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sheshe2

(97,868 posts)
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 06:10 PM Nov 2019

Trump goes full-on NAZI w/Nationalism support

Trump tweeted his support for Nationalism here, just about an hour ago.

This isn’t Godwin or even Godwin-esque. This is blatantly flipping to bird to the nation and everyone who has fought against NAZIs and Nationalism.

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He’s not even pretending to want to hide it anymore. He’s gotta go. All of them have gotta go. And they must all face the consequences of their actions.

There *must* be consequences. Convictions, imprisonments, full exposure.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/11/9/1898282/-Trump-goes-full-on-NAZI-w-Nationalism-support?utm_campaign=trending

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And this, on Veterans Day Weekend.
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Trump goes full-on NAZI w/Nationalism support (Original Post) sheshe2 Nov 2019 OP
k riversedge Nov 2019 #1
Did you see this? From this week. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author backtoblue Nov 2019 #4
Everyone who hasnt seen this should watch backtoblue Nov 2019 #8
I saw your coke tweet. LOL😆 dewsgirl Nov 2019 #9
LOL backtoblue Nov 2019 #10
Sounds great. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #12
Yes, dewsgirl. sheshe2 Nov 2019 #13
It's scary, he is taking it to a new level. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #15
Hate is all he has left. sheshe2 Nov 2019 #18
Putin is gonna shut down our internet and power grid on election day and rump will say that Eliot Rosewater Nov 2019 #28
Sorry, Eliot. sheshe2 Nov 2019 #35
My reason for saying these things is so we will at least CONSIDER that they could Eliot Rosewater Nov 2019 #38
It is without sarcasm that I say... Anon-C Nov 2019 #55
Yes, for instance if we went back 4 years and said our president in 4 yrs Eliot Rosewater Nov 2019 #59
+1 this is what scares me, too. LiberalLoner Nov 2019 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author backtoblue Nov 2019 #3
You might as well slap our veterans in the face directly and get it over with. Initech Nov 2019 #5
Right? He's a disgrace! And so are his deplorables, even more so. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2019 #34
Sieg Heil, y'all BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #6
Who here remembers the flak Eisenhower caught for saying rzemanfl Nov 2019 #7
Yikes. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #16
my father fought in WWII nd Korea, My uncle fought in WWII demigoddess Nov 2019 #22
Same here True Blue American Nov 2019 #23
My parents were in hiding during WWII and escaped moonscape Nov 2019 #36
Tweeted on the same day moondust Nov 2019 #11
Harper Collins is owned by Rupert Murdoch Kid Berwyn Nov 2019 #14
Rich Lowry is a pathetic hack. Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2019 #52
To flack for Pete Wilson, ugh. Kid Berwyn Nov 2019 #58
I was living in CA at the time Squeaky Pete was in office. Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2019 #60
Trump could just as easily have used the word "Patriotism," but he had to go for the dog whistle sop Nov 2019 #17
+1 crickets Nov 2019 #19
+1 ancianita Nov 2019 #21
The recent post, politics is morality, comes to mind. GOP needs to fess up to their politics Karadeniz Nov 2019 #20
Rich Lowry. Only the best people. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2019 #24
Trump is getting desperate. Aussie105 Nov 2019 #25
He's touting a racist book. Excerpt from review in Foreign Affairs Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #26
thanks. That's well worth the read. Kurt V. Nov 2019 #29
Morning Joe was pimping his book with an interview segment the other day. bullwinkle428 Nov 2019 #57
I agree. We need consequences. warmfeet Nov 2019 #27
Don't forget... Newest Reality Nov 2019 #30
Trump's fellow 'nationalist' speaks out about Ivanka. keithbvadu2 Nov 2019 #31
They're both creepy as hell and they deserve each other. LuvNewcastle Nov 2019 #37
White supremacists don't know what to make of Jared Kushner keithbvadu2 Nov 2019 #40
Interesting article. LuvNewcastle Nov 2019 #43
That disgusting piece of shit. ismnotwasm Nov 2019 #32
I understand there's a different book coming out in Germany Grokenstein Nov 2019 #33
So Dinesh D'Souza's "The Big Lie: Exposing the NAZI Roots of the American Left" is a BIGGER LIE? VOX Nov 2019 #39
unquestioning loyalty keithbvadu2 Nov 2019 #41
The parallels to 1930s Germany are sobering. VOX Nov 2019 #54
On Veterans Day weekend mcar Nov 2019 #42
Yes. sheshe2 Nov 2019 #44
I have no doubt that many would literally drink the Kool Aid mcar Nov 2019 #45
Bon Chance. sheshe2 Nov 2019 #48
On the 81st anniversary of Kristallnacht! Behind the Aegis Nov 2019 #46
The night of broken glass. sheshe2 Nov 2019 #47
Stephen Nazi Miller is always whispering in traitor Trump's ear Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #50
Yep. sheshe2 Nov 2019 #51
Can you imagine the self-loathing Stephen Miller has for himself ? Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2019 #53
"And when I say I'm a nationalist, I of course mean I'm selling my country to Russia!" struggle4progress Nov 2019 #56

Response to dewsgirl (Reply #2)

backtoblue

(13,210 posts)
8. Everyone who hasnt seen this should watch
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 06:25 PM
Nov 2019

Hes inciting violence. Not even trying to hide it

Eliot Rosewater

(34,286 posts)
28. Putin is gonna shut down our internet and power grid on election day and rump will say that
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 07:45 PM
Nov 2019

we cant count the votes so he will stay in power indefinitely.

