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Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:13 PM

Breaking - Testimony: White House lawyer (Eisenberg) told Vindman not to discuss Ukraine call

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2019/11/01/white-house-vindman-ukraine-call-063892

The senior White House lawyer who placed a record of President Donald Trump’s July 25 call with Ukraine’s president in a top-secret system also instructed at least one official who heard the call not to tell anyone about it, according to testimony heard by House impeachment investigators this week.

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Eisenberg recorded Vindman’s complaints in notes on a yellow legal pad, then conferred with his deputy Michael Ellis about how to handle the conversation because it was clearly “sensitive,” Vindman testified. The lawyers then decided to move the record of the call into the NSC’s top-secret codeword system—a server normally used to store highly classified material that only a small group of officials can access.

Vindman did not consider the move itself as evidence of a cover-up, according to a person familiar with his testimony. But he said he became disturbed when, a few days later, Eisenberg instructed him not to tell anyone about the call—especially because it was Vindman’s job to coordinate the interagency process with regard to Ukraine policy.

Eisenberg’s decision to move the call record to the codeword system following his conversation with Vindman was first reported by The Washington Post. But Eisenberg’s subsequent request that Vindman not disclose the content of the call to anyone has not been previously reported.

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Reply Breaking - Testimony: White House lawyer (Eisenberg) told Vindman not to discuss Ukraine call (Original post)
Roland99 Nov 2019 OP
uponit7771 Nov 2019 #1
Botany Nov 2019 #2
dweller Nov 2019 #3
The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #6
Botany Nov 2019 #9
OMGWTF Nov 2019 #13
Roland99 Nov 2019 #7
tblue37 Nov 2019 #11
LastDemocratInSC Nov 2019 #19
WheelWalker Nov 2019 #20
Cary Nov 2019 #24
Maraya1969 Nov 2019 #26
Leghorn21 Nov 2019 #4
The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #5
erronis Nov 2019 #16
central scrutinizer Nov 2019 #8
docgee Nov 2019 #10
WheelWalker Nov 2019 #21
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #12
infullview Nov 2019 #14
Grins Nov 2019 #15
erronis Nov 2019 #17
patphil Nov 2019 #18
NBachers Nov 2019 #22
patphil Nov 2019 #29
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #30
patphil Nov 2019 #31
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #32
patphil Nov 2019 #33
Karadeniz Nov 2019 #23
spanone Nov 2019 #25
BootinUp Nov 2019 #27
Blue Owl Nov 2019 #28

Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:13 PM

1. K&R, Another one of Trump associated lawyers needs a lawyer. Trump is stupid, he could've done the

... RayGun bit and acted like he didn't know nothing at least for a couple of months.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:17 PM

2. I have always had some uncertainty about Eisenberg principals

If you get this then you are a nerd.

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:21 PM

3. i think i got it

🤔
but i'm a bit uncertain

✌🏼

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:24 PM

6. So does that mean we can't know both how fast Trump will be impeached

and where it will occur, at the same time?

Yes, I'm a nerd.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:34 PM

9. Impeachment is a fixed and a given.

Thanksgiving to 1/15/20 PDQ if we get to see the Mueller report. Where it will happen with a >75%
probability of being correct .... Trump will be on the golf course.

The uncertainty is about if the GOP Senators will stand up for America and do the right thing.

This is the biggest crime in America's history and we are dealing with the largest international
crime syndicate in the world. God only knows how many are owned by Putin.

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Response to Botany (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:57 PM

13. Russia hacked the RNC servers too. Kompromat for everyone!

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:32 PM

7. Ha!

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:41 PM

11. I got it, even though I am a literature person, so should be *uncertain*--but I read a lot of SF. nt

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:20 PM

19. His actions have created great uncertainty, that's for sure.

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:30 PM

20. Schrodinger's Call.

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:02 PM

24. Eisenberg compensators

Beam me up.

