That JeffreyEpsteinDidn'tKillHimself meme is being pushed by online trolls

[Tommy_Carcetti]

Last edited Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:45 AM - Edit history (1)

Some of you might think it’s being directed towards Trump as a culprit.

I can tell you it’s most certainly not.

That clip from Jesse Watters show on Fox was not Watters being trolled. I am sure he was more than okay with that message.

Right now the trolls on social media are desperate to change the conversation from the Trump impeachment. Hunter Biden theories aren’t cutting it. Neither is Crowdstrike.

So they’re digging Epstein up and pointing it in one direction. And it’s not Trump they’re pointing at. It’s all going in the same garbage pile as Vince Foster and Seth Rich theories because that’s what these idiots know.

Don't believe me? That's fine. Search "#JeffreyEpsteinDidntKillHimself" on Twitter and you'll see what type of accounts predominate your results.

Don’t feed the trolls, people.

[Farmer-Rick]

1. How do you know this?

Rember how they labeled everyone who thought W and Cheney had been derelict in 9/11 as conspiracy theorist? When in fact both those bozos were derelict in their duties during 9/11. But now if you say that you get labeled.

Let's face it, Epstein's death is suspicious at least and helped out a whole lot of filthy rich pedophiles including Trump. But now when we say that we are Trolls?

[jberryhill]

7. "had been derelict in 9/11"?

No, I don't remember that, and I used to participate quite a bit in the DU 9/11 forum back in the day.

That W and Cheney were "derelict" was, in fact, the conclusion of the 9/11 Commission which no one ever reads.

I do recall a lot of people pushing "explosives in the towers", "no planes", "missile at the Pentagon" and all manner of horseshit like that. I also remember a fair amount of thinly-veiled "it was the Jews" posted at DU.

That was until Barack Obama became president and, of course, became one of "them" who also apparently believes that 9/11 was an attack by Al Qaeda operatives.

[Farmer-Rick]

18. I guarantee you if you go around repeating that W and Cheney were derelict

In 9/11 someone is going to call you a 9/11 truther. It's happened to me so many times.

I wasn't active on DU during the 9/11 aftermath so I'm not referring to what happened here.

But yeah a lot of truth in 9/11 got labeled conspiracy theory. It's because the full report identifying the Saudi's as major players was hidden. It was fed to the public in pieces then lies added to hide RepubliCON responsibility.

Epstein's crimes touched a lot of filthy rich pedophiles' lives. And his death pretty well shut down further investigation. So how can you Not have suspicions about his suicide? It may not be trolls. It may just be some of the victim's voices coming out.

[jberryhill]

19. "It may just be some of the victim's voices coming out."

You didn't listen to them.

You seem to understand that Epstein's death does not silence, and did not silence, his victims - many of whom testified and none of whom (with the exception of Giuffre's very different account) said anything about these "filthy rich pedophiles".


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/juliareinstein/jeffrey-epstein-women-victims-testify-court-quotes

23 Women Stood In Court And Said Jeffrey Epstein Abused Them. Here Are Their Most Powerful Quotes.

One by one, with many in tears, the women described how Epstein manipulated, coerced, threatened, and sexually abused them when they were just teens.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jeffrey-epstein-accuser-names-four-women-his-web-enablers-n1063801?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

Jeffrey Epstein accuser names four women in his web of enablers

Jennifer Araoz, who first told her story to NBC News in July, accused four people by name of helping facilitate Epstein’s abuse of her starting when she was 14 years old.

The four include Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein’s longtime companion; Rosalyn Fontanilla, a former housekeeper who died in 2016; Lesley Groff, who worked as his secretary, and Cimberly Espinosa, a former executive assistant to Epstein, according to the court papers obtained by NBC News.


https://jezebel.com/the-real-jeffrey-epstein-scandal-has-unfolded-in-front-1837171412

And just when it seemed that Epstein was actually going to be held accountable for those many, well documented offenses, yet again, he’s escaped. Epstein’s apparent suicide this week—and the conspiracy theories and bad media coverage around it—obscures the real scandal as it was just beginning to emerge. At some point, perhaps, if we’re very lucky, the overheated speculation around Epstein’s death may turn to introspection. It might be worth asking ourselves, for instance, why the public is so much more engaged by Epstein’s bizarre jailhouse death than in listening to his living victims, or questioning the many shameless hucksters who have tried to use their pain for their own political and financial ends. In part, that’s because Epstein’s case has been inextricably linked with conspiracy for such a long time, making it near impossible for the lived experience of his victims to ever be fully heard over the din.

