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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTPM boils it down to this: "The President used extortion to cheat in the 2020 presidential election.
Here are some basic thoughts about what happened in this story, what matters and how to describe it.
The President used extortion to cheat in the 2020 presidential election. He used military aid dollars meant to aid an ally against his Russian patrons in order to force Ukraine to intervene in the 2020 elections, in order to remain in office by corrupt means.
There are various crimes that get committed along the way. But that is the core of it. The President is delegated vast powers to act in the national interest and he has vast discretion to determine what he or she believes the national interest is. But when he uses those powers for his own personal or financial gain they are illegitimate on their face, abuses of power and merit impeachment. The fact that he was doing so to sabotage a national election makes it vastly worse. And the fact that he was getting a foreign power to sabotage a US election makes it worse still. Any talk of quid pro quos and this and that minutiae is a distortion of what happened. Quid pro quos are simply exchanges of one thing for another. Presidents will ask for help on one bill in exchange for another. Theyll condition one kind of aid to a country on assistance on another foreign policy goal. In itself it means nothing. The crimes are bribery and extortion, the abuses of power are using presidential power for personal gain and the central offense against the state is the attempt to sabotage a national election, the event on which the legitimacy of the entire system rests.
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We dont even need to get into the other crimes involved, having a crooked lawyer taking over US foreign policy in a critical part of the world and sidelining professional diplomats. We just focus on the core thing. The President is given tremendous power to advance the national interest, see that the laws are enforced, preserve the national welfare. These arent powers that he owns personally. They are delegated for these ends. Your banker has great power to act on your behalf. They have no right to steal your money. A doctor has vast powers to cut your body, make decisions when you are unconscious. They no right to kill you or sell your organs or fondle you for their personal satisfaction. Its all the same thing. Stop saying quid pro quo or getting lost in the details. The crimes are clear. Use language that accurately describes them.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/some-thoughts-on-describing-the-presidents-crimes
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)He used our money in his extortion scheme!
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)Marcuse
(7,443 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)I'm not clear why it took them so long to see it...?
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Girard442
(6,063 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)I'll bet there are many Americans who have sat around and asked what does ''quid pro quo'' mean? Now they can sit around and ask what does ''extortion'' mean.
bucolic_frolic
(43,036 posts)2016 was steal then reward, 2020 is reward then steal
crickets
(25,951 posts)wiggs
(7,809 posts)asked any number of countries for personal favors, using the WH office, power, and purse as leverage? How many corporations and individuals has he asked favors of? How many elected and appointed officials (Sessions, Comey, Barr that we know of) has he asked?
We know of many instances, of which Ukraine is most clear. But I wish pundits and dem leaders would also mention the possibility that Ukraine isn't Trump's only rodeo...and that he OBVIOUSLY can't be trusted to focus on the work of the US and not his own self interest. In fact, it should ALWAYS BE ASSUMED that he is acting in his own corrupt best interests first and foremost.