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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:01 AM Nov 2019

In one tweet, Mimi Rocah simply states the "smoking Trump gun" AND smacks down Brit Hume.

Mimi Rocah
@Mimirocah1

Replying to @brithume

It wasn’t a “failed crime.” He got caught after he’d already done the act & abused his power. And anyway - you’re basically admitting the crime but asking for leniency because it wasn’t so bad which is remarkable.

5:13 PM · Nov 2, 2019·Twitter for iPhone




Brit Hume
@brithume
· Nov 1

From WSJ: “De­moc­rats want to im­peach Mr. Trump for ask­ing a for­eign gov­ernment to in­ves­ti­gate his po­lit­i­cal ri­val for cor­ruption, though the probe never hap­pened, and for with­hold­ing aid to Ukraine that in the end wasn’t with­held.”
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In one tweet, Mimi Rocah simply states the "smoking Trump gun" AND smacks down Brit Hume. (Original Post) Miles Archer Nov 2019 OP
If the president commits high crimes and misdemeanors ToxMarz Nov 2019 #1
Intent. It's been said over and over. Miles Archer Nov 2019 #2
"Your Honor, I admit my client broke into the bank... Wednesdays Nov 2019 #5
What if he asked Russia to kill Biden, but Russia failed to do it? FormerDittoHead Nov 2019 #11
He didn't receive anything, which is why he withheld the money. JudyM Nov 2019 #13
Impeachment is not a criminal trial. ToxMarz Nov 2019 #20
Gosh... 2naSalit Nov 2019 #3
Things that make you go... kag Nov 2019 #21
I scanned Brit Hume's twitter feed. It's full-on propaganda. yardwork Nov 2019 #4
So, using the GOP's logic... OkieLib41 Nov 2019 #6
Right. Plus Scarsdale Nov 2019 #16
Brit Hume is a special class of propagandist bucolic_frolic Nov 2019 #7
If you try to hire a hitman for money and the hit doesn't happen, is it a crime? Danascot Nov 2019 #8
And the criminal doesn't acknowledge the crime and intends to repeat it grantcart Nov 2019 #9
+1 dalton99a Nov 2019 #12
Yes, there it is. nt crickets Nov 2019 #17
Nor has the criminal been held accountable yet. Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #25
Calling a conservative a dumbass isn't an insult.... NoMoreRepugs Nov 2019 #10
Right. It's redundant. brush Nov 2019 #26
Brit Humes: ".. no one should go to jail for attempted murder!! ... " These people are really stupid uponit7771 Nov 2019 #14
Brit Hume is scrapping the bottom of the barrel. Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2019 #22
In our Constitution, impeachment is not the ultimate penalty: execution for treason is. Rabrrrrrr Nov 2019 #15
Everything MF45's done surpasses the "semen stain standard" of impeachment. ancianita Nov 2019 #18
We don't know yet that they didn't get something..... getagrip_already Nov 2019 #19
Yep not fooled Nov 2019 #23
Failed actual intercourse too ? Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #24

ToxMarz

(2,166 posts)
1. If the president commits high crimes and misdemeanors
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:50 AM
Nov 2019

as determined by the congress, there is ONLY one prescribed penalty. IMPEACHMENT. It is not the ultimate penalty or any other degree of penalty. It is what it is.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
2. Intent. It's been said over and over.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:59 AM
Nov 2019

The argument is now that he didn't receive anything, so no crime.

That ain't gonna fly.

Wednesdays

(17,359 posts)
5. "Your Honor, I admit my client broke into the bank...
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 09:17 AM
Nov 2019

...but he left empty-handed. So, he's off the hook, right?"

FormerDittoHead

(5,155 posts)
11. What if he asked Russia to kill Biden, but Russia failed to do it?
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:20 AM
Nov 2019

More details to keep perspective:

1) Trump wasn't some rich guy asking some rich person for a favor, but he was asking to have a STATE use its legal authorities.

2) Biden was a *private citizen* - not some other country or state actor.

3) There was no domestic investigation going on for Ukraine to "help" with court orders etc. They wanted Ukraine to MAKE STUFF UP.

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
13. He didn't receive anything, which is why he withheld the money.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:24 AM
Nov 2019

Withholding the money is an act in furtherance.

ToxMarz

(2,166 posts)
20. Impeachment is not a criminal trial.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 01:57 PM
Nov 2019

The measure of "high crimes and misdemeanors" is not based on criminal statutes and trial procedures (though these can be included in the process if appropriate and applicable). Much of it can weigh on nebulous basis of abuse of power and breach of trust.

yardwork

(61,599 posts)
4. I scanned Brit Hume's twitter feed. It's full-on propaganda.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 09:06 AM
Nov 2019

It's all about the stock market for these guys. They don't care about anything else.

OkieLib41

(39 posts)
6. So, using the GOP's logic...
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 09:17 AM
Nov 2019

If I attempted to rob a bank, was seen on video in the commission of such attempt, but ultimately failed. Then was caught and charged by the police, I should get leniency? You know since it was a "failed crime", I shouldn't have the serve the ultimate penalty. 🤔🤨😂

Rabrrrrrr

(58,348 posts)
15. In our Constitution, impeachment is not the ultimate penalty: execution for treason is.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:47 AM
Nov 2019

Just to correct the asshole.

Impeachment is no more than a bank robber being put on trial for an alleged bank robbery.

getagrip_already

(14,721 posts)
19. We don't know yet that they didn't get something.....
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:12 AM
Nov 2019

Either from Ukraine or China. It would be the wrong time to release it.

I especially don't trust China. They want the south China sea and taiwan; Trump can walk away and let them take them.

That would be worth some trumped up charges and an indictment of Biden's son. What would happen to a candidate if Trump fast tracked extradiction of his son to a hostile foreign country?

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
23. Yep
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:52 PM
Nov 2019

1. red don got a lot of mileage out of news coverage linking Biden's name to "scandal," which will linger in the minds of some 'Muricans.

2. Zelensky has danced around, avoiding saying the obvious--that red don was applying thumbscrews. So, red don's threat is having some effect.

3. Wasn't the aid released only a couple days after the whistleblower went public, i.e. red don had no choice at that point?

4. Ukraine already knuckled under to red don a while back, by stopping cooperation with Mueller into Manafort's work there. Plus, they seem to have "lost" the black ledger listing payments to Manafort among other pro-Russia actions.

And that's not even getting into what might be going on with China. You state a very plausible course of events red don could set in motion there.

Plus,

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