[Farmer-Rick]

25. So we hear their voices when they accuse Epstein but

It is muffled when they accuse other filthy rich pedophiles. Remember all the pictures of Epstein with Trump, the rich and royalty? Remember how the media was hounding them about their contacts with Epstein? Now there is silence ....nothing more.

It's easy to pay off the victims. Especially when your multi million dollar tax cut depends on it. So, they point the finger at the guy who forced them into childhood sex slavery but not at the Johns.

[jberryhill]

27. Oh, the victims are lying?

I had not thought of that.


It's easy to pay off the victims. Especially when your multi million dollar tax cut depends on it. So, they point the finger at the guy who forced them into childhood sex slavery but not at the Johns.

How clever of you to figure out the victims are liars, since they obviously did not testify to what you know to be true already.

Do you suppose the victims reported this income? Or are they now involved in a money laundering conspiracy as well?

But, hats off to you. You are the first one I've seen with the forthright statement that the victims are lying.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

14. You aren't being trolls. You're being useful idiots.

Social media trolling—and we all know the powers behind concerted trolling efforts—work in a certain way, and it isn’t to help Western liberals.

Conservatives wishing to distract the conversation from impeachment talk will gladly welcome JeffreyEpsteinDidn’tKillHimself just like the Bush administration welcomed all the crazy Tower 7 talk after 9-11 because for the very reason you mentioned...it distracted from the actual issue of their ineptitude leading up to the attacks. It all gets washed away all in the same.

[Ferrets are Cool]

32. This

[rampartc]

2. i do not believe epstein is dead

but whatever he was in federal custody and that means trump and barr are responsible whatever happened.

"they" have a different theory. they call it "arkancide." I don't consider that credible.

[dewsgirl]

4. What is arkancide?

[jberryhill]

8. "The Clinton Body Count"

You know, the "Vince Foster was murdered" stuff, since despite suicide being one of the top causes of death across the board, practically no one ever does it.

[dewsgirl]

11. I wasn't thinking of Clinton. That makes sense.

[jberryhill]

12. When you see a word you do not recognize

...it is often helpful to simply Google it:

https://www.google.com/search?q=arkancide

Unless of course the question is intended as a rhetorical device in order to further discussion of the topic.

You'll notice among the top hits for that word, the theory that Epstein was a victim of Arkancide.

Quite a number of DU members have been roped into promoting that, albeit unwittingly. It's quite clever.

[dewsgirl]

16. I usually do, I thought it was just made up. I just googled, there

is actually a Arkancide podcast. Apparently the word is much more popular than I gave it credit for.
It is quite clever. It makes you stop and think about how many of these scenarios we actually see everyday and have no idea.

[jberryhill]

20. What do you mean by "these scenarios"?

Does "these scenarios" mean coordinated murder conspiracies?

Or do you mean "conspiracy theories promoted by bots on the internet to undermine democracy"?

The 9/11 shit was great at creating a cloud of bullshit to distract from the actual conclusion that the W administration fucked up.

[dewsgirl]

22. Yes, scenarios cleverly disguised to divide.

[rampartc]

13. i'll let the urban dictionart explain ........

"arkancide
Arkancide is the favored method of getting rid political enemies in the state of Arkansas. When the medical examiners explain away two bodies filled with bullets as a case of suicide, it's obvious they caught a case of arkancide."

note : this is a rwnj theory which I neither endorse nor sanction.

[dewsgirl]

3. Do they realize this isn't exactly helping their case?

Considering Barr likely had a hand in it, to cover for Trump. If he is actually dead.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

6. They're counting on it to instantly trigger their Clintonphobia

...without considering actual facts.

