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BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 05:31 PM Nov 2019

Schiff may make a separate impeachment charge for those not

showing up to testify today (4 of them) and those expected to not show over the rest of the week. Schiff said he likely won't take it to court but will make it a charge to add to the list.

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Schiff may make a separate impeachment charge for those not (Original Post) BigmanPigman Nov 2019 OP
They side with a traitor. Kid Berwyn Nov 2019 #1
Scorched Earth! Don't mess around with these criminals!!! ffr Nov 2019 #2
Chew their traitorous asses up. Pepsidog Nov 2019 #3
+1. No mercy. dalton99a Nov 2019 #4
Both. Contempt of Congress. maxsolomon Nov 2019 #5
+1 Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #23
Is there a list of the folks that didnt show up today but who were called? RT Atlanta Nov 2019 #6
Here you go... They are all close to tRump. BigmanPigman Nov 2019 #8
Schiff needs to announce an Official Amnesty Deadline... MartyTheGreek Nov 2019 #7
That sounds like a really good idea. Not sure if he can, but it would compel info. to come forward? Evolve Dammit Nov 2019 #17
Great idea. Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #24
Excellent idea!!! If it can be done. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2019 #33
Schiff said he likely won't take it to court but will make it a charge to add to the list. erlewyne Nov 2019 #9
Yes! But wish he would drop the word "may" Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #25
Good, thanks Rep. Schiff. Mc Mike Nov 2019 #10
A second charge to add to the list? But what consequences are there for them? Maraya1969 Nov 2019 #11
I fear DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #15
Yes .. likely dead end...but I think so what! Theres Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #26
With today's DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #43
They didn't uncover it. It was posted by Spectator US Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #44
He means expanding obstruction of justice charges against Trump, I believe. nt tblue37 Nov 2019 #22
That's what I thought. So if I were any of those called to testify I might very well jump at that triron Nov 2019 #40
Democrats should be throwing the book at these uncooperative witnesses. LiberalLovinLug Nov 2019 #32
I'm with you. triron Nov 2019 #41
Randi Rhodes bdamomma Nov 2019 #12
I miss Randi from Air America. What channel/ network is she on? Evolve Dammit Nov 2019 #18
Listen to Randi 3:00-5:00 ET at sueh Nov 2019 #19
Thanks! Evolve Dammit Nov 2019 #38
I have been calling for RICO investigation of the GOP/RNC for 2 decades... IthinkThereforeIAM Nov 2019 #29
I think arresting just one of them would make some changes. TNNurse Nov 2019 #13
Just one bdamomma Nov 2019 #20
These people made an issue out of a tan suit. Time Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #27
Exactly!!!! "Organized crime syndicate. !!!!!!" RKP5637 Nov 2019 #34
you bet gop would start arresting AlexSFCA Nov 2019 #14
Add it to the list and explain the details to those capable of rational thought. Evolve Dammit Nov 2019 #16
and very short memories too. bdamomma Nov 2019 #21
Absolutely. And that lack of doing ANYTHING to benefit ANYONE except the rich is not covered by MSM. Evolve Dammit Nov 2019 #39
I thought only the prez and VP can be impeached, and the rest get indicted. I read that somewhere. ancianita Nov 2019 #28
I think they're adding these cases to the 'separate' obstruction of Congress Lock him up. Nov 2019 #30
That's my point. "Lock 'em up" can't happen in this situation unless Dems are willing to do ancianita Nov 2019 #36
Adam Schiff IcyPeas Nov 2019 #31
He's amazing to have the temperament to put up with all of the republican bullshit. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2019 #35
Impeach all of them. lagomorph777 Nov 2019 #37
Hear, hear! BigmanPigman Nov 2019 #42

ffr

(22,669 posts)
2. Scorched Earth! Don't mess around with these criminals!!!
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 06:28 PM
Nov 2019

And don't stop until every last one is serving hard time.

