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LAS14

(13,777 posts)
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 12:16 PM Nov 2019

This warrants the attention that was mistakenly given to the KY governorship.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/06/pennsylvania-suburbs-trump-067078

Democrats seized control of suburban Philadelphia’s Delaware County Council for the first time in history, knocking out what was once one of the most powerful GOP machines in the nation.

With Bevin being the 2nd most despised governor in the nation, and with only two previous GOP governors in decades, it's not such a big deal that Beshear won. But the PA turnover is a really big deal.
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This warrants the attention that was mistakenly given to the KY governorship. (Original Post) LAS14 Nov 2019 OP
Step by step by step.... magicarpet Nov 2019 #1
A big, fat K&R! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2019 #2
Kentucky was important, gab13by13 Nov 2019 #3
I agree. He was thinking just as clearly as when he decided to release the Ukraine transcript. nt LAS14 Nov 2019 #9
Of course I rec'ed, but you other DUers make me feel like a bad Dad when I see this on a DU post: JoeOtterbein Nov 2019 #4
Is she really your daughter? lillypaddle Nov 2019 #11
Yep!!! JoeOtterbein Nov 2019 #12
That's the ticket!! lillypaddle Nov 2019 #14
Congrats Dad!! True Blue American Nov 2019 #29
I always feel bad when I see Holly's articles here before I check Politico! JoeOtterbein Nov 2019 #13
If Otterbein wasn't such a common name crazytown Nov 2019 #19
Thanks! JoeOtterbein Nov 2019 #20
They're both important. klook Nov 2019 #5
You Need Both DallasNE Nov 2019 #6
KY was more disappointing down ballot... Wounded Bear Nov 2019 #15
and now the nation knows about Kentucky's dire situation Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #17
You're Right! TA2020 Nov 2019 #7
It got coverage and also because 2 other rim counties had the same outcome BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #8
very true.. problem is repubs have been at this since 1970s at least.. pangaia Nov 2019 #10
Well the "equal and opposite reaction" happened in Jersey BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #21
I live in a medium size town(very small "city") in Upstate NY pangaia Nov 2019 #27
There are still some "moderate" Republicans out there who have not drunk the koolaid BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #28
Also we flipped the entire state government in VA. lagomorph777 Nov 2019 #16
That was near generational job to get done, too... Wounded Bear Nov 2019 #18
I think the DLC has (thankfully) disbanded, hasn't it? lagomorph777 Nov 2019 #23
Yeah, though that got us the Clinton pres IIRC... Wounded Bear Nov 2019 #24
I hear ya. We take the good with the bad... lagomorph777 Nov 2019 #25
One thing that happened here in PA in 2018 BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #22
Yes, and VA got partially "un-gerrymandered" too... Wounded Bear Nov 2019 #26
Have to thank the great legal arguments tying redistricting to language in our state Constitution BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #30
Was following that from afar with great interest... Wounded Bear Nov 2019 #31
They have been pushing for some type of "fair districting" here BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #32
Yeah, we're all mail in, basically... Wounded Bear Nov 2019 #33
Yeah - I can see the issue BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #34
I used to live in that area, and I can corroborate MBS Nov 2019 #35

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
4. Of course I rec'ed, but you other DUers make me feel like a bad Dad when I see this on a DU post:
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 01:30 PM
Nov 2019

By HOLLY OTTERBEIN
11/06/2019 08:09 PM EST
Updated: 11/06/2019 09:36 PM EST

Thanks for posting!

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
19. If Otterbein wasn't such a common name
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 02:59 PM
Nov 2019

I would be more ready to believe Holly is your daughter Congratulations again. Holly is a really fine journalist.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
6. You Need Both
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 01:52 PM
Nov 2019

The splash at the top in Kentucky is important for the headline it generates. But the party needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. That happened in both Delaware County and in Virginia where control in the legislature shifted from Republican to Democrat by a 53-43 seat margin. This is where you make gains with reversing the gerrymandering and voter suppression and return democratic values and fairness into governance. It will be tough too because Citizens United has yet to be addressed. But Tuesday was music in the ears.

Wounded Bear

(58,619 posts)
15. KY was more disappointing down ballot...
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 02:40 PM
Nov 2019

and it looks like the Repub leg is gonna try and overturn it. If that happens, hopefully it will trigger a Dem backlash, but with years to go before next election, it would be a chance for Repubs to do more harm.

But I'll take all the good news I can find. Seeing the Dems generate local enthusiasm around the country is very heartening.

TA2020

(5 posts)
7. You're Right!
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 02:01 PM
Nov 2019

I grew up here and my sister ( still lives in bucks county) alerted me on Wednesday morning
check out philly.com
they say some areas have been republican districts for over one hundred years!!!

BumRushDaShow

(128,716 posts)
8. It got coverage and also because 2 other rim counties had the same outcome
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 02:03 PM
Nov 2019

with Democrats taking over control of Chester County and Bucks County governance. One of the other Counties hadn't been in (D) control since the Civil War.

As a note, 2 of the 3 counties had also produced 2 new (D) congresswomen in 2018 after our previously-gerrymandered congressional seats were fixed (Chester County, with a new PA-6 and Delaware County, with a new PA-5).

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
10. very true.. problem is repubs have been at this since 1970s at least..
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 02:10 PM
Nov 2019

poco a poco.. town boards, road commissioners, city councils, county supervisors and on and on up the chain...

it's a hard battle back, i will say...

BumRushDaShow

(128,716 posts)
21. Well the "equal and opposite reaction" happened in Jersey
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 03:21 PM
Nov 2019

where Democrats lost a bunch of seats in the NJ state legislature and in some of the Counties in South Jersey. The legislature there is still majority (D) but still...

