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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums'Seven whistleblowers' And a story that -- if true -- could be deadly for Jared Kushner
https://spectator.us/seven-whistleblowers-jared-kushner-bin-salman/amp/Thats three whistleblowers. What about the other four? Cockburns source says that at least one is nothing to do with Ukraine but instead was reporting a call between Trump and the Saudi ruler, Mohammed bin Salman. Specifically, the whistleblower is said to have concerns about what was said on the call about the presidents son-in-law and adviser, Jared Kushner. Kushner himself is known to have a very close relationship with MBS. Cockburn has previously written that Kushner may have been what Cosmo would call an oversharer when it came to MBS. Unfortunately, its claimed that what he was sharing was American secrets: information Kushner had requested from the CIA would (allegedly) be echoed back in US intercepts of calls between members of the Saudi royal family. Once source said this was Kushner lost his intelligence clearances for a while.
According to Cockburns source about the seven whistleblowers, theres more. It is that Kushner (allegedly) gave the green light to MBS to arrest the dissident journalist, Jamal Khashoggi, who was later murdered and dismembered in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. A second source tells Cockburn that this is true and adds a crucial twist to the story. This source claims that Turkish intelligence obtained an intercept of the call between Kushner and MBS. And President Erdogan used it to get Trump to roll over and pull American troops out of northern Syria before the Turks invaded. Cockburn hears that investigators for the House Intelligence Committee know this whole tale and the identities of some of the people telling it. Whether any of is true is another matter but Adam Schiff certainly seems to be smiling a lot these days.
2naSalit
(86,580 posts)stopdiggin
(11,302 posts)Cute. So we're really standing behind our story here?
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)The story is Deadly?
Is that literally deadly or figuratively deadly?
Sounds real bad, whichever.
brush
(53,776 posts)Erdogan has joined the club and is using his leverage on trump/kushner to get his way with trump.
This is why this incompetent, corrupt charlatan should never have been allowed to step foot in the WH.
PatSeg
(47,419 posts)there are quite a few foreign leaders who are using information to manipulate Trump. It must be so easy with this incompetent, careless group of family and friends.
brush
(53,776 posts)PatSeg
(47,419 posts)Life is so stressful these days.
smb
(3,471 posts)brush
(53,776 posts)OAITW r.2.0
(24,467 posts)All based on what is good for the Trump/Kushner brand. We deserve a lot better than these scam artists.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)alittlelark
(18,890 posts)They have stashed $$$ in offshore banks for years. Not sure what country - I thought Ukraine, but the election a few months ago makes that impossible.
I believe that they will flee, and dumb and dumber will be conveniently out of the country at the same time.
They have no allegiance.
They only worship $$$$$
They KNOW they are 'going down' in the USA
calimary
(81,238 posts)when he gets a clear sense that the jig really is up.
Maybe to Crimea by way of a couple of stops and plane changes. Its controlled by his pal
Vlad, and hes been a good and productive servant, so why not?
Wouldnt surprise me if thats something the two of them talked about during one of those private just between the two of us meetings. Safe haven arrangements just in case he runs out of options here.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)nm
KPN
(15,643 posts)especially while daddy is commander and chief, can ignite a World War on a moments notice, and even has the button and its code in his possession. Theyll take us all down first. These times are far more dangerous than we tend to realize in our daily lives.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)mannequin of a husband...
"Everything about you is real, kind, humble and brave, she wrote in the caption. You inspire me with your calm, stoic disposition and unwavering prioritization of that which matters most in life.
Tell me she doesn't know exactly what he is up to and how corrupt and evil he is. He is just like her father and so is she. I hope they both end up in prison together.
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)Then toss the key.
The US sanctioned the murder of Jamal Khashoggi. Just one more quid pro quo. They all need to be tried for crimes against humanity.
ritapria
(1,812 posts)Sadly , I think he's a full of it
Roland99
(53,342 posts)We don't have the full Mueller report now do we? Nor do the House Committees. AG Barr who has designated himself to me Trumps lawyer and not the lawyer for the United States saw to that. It is being hidden for a reason.
Botany
(70,501 posts)Thank you!
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)Botany
(70,501 posts)That is why Barr is flying all over the world looking for a way to discredit it.
Pisses me off how many say he is a loser and always a repuke. He was being dissed long before the report came out...Heavly Redacked. Anyone that believes his having sold us out have not been keeping up with the actions of the Barr, the Ghoul, the Graham, McConnel and the rest of the merry brand of traitors.
Thanks for the link!