RT Atlanta

(2,517 posts)
6. Is there a list of the folks that didnt show up today but who were called?
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 06:39 PM
Nov 2019

If you can direct me or share a link that will be appreciated. Werent some OMB folks called?

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
8. Here you go... They are all close to tRump.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 06:48 PM
Nov 2019

What’s happening next week:

Congress will be on a weeklong break, but the committees and staff conducting the investigation will continue interviewing a number of important witnesses, making next week a crucial phase before public hearings begin.

*Monday is a busy day, with investigators scheduled to talk to Robert Blair, an aide to Mick Mulvaney, the acting chief of staff. They’re also supposed to talk to John Eisenberg, the top lawyer on the National Security Council, and his deputy, Michael Ellis.

*On Tuesday, a White House budget official, Michael Duffey, is scheduled to testify; on Wednesday, investigators want to talk to T. Ulrich Brechbuhl, a State Department adviser close to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

*On Thursday — and this is a big one — it could be John Bolton’s turn. The former national security adviser would be the closest person to President Trump to testify. Multiple witnesses have said he objected to the president’s dealings with Ukraine. But his lawyer said he would not appear voluntarily, and it’s not clear how he will respond to a subpoena.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/01/us/politics/impeachment-week-ahead.html


MartyTheGreek

(565 posts)
7. Schiff needs to announce an Official Amnesty Deadline...
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 06:45 PM
Nov 2019

for past or present Trump employees, feds, hookers (sad to say), that want to come forward to be faithful US citizens and report the truth about what they know if they were afraid of any culpability.

Schiff should announce that any Non-Disclosure Agreements signed by these employees with Trump are now Null and Void in light of the Impeachment investigations and proceedings.

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
9. Schiff said he likely won't take it to court but will make it a charge to add to the list.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 06:50 PM
Nov 2019

This gentleman, Schiff, is a gentleman and a leader. Those dumb-ass
Trumper's read this, what Schiff said, and they know their asses are grass
and he's the lawnmower.

We are going to hear a changing of the tune.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
10. Good, thanks Rep. Schiff.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 07:30 PM
Nov 2019

I'd like to see some of those fine assessments I was hearing about a couple months back, too.

Maraya1969

(22,479 posts)
11. A second charge to add to the list? But what consequences are there for them?
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 07:43 PM
Nov 2019

They get their name on a list?

Fuck that! I am sick of these people blatantly disobeying the law.

DENVERPOPS

(8,817 posts)
15. I fear
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:29 PM
Nov 2019

I fear that the democrats know that there is absolutely nothing they can do to corral this crowd, except go thru the motions.....

The DOJ is the enforcement crowd, and we know who owns them !!!!!!!!!!!!

(They also own the Judicial Supremes).......not sure about the FBI.......

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
26. Yes .. likely dead end...but I think so what! Theres
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 09:13 AM
Nov 2019

A time to stand up and do something. Get it ALL on the record. Who wants to be in the history books?

DENVERPOPS

(8,817 posts)
43. With today's
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 05:41 PM
Nov 2019

With today's news of Donnie Jr. publicly naming the whistleblower I doubt ANY whistleblower now or in the future will be thinking about being in a history book or their 15 minutes of fame. Their only thoughts will be surviving until they testify and afterwards.

My question would be, how did Donnie Jr, Linsey Graham, etc etc etc all find out the name/identity of the whistleblower??????????

Especially on something this momentous, that person not only has to worry about Trump, The Republicans in Congress, all their 50 million MAGGOT followers, but even foreign governments and U.S. Corporations that will be rocked by us impeaching their leader.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
44. They didn't uncover it. It was posted by Spectator US
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 06:32 PM
Nov 2019

(conservative) site last week. Google it to see more background. Trump flipped cuz no decent news outlet picked it up.

triron

(22,001 posts)
40. That's what I thought. So if I were any of those called to testify I might very well jump at that
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 07:04 PM
Nov 2019

offer. Sure sounds like a good deal for them. So why show up?

