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Roland99

(53,342 posts)
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:44 PM Nov 2019

Wow! #TraitorTrump essentially just confessed!


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False stories are being reported that a few Republican Senators are saying that President Trump may have done a quid pro quo, but it doesn’t matter, there is nothing wrong with that, it is not an impeachable event. Perhaps so, but read the transcript, there is no quid pro quo!
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Wow! #TraitorTrump essentially just confessed! (Original Post) Roland99 Nov 2019 OP
That 's not what I read here. Shrike47 Nov 2019 #1
Me either. He's still denying what the testimony of several witnesses corroborated. brush Nov 2019 #2
The lack of the actual words "quid pro quo" doesn't mean none happened. Trump... Beartracks Nov 2019 #3
No he's just stupid. LakeArenal Nov 2019 #4
And the vast majority..... SergeStorms Nov 2019 #14
Well, there IS his 40 percent-or-so fan-base. calimary Nov 2019 #18
Who in their right fucking mind refers to themselves in the third person ? Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2019 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Nov 2019 #6
they don't Skittles Nov 2019 #7
just ask John Barron crazytown Nov 2019 #12
Ummmm . . . no. Ms. Toad Nov 2019 #8
perhaps so? dweller Nov 2019 #9
Normalizing Extortion. djacq Nov 2019 #10
More bribery than extortion, I believe. SergeStorms Nov 2019 #16
It doesn't have to be a quid pro quo Shoonra Nov 2019 #11
The Republicans are simply out of phase with each other. Marcuse Nov 2019 #13
Indeed. calimary Nov 2019 #19
Soon it will be, "of course there was quid pro quo, read the transcript" Kablooie Nov 2019 #15
That's not what it said, but I wish it had. amywalk Nov 2019 #17

brush

(53,740 posts)
2. Me either. He's still denying what the testimony of several witnesses corroborated.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:51 PM
Nov 2019

There was a quid pro quo

Beartracks

(12,797 posts)
3. The lack of the actual words "quid pro quo" doesn't mean none happened. Trump...
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:56 PM
Nov 2019

...Trump really believes Americans are stupid.

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SergeStorms

(19,182 posts)
14. And the vast majority.....
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 02:13 AM
Nov 2019

of his supporters. There are a smattering of those who aren't totally brain dead who're just in it for the money.

Response to Haggis for Breakfast (Reply #5)

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
8. Ummmm . . . no.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 12:08 AM
Nov 2019

He's not admitting quid pro quo - he is reporting the trial balloon strategy of a few senators who are suggesting they acknowledge quid pro quo.

He is expressly denying it.

djacq

(1,633 posts)
10. Normalizing Extortion.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 01:03 AM
Nov 2019

Where in our Constitution does it say that it's okay to use the levers of our government to extort for personal interest?

am I missing something here?

SergeStorms

(19,182 posts)
16. More bribery than extortion, I believe.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 02:18 AM
Nov 2019

Trump was not asking for money from the Ukraine, he had the money and wasn't giving it up until they agreed to publicly announce investigations into Joe and Hunter Biden for his own nefarious purposes. The old "this, for that", which is quid pro quo in anyone's language.

Shoonra

(518 posts)
11. It doesn't have to be a quid pro quo
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 01:25 AM
Nov 2019

It is not necessary that Trump couched his requested favor from Ukraine as a quid pro quo.

It is enough that (1) he withheld military aid to an ally contrary to the bipartisan will of Congress, and that (b) he solicited/received a "thing of value" - namely useful secretive campaign information - from a foreign source for his election campaign. And (a) doesn't even have to involve the same foreign country as (b).

We also have his violation of the emoluments prohibition, for example collecting his very substantial hotel/resort prices in taxpayer money from federal officials and employees, and openly encouraging foreign dignitaries to become paying guests at his hotel. It would be different if he provided them all with a special discount rate.

Now frankly, when the President of the US of A makes a request of a favor from a foreign leader it doesn't have to be couched in quid pro quo language; if the US President - the man who provides American largess and can make all sorts of decisions affecting that country - asks a favor, it works pretty much as a command ---- very unlike the reaction if it were you or I asking the favor.

Marcuse

(7,443 posts)
13. The Republicans are simply out of phase with each other.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 01:38 AM
Nov 2019

Phase I: “He didn’t do it.”
Phase II: “He could have done it, if he had wanted.“
Phase III: “He did it. He’ll do it again. Get over it.”

Kablooie

(18,606 posts)
15. Soon it will be, "of course there was quid pro quo, read the transcript"
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 02:15 AM
Nov 2019

But it's normal and there's nothing wrong with it.

and all his toadies that have been screaming 'there's no quid pro quo!' will nod their heads and repeat, "Of course there was. It's normal and there's nothing wrong with it. "

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