It seems that with the blue cities getting darker blue and the purple burbs getting bluer, the GOP is consolidating more and more into the small town & rural areas and making them red.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
27. I live in a medium size town(very small "city") in Upstate NY
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 03:39 PM
Nov 2019

We have had the same dem mayor for 28 years. Tuesday a repub won !!

And if I HAD to vote for a repub, this guy would be one of the few I could stomach... well.. he IS a repub !!!

This may not be too bad for us as the town board is generally on the slightly but clearly liberal side of things.. very protective of the environment, and the well-being of the citizens who live here..

but still.. even though it was very close.. humm....

BumRushDaShow

(128,716 posts)
28. There are still some "moderate" Republicans out there who have not drunk the koolaid
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 04:16 PM
Nov 2019

But what has been happening over the past 10 years is that radicals within the party have been targeting them (complete with outside funding) during the primaries and have been slowly replacing them with the crazies.

So after a couple instances of "primarying" as an intimidation tactic, any remaining ones start pivoting and acting like the crazies. It's just insane.

Wounded Bear

(58,619 posts)
18. That was near generational job to get done, too...
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 02:55 PM
Nov 2019

It appears the DNC/DLC/DLCC are on a more long term plan now, and not just focusing on the presidential election every four years.

That's a good thing.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
23. I think the DLC has (thankfully) disbanded, hasn't it?
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 03:33 PM
Nov 2019

It was the Koch bros effort to infiltrate the Democratic Party.

Wounded Bear

(58,619 posts)
24. Yeah, though that got us the Clinton pres IIRC...
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 03:35 PM
Nov 2019

You're probably right. Can't keep my acronyms straight any more.

Senior moment.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
25. I hear ya. We take the good with the bad...
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 03:37 PM
Nov 2019

and occasionally, though getting old beats the alternative, it comes with a cost.

BumRushDaShow

(128,716 posts)
22. One thing that happened here in PA in 2018
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 03:27 PM
Nov 2019

was that we finally got rid of the "super-majorities" of (R)s in our state legislature. So with our having re-elected a (D) governor also in 2018, he can veto the heck out of any crazy shit that the GOP puts forward and they can't override it.

Wounded Bear

(58,619 posts)
26. Yes, and VA got partially "un-gerrymandered" too...
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 03:37 PM
Nov 2019

that contributed to some of the Dem success this cycle, and hopefully leads to more equitable re-districting on the next go-around.

Come to think of it, PA has benefitted from the re-districting work being done, too.



BumRushDaShow

(128,716 posts)
30. Have to thank the great legal arguments tying redistricting to language in our state Constitution
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:25 PM
Nov 2019

and that pretty much sealed it (and the federal courts refused to hear any arguments from either side about it because it was a "state issue" ). And then having finally managed to get a Democratic governor elected in 2014 (booting Corbett (R)), which allowed (D)s to finally start challenging the gerrymandered districts. THEN we had had an election in 2017 (I believe) that shifted the state Supreme Court to majority (D), and their ruling to redraw the lines withstood all the challenges and the court itself drew the new lines to comply with the state Constitution's requirement for "compact and contiguous" districts.

The laughing-stock original PA-7 looked like this before it was completely redrawn and renumbered. The bottom right-hand portion of that is now part of the new PA-5 encompassing Delaware County that was mentioned in the OP -



(and when the redrawing happened, the GOP loons threatened to impeach the (D) justices on the state Supreme Court )

Wounded Bear

(58,619 posts)
31. Was following that from afar with great interest...
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:31 PM
Nov 2019

My state (WA) does re-drawing through a three way panel, Dem, Rep, and a Judge who is presumably non-partisan. Our current map generally favors Dems by a tad the last time I ran it through one of those gerrymander programs, but it's not that bad. We are pretty blue overall, but like most states there is a large urban/rural divide that breaks down red/blue.

Hopefully, Penn and other states move to a more equitable situation. I'm no fan of Dem gerrymandering either.

BumRushDaShow

(128,716 posts)
32. They have been pushing for some type of "fair districting" here
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:51 PM
Nov 2019

but it's been mostly blocked by the GOP.

However the shocker of the week was that the GOP legislature and the governor actually came to a compromise to start making some changes in our voting where the (D)s gave up straight-ticket voting (much to the consternation of many Democrats here in Philly) in exchange for "no-excuse" mail-in absentee voting! ACTUALLY just read it and apparently this is allowing regular "mail-in voting" too - up to 50 days before (and you can be put on a list to always get your ballot by mail)!

https://patch.com/pennsylvania/newtown-pa/7-big-changes-voting-pa-just-signed-law

https://www.governor.pa.gov/newsroom/governor-wolf-signs-election-reform-bill-including-new-mail-in-voting/

I remember doing telephone town halls with my State Senator and always asking about whether anything was happening with "early voting", etc and here we are!

Wounded Bear

(58,619 posts)
33. Yeah, we're all mail in, basically...
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 08:24 PM
Nov 2019

there are some polling places for handicapped and such, but essentially they mail the ballots to us and we fill them out and mail them in, postage free now.

Sadly, it seems the participation rate still isn't very good.

BumRushDaShow

(128,716 posts)
34. Yeah - I can see the issue
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 08:30 PM
Nov 2019

It's pretty much getting people motivated to vote period - whether they go to a polling place or mail it in. There is always a subset who will complain that it "doesn't matter".

MBS

(9,688 posts)
35. I used to live in that area, and I can corroborate
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 08:38 PM
Nov 2019

that this is a genuinely Big Deal.
I like to think that the former brave Democratic congressman from this district, the late great Bob Edgar (as I remember, himself the first Democratic congressman to represent that district since Reconstruction, elected in the late 1970's thanks to Watergate), would be grinning broadly right now.

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