Do men have a problem with being short? Jeff Sessions, John Piper and Robert Jeffress

[bobbieinok]

Piper super Religious Right minister, very much believes women to be subordinate to men. He's ev et n written men should not ask women for directions!!

And then there's Napoleon

[wryter2000]

1. And Putin n/t

n/t

[TheBlackAdder]

15. And Tom Cruise, the defacto Scientology 'cult' leader.

[empedocles]

35. . . . and many Hollywood males made to look taller. Pacino may be 5'5''.

Clooney and Pitt may make 5'9.

[bobbieinok]

47. Was shocked to learn as a kid Alan Ladd was raised to act with many women

Had real crush on him

[kstewart33]

69. Gym Jordan, for sure.

His short man complex is out of control. The guy tries to compensate by not wearing a suit jacket in the Capitol Building so the results of his daily workouts are on constant display.

[johnp3907]

2. Napoleon wasn't short.

[Victor_c3]

4. +1 n/t

[Clash City Rocker]

28. A quick explanation of the confusion over his height can be found here

https://history.howstuffworks.com/history-vs-myth/napoleon-short.htm

[LAS14]

43. I figure 5.6" counts as short for a man in a lot of minds. nt

[Spider Jerusalem]

50. It was about average for late 18th century France

Americans at the time were taller than Europeans thanks to better early-childhood nutrition--at the time of the Revolution the average American man was 5'8", about two or three inches taller than the average European; that declined to an average height for American men born in 1850 of 5'7", due to the effects of both urbanisation and mass immigration from Europe in the mid-19th century).

[Clash City Rocker]

64. Suits of armor from that time pretty much back you up on that

[bobbieinok]

70. Nutrition and height---in 60s in SF surprised to see very tall Chinese young men

Had fixed idea Chinese were simply supposed to be short.

Then in burst of insight clearly saw first time importance of good food for children's growth and health

Have never been able to forget!!

[hlthe2b]

7. Five foot 7 inches is not short to me, a very short woman, but a lot of society does consider it so

for men. Just ask 5 foot-seven Tom Cruise.

[NewJeffCT]

9. 200 years ago

5'7" was probably closer to average

[johnp3907]

13. That's right.

[Aristus]

22. About an inch or two above, I think.

Average height for English & French men in the 18th Century was around 5'5".

The English calculated height slightly differently than the French, so the Napoleon's French height of 5'7" translated to 5'4" or so in the English method.

[NRaleighLiberal]

3. no idea, but I kinda like being tall!

[safeinOhio]

11. Me too, but

It does not matter how tall you are, everyone is a little short the day before payday.

[NRaleighLiberal]

16. yay!

[shanti]

65. Clothes are a lot more $$$ though!

My bfs/hubs over the years have ranged from 5'5" to 6'5" (I'm 5 foot 8 inches). The taller ones seem to be more self confident. I had a guy once tell me he wasn't interested because I was taller than him. Oh well. And there are lots of tall men who prefer very short women.

[hlthe2b]

5. As a short woman, I really dislike the societal judgement on short men.

That said, it exists and as a result, many short men (even the most admirable men) do manifest the stereotypical "short man's syndrome" to some extent. Perhaps that actually drives their success, though.

Short, for men, is relative though. A 5 foot 7-inch man is not short to me as a short woman but is considered so by many men. Just ask Tom Cruise.

[unblock]

29. yeah, it's one of the more "invisible" forms of discrimination

people rarely think about it, and if it does come up, they often think it's perfectly normal or reasonable. especially in romantic situation. i've known plenty of people who believe in diversity and would never rule out dating anyone on the basis of something like race or religion, but would absolutely refuse to date anyone outside their desired height parameters (usually men refusing to date a taller woman, or a woman refusing to date a shorter man).

statistics show that taller people get paid more, get promoted faster, get put in leadership roles more readily, etc.

on the other hand, average to slightly below average height people tend to live longer, so we've got that on our side

[bobbieinok]

48. Knew girl in college who wouldn't date great guy cuz he was shorter than she

Friend and I thought she was nuts. We each were taller than he and would have dated him in a flash. He never looked at either of us

[raccoon]

56. As a short woman, I resent the implication in our society that "taller" is automatically better.

Not as badfor women as men but it's still there.

[C_U_L8R]

8. Tod Spengo

[Zambero]

10. And Jim Jordan topping off at 5' 4"?

Coupled with that no-coat right-wing loudmouth routine.

[TheBlackAdder]

17. That explains why he's got that Napoleon Complex, like Robery Conrad.

.



