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sl8

(17,110 posts)
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 09:07 AM Nov 2019

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Atta girl! tavernier Nov 2019 #1
That is one tough girl malaise Nov 2019 #2
Very, very brave girl. dware Nov 2019 #3
Remarkable. I'm glad both children survived. Arkansas Granny Nov 2019 #4
So bad ass. Wow. Glimmer of Hope Nov 2019 #5
That could have ended very badly. milestogo Nov 2019 #6
What about the crocodile? mysteryowl Nov 2019 #7
Given that the only witnesses are the children themselves... jberryhill Nov 2019 #9
Excellent point. n/t sl8 Nov 2019 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author cab67 Nov 2019 #14
It is also a horrible experience... skypilot Nov 2019 #15
Excuse me... what?! Leith Nov 2019 #17
This is not about either or. mysteryowl Nov 2019 #22
People there aren't very fond of crocodiles. cab67 Nov 2019 #20
I too am shocked by the display of speciesism on a supposedly progressive discussion board Marengo Nov 2019 #21
You actually care about what is going to happen to a thing that thinks children are food? alphafemale Nov 2019 #24
Nothing suspicious about caring for all animals mysteryowl Nov 2019 #25
Her godfather Lord Greystoke had no comment exboyfil Nov 2019 #8
It's a very fine friend who will jump on a crocodile to save you. LuvNewcastle Nov 2019 #10
Wow... Now that is one tough girl who has the instincts to survive. hlthe2b Nov 2019 #11
We could use her in D.C. erlewyne Nov 2019 #12
Straight up volstork Nov 2019 #16
I'm not sure I buy this. cab67 Nov 2019 #18
The primary witness for the story is the 11 year old jberryhill Nov 2019 #26
Never mess with an 11-year-old girl! MineralMan Nov 2019 #19
I'll take "Things That Didn't Happen" for $1000, Alex. nt Codeine Nov 2019 #23

tavernier

(14,443 posts)
1. Atta girl!
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 09:09 AM
Nov 2019

malaise

(296,076 posts)
2. That is one tough girl
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 09:11 AM
Nov 2019

Love it.

dware

(18,060 posts)
3. Very, very brave girl.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 09:15 AM
Nov 2019

It's amazing what bravery and adrenaline will do to the human body.

Arkansas Granny

(32,265 posts)
4. Remarkable. I'm glad both children survived.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 09:18 AM
Nov 2019

Glimmer of Hope

(5,823 posts)
5. So bad ass. Wow.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 09:43 AM
Nov 2019

milestogo

(23,073 posts)
6. That could have ended very badly.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 09:46 AM
Nov 2019

mysteryowl

(9,315 posts)
7. What about the crocodile?
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 09:50 AM
Nov 2019

It is a horrible experience of terrific pain to have the eyes gouged out, plus the animal now is going to live this way, blind.
And to mention that the croc was just being a croc. It was it's nature to eat something.

I realize the courage of the young girl and the victory of saving of her friend. Good! But don't forget the animal was maimed for life.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
9. Given that the only witnesses are the children themselves...
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 09:59 AM
Nov 2019

...then the details might not be entirely accurate.

As related in the story, the oldest person present was the 11 year old in question.

Far be it from me to question what might have happened on a riverbank in Zimbabwe, however what any adult would have been able to confirm is that the 11 year old was the oldest in a group of children out swimming, one of the younger ones was injured, and the 11 year old says that it was the result of an croc attack she fended off.

A variety of realities are consistent with those facts, but it is unlikely that anyone has examined the croc.

sl8

(17,110 posts)
13. Excellent point. n/t
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:29 AM
Nov 2019

Response to mysteryowl (Reply #7)

skypilot

(9,128 posts)
15. It is also a horrible experience...
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:53 AM
Nov 2019

...to be eaten alive. I'll take a blinded croc over a devoured child any day. Yes, the croc was just doing what crocs do but the girl was also doing what people do: saving another person.

Leith

(7,864 posts)
17. Excuse me... what?!
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:02 AM
Nov 2019

Dunno about you, but I am much happier that a 9 year old child is still alive than a crocodile's loss of a lunch and its eyesight.

