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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 01:23 PM Nov 2019

Once we abandon truth there is nothing left of democracy...

Progressive and liberals across the West need a better strategy in a post-truth world. How do we fight against the right-wing disinformation machine of populism, demagoguery, lies and disinformation? They are not going to change the way they cheat and lie, and between Brexit, UK GE and the 2020 US election, they are going to use all the weapons in their armoury to ensure they can consolidate their hold on power, by any means necessary.

Conservatives are well known for putting power before democracy. The ‘ends justify the means’ take on life is destructive, and the right wing has pushed this envelope to breaking point over the last 3 or 4 years. It is difficult to see how they can make their way back to an ethical and just place of governance from where they currently sit.

We cannot follow them down that rabbit hole of nasty to try and punch back. There would be no way out of that moral morass. I was originally going to title this OP 'How low should we go?' But by the time I finished writing it I knew the answer. We cannot go low at all. Once we abandon truth there is nothing left of democracy. Pointing out their viciousness nasty racist mendacity though… we can certainly do that. A lot. On top of that we need more and better… ideas anyone?

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Once we abandon truth there is nothing left of democracy... (Original Post) Soph0571 Nov 2019 OP
The new normal cant coexist with Democracy. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2019 #1
It is as dire as you say Johnny2X2X Nov 2019 #2
We need to distill the truth.... kentuck Nov 2019 #3
and that means holding news orgs accountable Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #5
K&R real Cannabis calm Nov 2019 #4

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
1. The new normal cant coexist with Democracy.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 01:25 PM
Nov 2019

Think about it, half the country no longer cares if their rep lies but will hunt down our rep if they do it.

No, this opened a sickness that cant be cured, I fear.

Johnny2X2X

(19,048 posts)
2. It is as dire as you say
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 01:40 PM
Nov 2019

A free and Democratic country cannot exist if the current regime is allowed to further consolidate power. And that's what this whole impeachment fight is about, if they get away with this, then nothing is off limits.

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