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[Marcuse]

12. Trump Stands in a Weird Way Because He Wears Shoe Lifts to Be Taller

[link:https://www.politicalflare.com/2019/04/trump-stands-in-a-weird-way-and-an-expert-suggests-its-because-he-wears-shoe-lifts-to-be-taller/|

The idea that height defines a man’s value is a painful and stupid part of a very backward notion of masculinity. It is, however, the exact notion of masculinity that Donald Trump buys into and performs. Which is why I believe he’s been lying about his height since he was young. That may seem unlikely, but in fact, it’s not only plausible, it’s the only way of explaining the known facts.

[Sugar Smack]

20. Extra height, which is cancelled out by

trump's slouch, ape-like arm positions, and hands as immobile as canned hams. And that head, that ugly head, don't get me started..

[dalton99a]

14. Rand Paul before he started wearing elevator shoes:

[KY_EnviroGuy]

18. Nope, we're normal. The others are overgrown.

We're also glad not to bump our heads as much...........

[tblue37]

19. Pete Buttigieg manages to be short without feeling the need to make up for it by being a jerk. nt

[bobbieinok]

49. Read podiums for men in political debates set so all seem same height

Supposedly they had to be adjusted in Gore Bush debates. Bush noticeably shorter??

[Bayard]

21. I think hundreds of years ago.....

5'7" was pretty average. Men 6"+ were considered giants.

Also hundreds of years ago, when I was still dating, I dated plenty of shorter guys. They always added a couple inches to their actual height. I think its a direct correlation to macho self-esteem. Of course, my ex is 6'4", and it didn't help him much.

[Aristus]

23. I'm 5'9", brown hair, brown eyes.

I am relentlessly average...

[ismnotwasm]

24. Since short men tend to be judged on appearance

I imagine some of them do.

Fucked up evil politicians come in all sizes and shapes though

[unblock]

32. i don't mind *being* short. i mind how people discriminate on the basis of height.

[ismnotwasm]

59. +1

[tazkcmo]

25. I like being short.

I'm closer to the money that tall people drop.

[dewsgirl]

26. Putin is like 5'5 and the most powerful man in the world right

now.

[smirkymonkey]

55. Is he really only that tall?

I do not have a problem with men's height, but I do feel like many short men feel like they have to overcompensate by being hyper-aggressive assholes. Then there are other tall men like Trump with tiny little peens who also have to overcompensate. It's always one thing or another with them. Their height or their dick.

Notice how Obama was always a man of dignity, grace and respectability. No insecurity there.

[Anon-C]

27. Nope.

[Beringia]

30. My brother-in-law got up in a huff

when we were watching a football game and I made an observation that one of the players was short. He was fairly short. That's my anecdotal evidence.

[Buns_of_Fire]

46. Have him look up Eddie LeBaron.

LeBaron was selected by the Washington Redskins in the tenth round (123rd overall) of the 1950 NFL draft, but had to leave training camp to perform military service during the Korean War. At 5 ft 7 in (1.70 m), he was one of the shortest quarterbacks in the history of the NFL.

He returned to the NFL in 1952 after a two-year commitment to the United States Marine Corps as a lieutenant, when he was discharged after being wounded in combat. He replaced future hall of famer Sammy Baugh in the starting lineup after the fourth game and received All-Rookie honors at the end of the season.[7] The next year, he was limited with a knee injury and also shared the starting position with Jack Scarbath.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_LeBaron

[redstatebluegirl]

31. My husband is pretty tall he has never made any cracks about short men.

He teases me from time to time about not being able to get things off the top shelf, but that is normal.

[TruckFump]

33. I am female and 5'10" inches tall...

...used to be almost 5'11". Have shrunk in my old age...70+ years now.

When I was 12 years old I was 5'8" tall...this was back in 1960 in a small town in the mid-West. Do short men have problems with me being so tall? Depends.

Those who have convinced themselves that at my same height, but clearly not 6' tall, that they are in fact a six-footer, most have had a ton of problems with me. Those men who will admit to being 5'10" to 5'113/4" -- no problem with being about the same height as me.

Also those men a ton shorter than me? Most could not give a shit that I towered over them and did not care if I wore heels.

[empedocles]

36. I'm down to 5'11, and now its no longer rare to see young women clearly taller

than I.

Football and basketball listed heights tend to be comically overstated.

[TruckFump]

37. My late husband was a clear 6'3"...

...pushing nearly 6'4" and he never even added a half-inch to his height of 6'3". Same to my current gentleman friend...clearly well over 6'3" tall and in his mid-70s.

I also have a late gentleman friend who passed away in the mid 2000s...he gave his height as 5'11-1/2". Had no problem with me being way taller in heels.

IMO, I think it's a point of being secure about who you are inside and not what your outsides are about.

[empedocles]

40. Maybe as you matured, you had less problem with shorter guys? [ONLY JOKIING, HONEST].

[I did acknowledge my self-deprecating 5'11 below].

[TruckFump]

45. IMO...it's more like...

...when THEY matured, the problems seemed to lessen!