Trumps Russia Cover-Up By the Numbers 272 contacts with Russia-linked operatives
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Trump's crazy is one thing, but his family mob needs to be in lockup for a long time.
ecstatic
(32,701 posts)on Khashoggi's arrest and execution. Khashoggi was given a false sense of security by trump's govt before his trip.
trump & kush were truly surprised that any of us actually cared about what happened. That's how sociopathic and fucked up in the head they are.
I naively believed that the Khashoggi murder would be the last straw for republicans. That was dumb on my part. If they didn't give 2 shits about separated and caged babies on the border, why TF would they care about an executed Muslim journalist?
Edited to add:
If they know this shit and have the smoking gun, then remove the mother f*cking traitor right now! What the hell are they waiting for???? We're literally in danger with kump at the wheel!
disndat
(1,887 posts)on the nuclear button.
The_jackalope
(1,660 posts)Boom!
Joinfortmill
(14,417 posts)If true, it's all over but the singing. Hallelujah.
Brother Buzz
(36,423 posts)I'm intrigued by this story, and really want to believe it, but without any corroboration or confirmation, this is nothing but a heaping dish of bullshit suitable for the tabloids.
That being said, I really, really hope this story gains some traction and grows legs.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Spectator has been around nearly 200 years and has a conservative bias
Brother Buzz
(36,423 posts)conspiracy theory. And speaking of conspiracies, I could believe this could actually be a Psy Op story designed to suck progressives into a vacuum.
Captain Zero
(6,805 posts)Also. Sadly the death of a WP MUSLIM journalist, even if orchestrated by Trump Inc., will not be the thing to bring along GOP pols and trolls to the impeachment party, but perfect to discredit the entire opposition to Trump if even one facet of it can be found to be less than credible.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)the site( Spectator) will feature a blog called Cockburn, a cousin to Steerpike in Britain.
https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/spectator-launches-new-us-website-which-promises-not-to-be-crazily-for-or-crazily-against-president-donald-trump/
stopdiggin
(11,302 posts)This might all be solid stuff .. but it reads a bit like a gossip piece.
albacore
(2,398 posts)Remember Pizzagate? And the Bolling Green Massacre?
I'm not suggesting going as low as the RWNJs, but what's wrong with a little speculation?
Cockburn is all over the map, but he's not making shit up out of whole cloth.
stopdiggin
(11,302 posts)is the reason I think we need to be cautious. We do ourselves no favors by trafficking in crap. It just makes us look as ridiculous and ill informed as the right.
(and note that I'm not calling this story crap. just exercising a little reserve until I see more confirmation)
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)Wow.
Mersky
(4,980 posts)hlthe2b
(102,236 posts)OverBurn
(950 posts)Jarqui
(10,123 posts)as traitors/deceivers, etc
Trump has been running them since before his first official meeting with Putin.
When he accuses Obama of spying on him in 2016-7, how does that reflect on the US Intelligence Community?
The US Intelligence Community stands between Trump and stealing the 2020 election.
Etc
Would it shock anyone that the US Intelligence Community would be hard at work to protect itself, clear its name and produce a bunch of the evidence that exposes this criminal traitor for what he is?
One has to be careful of who he makes enemies with ...
Dorian Gray
(13,493 posts)at the depravity of the Trump/Kushner family, I don't think there is any corroboration that this is true.
If it IS true and they have proof of it... he needs to go to jail for the rest of his life.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)Jared and Trump are in this up to their eyeballs. Didn't MBS bail out Jared's building to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars? And what was MBS reason for doing so? Just because he liked Jared? Sounds like a quid pro quo to me. Jared needed money and Jared was willing to swap some of our most top secret information to MBS in exchange for MBS bailing Jared out of the mountain of debt he had amassed, with no way of paying it back. Throwing Kashoggi to the Saudi wolves was just a business transaction as far as these killers are concerned. I hope all of Jared's secrets are soon revealed and he is convicted for his treasonous acts and sentenced to rot in hell. And he can take his Father-in-Law with him; assuming he not in jail for his own crimes.
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disndat
(1,887 posts)there had been no word of how Jared got the $billions that he needed to pay of 666 5th Avenue. Another "quid Pro Quo"
deal? Supposedly given to Jared by Brooklyn Properties owned by Qatar.
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Roland99
(53,342 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)incredibly knowledgeable participants. Keep up the good work.
spanone
(135,830 posts)mtngirl47
(989 posts)This is probably the truth....Just hoping that it will come out on live TV so we can remove all the trump garbage out of the White House.
OldRed2450
(710 posts)We need to get those criminals out!