I'll trade the croc's horrible experience of terrific pain that it brought upon itself by attacking the child in the first place with that of the victim's experience of jaw pressure biting strength 4 times that of a lion. Crocodiles kill their prey by crushing whatever part of it they get hold of, then dragging it under the water to drown.

My sympathies are with the human children.

mysteryowl

(9,315 posts)
22. This is not about either or.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:17 AM
Nov 2019

How about both.

cab67

(3,744 posts)
20. People there aren't very fond of crocodiles.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:10 AM
Nov 2019

Many people in Africa are dependent on local rivers for water. They're generally pretty good at knowing where they can safely wash clothes, wash themselves or collect water, but crocodiles still attack several hundred people a year on the continent, and about half of the attacks are fatal. Where we see a fellow animal, they see a threat to their existence.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
21. I too am shocked by the display of speciesism on a supposedly progressive discussion board
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:16 AM
Nov 2019
 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
24. You actually care about what is going to happen to a thing that thinks children are food?
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:37 AM
Nov 2019

That is a very suspicious statement.

Like something someone that hated liberals would expect liberals to make.

mysteryowl

(9,315 posts)
25. Nothing suspicious about caring for all animals
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:45 AM
Nov 2019

I am glad the children are okay. That is not the point.

exboyfil

(18,359 posts)
8. Her godfather Lord Greystoke had no comment
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 09:56 AM
Nov 2019

When asked about it.

LuvNewcastle

(17,821 posts)
10. It's a very fine friend who will jump on a crocodile to save you.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:13 AM
Nov 2019

I expect they'll have life-long friendship.

hlthe2b

(113,947 posts)
11. Wow... Now that is one tough girl who has the instincts to survive.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:22 AM
Nov 2019

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
12. We could use her in D.C.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:26 AM
Nov 2019

To clean up the swamp.

volstork

(5,836 posts)
16. Straight up
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:53 AM
Nov 2019

badass.

cab67

(3,744 posts)
18. I'm not sure I buy this.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:03 AM
Nov 2019

Background - I work on crocodile anatomy for a living.

It is extremely unlikely that anyone, at any age, could have gouged out the eyes of a crocodile with his or her fingers. Crocodiles have both outer and inner eyelids (nictating membranes), and their outer eyelids have small bones (palpebral bones). An animal's first instinct when its eyes are attacked is to shut its lids. Moreover, a crocodile's optic nerve is fairly robust.

If the events happened as described by the girl, it's a lot more likely that the girl jammed her fingers into the crocodiles eyes, and that the crocodile was reacting to the surprise and pain of having its eyes poked at. The eyes themselves were most likely still intact.

I'd want more information on a couple of things:

1. The wounds on the younger girl. Are they consistent with a crocodile bite? People in that part of Africa are familiar with crocodiles and their attacks, but I'd still want to know whether they're bites, and whether they indicate the size of the crocodile.

Speaking of which, 2. I'd want to know more about the size of this crocodile. If it was more than a couple of meters in length, it would have shaken the 11-year-old off its head relatively easily. This, of course, could have prompted the animal to unintentionally release the other girl, but both girls would have needed to get out of there in a real hurry. Alternatively, if it was a small crocodile that was attacking the younger girl, it's more credible that an 11-year-old could have gotten it to back off. (Of course, a smaller crocodile would be less able to drag anything as big as a child into the water.)

Another point - if the little girl was bitten by a crocodile, she's going to need serious medical treatment. Crocodile jaws are incredibly powerful. Even if they don't break the skin, the force of their teeth hitting flesh causes tissue damage that inevitably leads to localized necrosis, and this can bring on some serious staph infections. Plus, crocodiles don't brush their teeth, and if the teeth did break the skin, those wounds are likely to get infected. (I say this from direct personal experience.)

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
26. The primary witness for the story is the 11 year old
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:50 AM
Nov 2019

People love these stories. They don’t care if they’re true.

MineralMan

(151,259 posts)
19. Never mess with an 11-year-old girl!
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:05 AM
Nov 2019
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
23. I'll take "Things That Didn't Happen" for $1000, Alex. nt
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:29 AM
Nov 2019
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