[empedocles]

61. Good answer

[MuseRider]

34. I have never understood this.

There are a lot of short men who have done wonderful things. It is sad and as a woman being judged on almost everything I understand.

Maybe it is because I am short that I never even thought about it being a problem until I got older.

I have a son who is around 5'7" and the younger is something over 6'. It was never a problem.

"Short people got no reason to live" Randy Newman

[empedocles]

38. My litiigator uncle took pride in beating '6 footers' in court. It seemed to me

in law school, some of the shorter guys seemed to compensate by being litigator types. In that law school class, was a slender 5'7 aggressive type, whose cousin was a 6'3 250lb Steeler linebacker.

[I'm down to 5'11 and don't like the annual physical height and weight thingy].

[Caliman73]

39. Some do. Socially there is an idea that the size of a man is important

There are height limits for men in the military, fire fighting, and police forces. People who are shorter than average are often seen as lesser.

I don't think that being short means that you are more likely to be sexist or misogynistic, but there may be a level of self consciousness that increases the intensity of such already present attitudes.

[cwydro]

41. Plenty of people here seem to have a problem with short statured men.

I remember posters raving about how wonderfully tall Beto was, and they couldn’t wait to see him “dwarf” everyone at the debates. More than a few crowed about that.

Then I’ve seen several others say Buttigieg can’t win because he’s “too short.” Smh

[LuvNewcastle]

52. I don't think Buttigieg thinks about his height much.

He seems very comfortable in his skin. I'm 5'8" and I never think about height unless someone brings it up. It's barely worth mentioning unless someone's height is extremely one way or the other. But I've known people who were obsessed with their height, and most of them have been rather tall.

[AkFemDem]

54. It's offensive and shallow

Fat shaming is another popular refrain here. Ironically the losers on That Other Page also seem to enjoy making fun of men’s height, people’s weight, women’s faces, etc.

Shallow little humans... and I don’t mean height wise.

[cwydro]

66. Yep.

Unfortunately, they are here too.

[Celerity]

42. he does

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

57. Wow.

What's actually sad is that he hasn't a clue that pretty much no one gives a flying fuck that he's short until he starts screaming about it. Most people cause all of their own problems.

[tenderfoot]

44. Mike Dukakis is short and got a lot of heat for it back in 1988

eom

[Midnight Writer]

51. Blame Randy Newman.

[AkFemDem]

53. WTF???? What about tall men... Trump is how tall?

This is ridiculous, of everything you could pick out about these people you’re fixated on height?

What next? Are we going to accused women with small boobs of having a personal axe to grind to explain any of their character flaws??

[LuckyCharms]

58. Hey pal, I'm short WHERE IT COUNTS...

er...

wait...

that came out wrong...

er...

nevermind

[Mopar151]

60. Short cop syndrome

I have been as tall as 6'7", as big as 315#. I am from a family (both sides)of large men. We tend to think that SHORT is a self image issue that there is a Mental Height, as IQ was once called Mental Age.
It's more likely that large people who are "mentally short" end up on the margins,, or are beaten into growing up.

[DavidDvorkin]

62. No, it's mainly other people who have a problem with men being short.

[CloudWatcher]

63. Tall men get an undeserved edge.

I'm no psychologist, but my amateur observations would be that tall men get a certain amount of gravitas from their size. I'd guess it's instinctual, like our tendency to tribalism.

In our semi-intellectual society, it has no place nor meaning, but it's still there. Humans are quite distant from being logical creatures

[cwydro]

67. Lmao. Men have problems with size. Period.

The most insecure gender on the planet.

I just can’t even.

[riversedge]

68. Trump's Height Bias

I saw the OP, then remembered this article............


Trump’s Height Bias


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/22/opinion/trump-height-bias.html
Oct. 22, 2017

Senator Bob Corker, Republican of Tennessee, has clashed with President Trump since announcing he won’t be seeking re-election in 2018.Credit...Tom Brenner/The New York Times

To the Editor:

“Caught in Bright Lights of a Reality Show That Never Ends” (White House Memo, Oct. 11) demonstrates that President Trump may have a bias against those of short stature.

Mr. Trump repeatedly insults opponents because of their height (“Liddle Corker,” “Little Rocket Man,” “Little Marco”) and overlooked Senator Bob Corker for secretary of state reportedly because he was too short, at 5-foot-7, to be the country’s top diplomat.

In an era when other forms of discrimination have a national stage, this pervasive form of discrimination is overlooked and, as shown by the president, openly practiced. It is surprising that there is not a national discussion about height discrimination.

Even though height is an uncontrollable characteristic, height discrimination goes largely unaddressed under the law. Historically, tall people have been perceived more favorably and treated better than their shorter counterparts.


Further, studies show that height has a significant effect on a person’s salary and financial outlook.

Mr. Trump is not unique in his mistreatment of short people. Our society licenses such behavior by allowing it. Let the conversation begin!..............