. The group/leader is always right.
10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.


Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader.

1. Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
2. Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.
3. Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".
4. Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.
5. Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.
6. Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supersede any personal goals or individual interests.
7. A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.
8. Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.
9. Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.
10. Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.

Coventina

(29,824 posts)
15. I agree with the lists, but that website is disappointing.
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 12:12 PM
Oct 2019

One of the banner images touts "Madonna's Kabbalah Center".

When you click on the link, it routes you to a YouTube video about the Berg Kabbalah Center.
Madonna was once involved with the Center, but separated from them after they took her money and did not use it as they had promised (to build a school in Africa - not a Kabbalah school, a regular school).

Madonna, understandably, became disenchanted with Kabbalah in general and the Berg's in particular.

It's very deceptive and downright unfair to have a banner headline that reads "Madonna's Kabbalah Center" when it was never Madonna's, and the relationship that once existed has now dissolved.

The organization decrying deceptive practices is engaging in deceptive practices.
Not a good look.

Coventina

(29,824 posts)
33. You're welcome. I hope you don't think I was blaming you at all.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 07:47 AM
Nov 2019

And, I think the lists you posted are great.

I was just really disappointed to see that smear of Madonna, and it makes me question the rest of their content, unfortunately.

SkyDaddy7

(6,045 posts)
35. No, not at all...
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 09:17 AM
Nov 2019

I like to know these things! The last thing I want to be doing is using a questionable source or spreading questionable info. Thanks.

Dennis Donovan

(31,059 posts)
22. Nunes isn't as self-reflective as he should be
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 06:35 PM
Oct 2019

He needs to ask himself why he believes in such a blatant authoritarian as Trump.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
10. Rep. Speier is the embodiment of a real Congressional overseas mission
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:55 AM
Oct 2019

She was with Rep. Ryan on a trip to a hostile location on behalf of his constituents as opposed to the Russian boondoggles favored by our current GOP members.

Jackie has the scars to show what Legislative Courage really looks like.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
18. Twitter...Facebook..is birdshit on the window...
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 02:20 PM
Oct 2019

Nunes gets away with saying such obscene bull shit..."a cult.."...SERIOUSLY??? Then we come back with a slap on Twitter that NOBODY SEES...and it makes no difference. WHO called his lunatic, reflection bull shit slander in the HOUSE, where he slandered the entire Democratic membership that puts country ahead of party and this grifter piece of shit!?!

We are getting our asses kicked by "playing nice" and "barking at the moon", aka Twitter, etc.

Michael Moore...Thom Hartmann....WHERE ARE YOU!!!!!

roamer65

(37,965 posts)
20. The Right Honorable Rep Speier just owned Nunes.
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 02:26 PM
Oct 2019

She knows what she talking about on this issue, from experience that almost cost her life.

Mc Mike

(9,261 posts)
31. Someone should tell the repugs their dear orange leader said it's time for 'white nights'.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:17 AM
Nov 2019

That would clean the republic right up, quick.

StClone

(11,869 posts)
36. Doth protest too much-are they all culpable?
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 10:58 AM
Nov 2019

Something does not appear sensible. Are all the Nunes, Jordans and Rs in general aware of something really dark? Does the money for their party's propaganda, high living, ads, and campaigns, ALL have Kremlin connections?

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