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Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 05:16 PM Nov 2019

It is NOT Climate Change, it is GLOBAL WARMING

FINALLY saw the movie "Vice" about that war criminal Cheney.

I did NOT know Frank Luntz, the vile GOP pollster came up with Climate Change to make it seem less dangerous and scary.
(no, he didnt come up with it, but he used it, etc)

NEVER using it again...

What Luntz did was POLL the two terms, he did not create the term as I am now reading but since Climate Change "polled" less scary, he recommenced the GOP start using it.

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progree

(10,864 posts)
1. The Guardian has some new terms ...
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 05:27 PM
Nov 2019
Why the Guardian is changing the language it uses about the environment, The Guardian, May 17, 2019

The Guardian has updated its style guide to introduce terms that more accurately describe the environmental crises facing the world.

Instead of “climate change” the preferred terms are “climate emergency, crisis or breakdown” and “global heating” is favoured over “global warming”, although the original terms are not banned.

More: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/may/17/why-the-guardian-is-changing-the-language-it-uses-about-the-environment

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
6. Right wingers love jumping on any change in terminology.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 05:49 PM
Nov 2019

They obfuscate by suggesting that the goalposts are being moved, which is nonsense, of course.

Several people in this thread have offered reasonable terms. But the bottom line is that the average global temperature is on the rise with dire consequences, and extreme weather events are becoming more intense and more frequent. And this is all anthropogenic.

LAS14

(13,749 posts)
7. "Climate Change" is better than "Global Warming" because...
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 05:52 PM
Nov 2019

... it explains the persistance of weather systems (months of extreme cold, for instnce). It explains the shifting of the Gulf Stream. Things become unpredictable, not just hotter.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
9. You are talking from a "scientific" position and what I am talking about is
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 07:13 PM
Nov 2019

how people react to the terms.

LUNTZ found people were LESS alarmed when it was called Climate Change and of course that is what the filthy pricks wanted, less alarm

KPN

(15,585 posts)
8. It has always been global warming for the 97%
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 06:21 PM
Nov 2019

of all meteorological scientists who have concluded it is happening and human-caused. Industry and the media promoted the Climate Change euphemism ... and many fell for it.

onenote

(42,374 posts)
10. Scientists have long used both terms, and they have different meanings.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:04 PM
Nov 2019

Within scientific journals the term global warming is used to describe surface temperature increases and the term climate change encompasses global warming and the broader impact that will result from increased greenhouse gas amounts.

From a scientific perspective, "global warming" -- surface temperature change -- is not in and of itself the most significant impact of a changing climate. Focusing on higher temperatures downplays the increases in sea level, more frequent and severe storms and droughts that will have a long term and devastating impact on aea level increase, severe storms, etc. are having, and will have, a greater impact on humanity than surface temperature change in and of itself.

And I have no idea how you came up with idea that the term "climate change" was invented by Frank Luntz.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
11. I corrected that, guess you didnt see it. I said he USES it to make it seem less of an issue.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:56 AM
Nov 2019

I guess the point is if using Climate Change vs Global Warming results in less urgency in the matter, which is the goal of Luntz and the GOP in using Climate Change as the term, then that is bad.

That is my point.

I am not the enemy here.

And to save time, I made an edit just now so it would be obvous I was not saying he created it but my ORIGINAL post had the following

What Luntz did was POLL the two terms, he did not create the term as I am now reading but since Climate Change "polled" less scary, he recommenced the GOP start using it.


Yes, after seeing the movie VICE showing Luntz using "death tax" and "climate change" I assumed, incorrectly that he coined both terms.
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