SWBTATTReg
(22,114 posts)people are investigated for security clearances. Kushner should be charged w/ murder.
brush
(53,776 posts)he owed on 666 5th Ave? Did he trade info for financial help?
SWBTATTReg
(22,114 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)voting against impeachment and then conviction will lose their jobs.
they need to see the activism before the big votes and before they get started with their obstruction tactics.
where are the progressive orgs?
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)That resulted in MBS rounding up those royal family members--his own relatives--and proceeded to torture them, shake them down for all their money, and in some instances kill them. And of course, not a peep from the Trump administration about that either.
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2018/10/22/1806322/-Kushner-gave-the-Saudi-Crown-Prince-a-hit-list-of-enemies-from-US-intel-including-Khashoggi
crickets
(25,969 posts)there is an investigation and arrest? It's stunning that espionage goes on as though it is normal and it is not. I know our news media is broken, but seriously?
democrank
(11,094 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)If this is what is coming out to the public, the Intel people must have some damning info. Well see how much them god fearin folks tolerate before they realize they been punked hard.
Demovictory9
(32,454 posts)EricaGriswoldAuthor
(68 posts)OMG...
gademocrat7
(10,656 posts)This cabal must be removed from office.
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Takket
(21,563 posts)crickets
(25,969 posts)There is a term for the exchange of U.S. intelligence or, worse, policy for money. The term is espionage. It is punishable by death.
I fully admit avoiding details of much going on since the election (I know, it's embarrassing, but for sanity reasons...) yet this story has slept in the background for a YEAR. Why has no one in the press loudly followed up on potential espionage until now, for goodness sake?
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)MBS bragged about having Kushner "in my pocket." Kushner should not only NOT have a security clearance, he should be on trial for spying.
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dchill
(38,484 posts)...but I never guessed about Erdogan's blackmail call. Should have.
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dchill
(38,484 posts)Duppers
(28,120 posts)Is our very democracy not at stake now?
These people have committed treason. This is the biggest bombshell ever and explains why some information is not being turned over to Adam Schiff.
How will this country handle it?
Will the mainstream press publish this information?
Murder has been committed, aided and abetted by Trump and Kushner; hundreds of Kurds have lost their lives because of this; hard-fought foreign policy has been destroyed. This is undoubtedly treason.
Will Trump, Kushner, Barr, and others be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law?
If not, this is not a country of laws and is no longer a democracy.
Impeachment is not enough, removal from office is not enough. Even if it means tearing this country apart, as did the Civil War, these people, including Trump, must be prosecuted and imprisoned.
trusty elf
(7,391 posts)Quixote1818
(28,930 posts)James48
(4,435 posts)Seriously- there is no bottom to this criminal enterprise.
liberalla
(9,243 posts)the big piece which is new to me, is the piece about Erdogan using the Kushner/MBS call as leverage to force Trump on leaving Syria. But it all makes sense IMO.
I don't want this hidden. I want all the secrets exposed.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)lark
(23,097 posts)I said that Edrogan gave up his evidence of Kushner's part in the murder in return for drumpf letting him push out and kill the Kurds. Well. I did equivocate. I said it was either that or he threatened drumpf tower. My first thought was correct.
Botany
(70,501 posts)... to flip and hand over the Northern Syria and the Kurds to the Trurks and Russians?
Treason, murder, blackmail, and selling out or allies, the Kurds by Kushner/Trump.
Bayard
(22,063 posts)And throw him smack dab under the bus.
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)Cockburn is.
Oppaloopa
(867 posts)pandr32
(11,581 posts)Chalco
(1,308 posts)Nitram
(22,794 posts)triron
(22,001 posts)This doesn't surprise me at all.
scipan
(2,350 posts)An urgent request/warning to the denizens of Daily Kos:
(UPDATE x2) Down the rabbit hole we go: Caution on Kushner/Turkey blackmail story
Bob Johnson
Please exercise an abundance of caution on the Kushner/Khashoggi/Turkey blackmail story.
To be honest, I will be surprised if there is any truth to this story, namely because the Washington Post and The New York Times have highly-developed sources on whistleblowers within this administration, and neither paper has even hinted at a story like this.
As noted in the original piece that now sits atop the Rec list, the Daily Mail story is based on a piece by the Cockburn blog in The Spectator. (Cockburn is the name of the blog. It is a D.C.-based blog for The Spectators U.S. version. There is no single author for the blog, according to The Spectator.)
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/11/4/1897064/-Down-the-rabbit-hole-we-go-Caution-on-Kushner-Turkey-blackmail-story
stopdiggin
(11,302 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)This could really blow up.