His followers will shoot anyone who tries to oppose the fascist takeover, what I dont know is what our military will do.

Understand he is NOT going away voluntarily.

sheshe2

(97,868 posts)
35. Sorry, Eliot.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 08:22 PM
Nov 2019

I refuse to live in fear and without hope. If I did I would curl into a tight ball and die.

Eliot Rosewater

(34,286 posts)
38. My reason for saying these things is so we will at least CONSIDER that they could
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 08:33 PM
Nov 2019

happen so we can be PREPARED.

Not to live in fear, but to warn people that our usual ways of resolving things will not work with these fascists.

But I take your point...this is how I talk about everything as a way to WARN people...

Eliot Rosewater

(34,286 posts)
59. Yes, for instance if we went back 4 years and said our president in 4 yrs
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 02:13 PM
Nov 2019

would be working for Putin and torturing children, nobody would believe it.

Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Initech

(108,943 posts)
5. You might as well slap our veterans in the face directly and get it over with.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 06:20 PM
Nov 2019

This is a colossal insult to all who fought against this sort of thing.

rzemanfl

(31,411 posts)
7. Who here remembers the flak Eisenhower caught for saying
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 06:22 PM
Nov 2019

"have a Coke?" I do. My father, a World War II draftee infantry sergeant, used to say, "If someone like Hitler tried to take over here, he would find plenty of people to work for him." I now see how right he was.

demigoddess

(6,675 posts)
22. my father fought in WWII nd Korea, My uncle fought in WWII
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 07:20 PM
Nov 2019

they are rolling over in their graves today.

moonscape

(5,781 posts)
36. My parents were in hiding during WWII and escaped
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 08:23 PM
Nov 2019

Eastern Europe at the end of the war to come to the US.

I'm glad they didn't have to witness this ...

moondust

(21,306 posts)
11. Tweeted on the same day
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 06:31 PM
Nov 2019

that German President Steinmeier takes a veiled swipe at him to reject "national egoism" during the 30-year commemoration of the Berlin Wall coming down. Even Ronald Reagan would be embarrassed.

http://news.yahoo.com/angela-merkel-urges-europe-defend-165229968.html

Kid Berwyn

(24,688 posts)
14. Harper Collins is owned by Rupert Murdoch
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 06:41 PM
Nov 2019

So there’s bound to be unbiased reviews on Fox & Fiends.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
52. Rich Lowry is a pathetic hack.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 11:36 PM
Nov 2019

When we lived in CA, he was the spokesman for the governor, squeaky Pete Wilson. He was a repulsive little maggot then. I see nothing has changed.

Kid Berwyn

(24,688 posts)
58. To flack for Pete Wilson, ugh.
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:24 AM
Nov 2019

Explains why Wm. F. Buckley selected him for National Review (2nd place among intern applicant essayists). The guy Lowry is a professional disinformationist, an apologist for fascism.

Thank you, Haggis for Breakfast! I searched for a bio, but the key service to the Ronnie Raygun wannabe was omitted. California took a long time to recover from Wilson and the GOP’s damage. But it gives us hope that if the nation follows its example, we can recover from the demented dicktater currently in the Oval Office.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
60. I was living in CA at the time Squeaky Pete was in office.
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:41 PM
Nov 2019

He also PROMISED the citizens of CA that once re-elected, he would NOT drop his responsibilities and run for president. LIAR.

sop

(18,876 posts)
17. Trump could just as easily have used the word "Patriotism," but he had to go for the dog whistle
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 06:54 PM
Nov 2019

Last edited Sat Nov 9, 2019, 08:13 PM - Edit history (1)

The definition of Patriotism: "devotion to and vigorous support for one's country."

The Definition of Nationalism: "identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations"

What Trump really means is "white nationalism" since he and his followers especially support "the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other" races, religions, certain ethnic groups, etc.

Karadeniz

(24,749 posts)
20. The recent post, politics is morality, comes to mind. GOP needs to fess up to their politics
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 07:07 PM
Nov 2019

Reflecting their morals, ethics.

Aussie105

(8,020 posts)
25. Trump is getting desperate.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 07:31 PM
Nov 2019

He is appealing to the only groups that he feels will back him up. The bikers, the Nazis.
Trump thinks these are powerful groups that will back him up, whereas they are fringe groups that have little power.