Actual facts don’t drive these people. Base conspiratorial theorizing that squares with their worldview—that’s what drives them.

[dewsgirl]

9. I forgot all about Clinton being involved. I guess that makes

sense. Of course.

[John1956PA]

17. As soon as I saw the dog trainer video with his last second non sequiter, I knew it was a RW tactic.

The off-camera laughing and excited utterances by the video crew expressed their support for the trainer's comment.

The tactic is to ram home the canard that JE was murdered by prison staffers bought off by the left. The RW has utilized such disgusting Internet propaganda tactics for years.

[jberryhill]

28. +1

[braddy]

5. The accusation is against the amoral international rich and powerful and their influence and power

over nations systems that will not or cannot pursue them.

There is something very wrong with these many years of Epstein's crime ring being revealed, but with nothing ever coming of any of it, it was all allowed to simply evaporate, with no reason not to think that the international club simply needs a new manager to replace Epstein.

[jberryhill]

10. Yep

Like the one that was into all the pre-schools back in the 1980's.

[jberryhill]

15. Because it dovetails with Clinton conspiracy shit

[Farmer-Rick]

23. There are a lot of truths the nut jobs on the right can use against reality

But that does not mean it is any less true.

The biggest winner of Epstein's death was the well known pedophile Trump. It was done to protect his huge a**. But pretending the suicide only helps left leaning perverts was going to happen because the right controls our media.

But the biggest winner of Epstein's "suicide" was clearly the self identified pedophile Trump.

[mopinko]

34. all the best propaganda has a kernel of truth.

a long suspected but never proven truth is the best kind.
it just pings people right in the id.

[fleur-de-lisa]

21. Epstein tried to commit suicide before.

Why is it such a stretch to believe that he succeeded the second time?

[Farmer-Rick]

24. Too many filthy rich a**es were saved by his suicide

The biggest being Trump's.

[jberryhill]

29. How did his suicide do that?

He wasn't going to testify at his own trial. That would be ridiculous. Arresting and charging him is the one way to get him to shut up.

I normally ask whether the victims (with one interesting exception) are lying, but you've already confirmed that the victims were all paid off to lie.

Since several of the victims were represented by Gloria Allred at the time the victims were paid off not to testify about other men, then would I be correct in assuming that you would also think that Allred was involved in getting the victims to lie?

[Farmer-Rick]

38. I never said the victims were paid to lie

I said they were paid after Epstein's death to keep quiet about some of their Johns... the filthy rich ones, the ones in government like Trump and the royal ones that the pavarazzi were following around after the news broke. Why Not? Now that Epstein is dead those Johns who had fun with little girls don't really have to worry too much about anyone prosecuting them. Epstein could have gotten a deal to reveal who the filthy rich johns were. But he kept quiet and that was kind of strange for a pedophile especially a filthy rich one.

Trump was seen regularly with Epstein. He met his current wife/Slovenian sex worker/first lay through Epstein. He partied hardy with Epstein. This can be seen in numerous pictures circulating back then.

Psychopaths have really perverted sexual desires.

[Mike Nelson]

26. Yes...

... this is a coordinated effort. Tucker, Watters and FOX don't say Hillary did it, but they don't need to make that claim... it's being made by secondary sources and repeated on Twitter and Facebook. It's very well coordinated. It's what the "folks" at FOX do...

[BlueTsunami2018]

30. I disagree.

I see it going both ways but it’s silly to think it had anything to do with petty partisan American politics. He had the real powers of the world involved in his “services” and that could never come to light.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

35. If you don't believe me, search #EpsteinDidn'tKillHimself in Twitter

And you'll see what type of pages predominately have spread this story.

Moreover, Epstein dying had no effect on the ongoing investigation into any co-conspirators of his crimes, so the idea that he was snuffed seems rather silly.

[Baltimike]

31. this. all day. nt

[Tommy_Carcetti]

36. Yup. nt

[LeftinOH]

33. Epstein died in a Federal facility, over which Trump has authority..

but Hillary Clinton has none whatsoever.

[Baltimike]

37. this. nt

[jberryhill]

39. Epstein's autopsy was conducted in an NYC facility over which Trump has no authority