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:30 PM

26. Yea, but I'm not sure.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:21 PM

4. YEAH - msnbc keeps saying he's going to give deposition on Monday, but I can't find confirmation

of that....I can’t believe he’d actually show up, he’s got some deep dark secrets

He’s a big “git”, for sure

Hey, Eisenberg, do the right thing, how about it?

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:22 PM

5. Lawyers whose lawyers need lawyers.

It's lawyers all the way down, like turtles.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:03 PM

16. Makes me think about all the psychologists/etc. who need psych....

Or Doctors of Philosophy who can only teach other people to be the same.

Godel-Escher-Bach and incomplete Turing machines.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:34 PM

8. "sensitive"

New euphemism for treasonous

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:39 PM

10. So this means that call transcript gets subpoenaed right?

Where's the hold my breath emoji?

Actually they have to subpoena it, but it will be another count of obstruction when it isn't given up.

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Response to docgee (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:31 PM

21. As well as the "yellow pad" notes.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:47 PM

12. Coverup. . . . nt

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:58 PM

14. Oh come on! Just haul that ahole in front of the bar for multiple ethics violations

and disbar him. Disbarred Lawyers are a bit like snakes that have been de-fanged.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:02 PM

15. Eisenberg's deputy is Michael Ellis???

Michael Ellis? Who was partnered with another WH freak - Ezra Cohen-Watnick - when GOP scum Devin Nunes Ubered over to the White House after dark to give behind-the-scenes info on confidential Congressional hearings? THAT Michael Ellis?

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Response to Grins (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:04 PM

17. What you do expect them to do when the bottom of the barrel is just slime?

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:05 PM

18. It's interesting that lawyers made the decision to bury this call.

I would have thought it would take more than their direction to get the call moved to that top secret NSC server since they don't sit on the council.
I would think it would take at least one member of the NSC to agree to it.
I get the feeling the lawyers were granted the authority to do this by the NSC for the expressed purpose of burying sensitive materials without having to get the NSC directly involved.
After all, they would know if they contained information that might lead to embarrassment of the president, or even impeachment.

Patrick Phillips

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Response to patphil (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:54 PM

22. Does this mean that they can't get back into it and mess with evidence without NSC cooperation?

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Response to NBachers (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 08:50 PM

29. My guess is that any modifications to documents stored on that server

will have to go through some sort of vetting process, and any changes would be logged with before and after edits...a reviewable audit trail.
It would have to have been given a top secret designation to get put in there, so it would be read only to protect it from casual changes. Only a select few people would have write access to these documents.
I don't think the White House lawyers would be foolish enough to attempt to change it.

Patrick Phillips

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Response to patphil (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 08:59 PM

30. "Oops. Harry used the only backup floppy for a coffee coaster."

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #30)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 10:42 PM

31. You just pegged yourself as an old guy.

Very few people under 40 have ever even seen a floppy disk. Even CD's and DVD's are passe.
Ah, I have fond memories of the 1.2 MB floppies on my old Windows 3.1 computer.
Not!

Patrick Phillips

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Response to patphil (Reply #31)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 10:48 PM

32. hey, it's the gubmint. at least they upgraded from cassette


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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #32)

Sat Nov 2, 2019, 01:39 PM

33. My first computer was a Commodore Pet, and it had a cassette.

Then I got a dual 5 1/4 inch, 340 thousand byte floppy disk unit that only cost $1,100. and I thought I really had something.
My how time has changed things.
I can now buy a 256 GB thumb drive for about $30.
That's over 213,000 1.2MB floppies!
We got old, didn't we?
And the world kept on changing.


Patrick Phillips

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:02 PM

23. What sort of actions can the ABA or locals take against all these lawyers who evade the law

Or encourage disobedience to the constitution or use joint defense to coordinate activities.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:04 PM

25. They KNEW it was a QUID PRO QUO...and proceeded to COVER IT UP

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:40 PM

27. Eisenberg! Come on down!

You’re the next contestant on the price of greed.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 08:33 PM

28. Oops!

n/t

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