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
32. Democrats should be throwing the book at these uncooperative witnesses.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 02:13 PM
Nov 2019

Not just including another obstruction charge against Trump. What is one more obstruction charge to him at this point? Or even to the public? Why not make it clear that just because the President orders you to not cooperate, does not erase your duty to testify. And if you do not comply, not only will Democrats take down Trump, but you as well will be charged with not complying with a lawful order.

How does this encourage any new witnesses into cooperating? Put on some list that will go nowhere if they don't?

I thought that Democrats should not have gone out of their way to make it even more fairer that Bill Clinton and the Democrats dealt with back in that time. Why? Right....I know, to prove how much more ethical you are. Fine. But if the outcome is so important to the country, why do they always have to bend over backwards for a corrupt criminal organization, who will take any advantage you hand them.

Meanwhile Republicans will use any dirty trick they can. Barr's latest; insisting on every witness being represented by the GOP to “protect executive privilege.” Which I'm sure they will implement for any uncomfortable question.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,076 posts)
29. I have been calling for RICO investigation of the GOP/RNC for 2 decades...
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:23 PM
Nov 2019

... and then we got Citizen's United that the GOP/RNC and their benefactors and stooges set up into a, "freedom of speech", issue for the courts. Anyone could see that it would lead to under the table moneys from foreign entities and other nefarious characters. Now we got Igor and Parnas and that is just the tip of the iceberg.

bdamomma

(63,845 posts)
20. Just one
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:06 PM
Nov 2019

repigs will be calling it a witch hunt, as usual.

I hope they all (repigs) go down. And I do not trust McConnell what a bunch of thugs. That's what they are. Organized crime syndicate.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
27. These people made an issue out of a tan suit. Time
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 09:15 AM
Nov 2019

To stop thinking about what they will say or do if we do XY or Z

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
14. you bet gop would start arresting
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:29 PM
Nov 2019

we need to be bolder in enforcing the law; do subpoenas mean anything in congress anymore? It seems you can ignore it; or commit perjury with no consequences. Not a great precedent to set.

Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
16. Add it to the list and explain the details to those capable of rational thought.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:32 PM
Nov 2019

It seems to be (sadly) a shrinking audience in a very de-sensitized and dumbed down USA.

Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
39. Absolutely. And that lack of doing ANYTHING to benefit ANYONE except the rich is not covered by MSM.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 07:03 PM
Nov 2019

They just go from tweet to tweet, the economy, etc. and not many call out this Administration for doing nothing. To the contrary, the destruction of institutions is chilling, the life-time radical judges, etc. Barely covered.

ancianita

(36,053 posts)
28. I thought only the prez and VP can be impeached, and the rest get indicted. I read that somewhere.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:20 PM
Nov 2019

I'll look it up, but I'm pretty sure they can be detained, fined, etc., although rethugs would muddy the media waters to make Dems look like rethugs' own dirty selves.

If Schiff's just trying to avoid drama and stay focused on MF45, I suppose "impeach" is as good a word as any, for now.

Lock him up.

(6,928 posts)
30. I think they're adding these cases to the 'separate' obstruction of Congress
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 01:38 PM
Nov 2019

charge.

They should also add a few cases of obstruction of Justice from the Mueller Report.

Lock 'em all up!

ancianita

(36,053 posts)
36. That's my point. "Lock 'em up" can't happen in this situation unless Dems are willing to do
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 04:24 PM
Nov 2019

a pretty large number of separate "obstruction" prosecutions.

I don't know how that happens.

Maybe a knowledgeable lawyer can help us out about how prosecuting congress people gets done. It looks like a Big legal fight ahead against the DOJ, which won't prosecute.

IcyPeas

(21,866 posts)
31. Adam Schiff
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 01:53 PM
Nov 2019

is working so hard to get to the truth-- he must be so frustrated with all these assholes refusing to show up.

Keep going Mr. Schiff.

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