Trump's biggest group of supporters in fact are the brainless sheep in the GOP, the cashed up people who benefitted from his tax cuts, the glued on voters, the people who think he will still deliver on his promises. But their enthusiasm is fading slowly.

One day, he will be without support, and face the consequences of his twisted, incompetent mind.

Which is a good thing.


Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
26. He's touting a racist book. Excerpt from review in Foreign Affairs
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 07:32 PM
Nov 2019

Last edited Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:07 AM - Edit history (1)

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/review-essay/2019-11-07/americas-original-identity-politics

The people who preceded the English settlers were either few and far between or benefitted from the arrival of these newcomers. There was “basically no one in California to have a popular will” when white pioneers arrived, Lowry writes [...]

The more “underhanded and brutish” episodes in U.S. history, such as the near eradication of Native Americans, were cosmically necessary, since they paved the way for the “stupendous boon” brought by continental expansion.


That is so stupidly ignorant of history, and in a racist way. Ethnic cleansing and genocide benefitted them? Not the world I live in.

The problem with nationalism, the British historian Eric Hobsbawm once wrote, is that it requires too much belief in what isn’t so. Lowry’s claims rest on a maddening evasiveness when it comes to definitions. At times he uses the word “nation” to refer to a social group. At other times the word stands for a sovereign country


Few of Lowry’s statements would pass muster with historians who have been to an archive or tried to write about the past in ways that admit complexity. “Ancient Egypt constituted a unified state, ruling an ethnically homogeneous people with a distinct culture, for thousands of years,” he claims. “The same was true of China, Korea, and Japan.” Sweeping assertions like these are legion, and to any serious thinker they should be an embarrassment. A society might have an identifiable high culture, or a dominant language of trade or governance, or characteristic art forms in particular historical periods. But to claim homogeneity, much less “ethnic” sameness, for millennia is thoughtless sloganeering.


Women are almost entirely absent from Lowry’s national past and present. By my count, fewer than a dozen or so women merit a mention in his book: Queen Elizabeth I and Joan of Arc are among them, along with a bevy of current-day intellectuals such as Amy Gutmann and Martha Nussbaum, who are there to be argued against. When he uses the term “we,” it almost always refers to white people of Anglo-Saxon heritage, or at least people who are not Native Americans, Latinx, or recent immigrants.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
27. I agree. We need consequences.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 07:37 PM
Nov 2019

Impeach, convict, remove, imprision.

Our form of governance will not survive anything less.

I prefer Democracy to oligarchy or dictatorship.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
30. Don't forget...
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 07:58 PM
Nov 2019

to add theocracy to that list, Christian Nationalism lurks in the shadows.

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
31. Trump's fellow 'nationalist' speaks out about Ivanka.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 08:05 PM
Nov 2019

Trump's fellow 'nationalist' speaks out about Ivanka.

Rally co-organizer says he's disgusted to see Ivanka with Jew Jared

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4795848/Rally-organizer-President-let-Jew-steal-daughter.html

'The president let a Jew steal his daughter': White nationalist Charlottesville rally co-organizer says he's disgusted to see Jared Kushner with Ivanka

LuvNewcastle

(17,858 posts)
37. They're both creepy as hell and they deserve each other.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 08:26 PM
Nov 2019

And if I'm not mistaken, she became a Jew in order to marry Jared because he's Orthodox, I think. So Trump has a Jewish daughter and she'll have Jewish grandchildren. How can they support Trump now? Isn't he tainted?

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
40. White supremacists don't know what to make of Jared Kushner
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 08:41 PM
Nov 2019

White supremacists don’t know what to make of Jared Kushner

https://www.timesofisrael.com/white-supremacists-dont-know-what-to-make-of-jared-kushner/

.
Jared is tolerated/loved as long as he is useful.
When his usefulness expires, it will become: 'Blame the Jew'.

(and that will be from our own right wingers, not so much from the rest of the world)

Trump had to tell Breitbart to knock off the propaganda against Jewish Jared.

LuvNewcastle

(17,858 posts)
43. Interesting article.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 09:13 PM
Nov 2019

Trump's goal is to divide the country. If he can do it by supporting Nazis, that's just what he'll do. Then he'll go kiss Netanyahu's ass. He's so transparent, but his supporters refuse to see anything about him that doesn't fit their narrative. It's like we have 30-40% of Americans in a mass psychosis. I never would have thought it would be so easy to enthrall so many people at once, but I can't ignore the evidence. And he's not even a good speaker; he makes no sense when he talks unless he's lying. These are ludicrous and farcical times.

ismnotwasm

(42,674 posts)
32. That disgusting piece of shit.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 08:13 PM
Nov 2019

And his defenders, especially his defenders, will rot in their well deserved place in history as how not to be decent people. All of them, in their millions.

Grokenstein

(6,371 posts)
33. I understand there's a different book coming out in Germany
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 08:18 PM
Nov 2019

"The Case Against Nationalism: How It Turned The World Against Us And Got Us Fucking Annihilated."

VOX

(22,976 posts)
39. So Dinesh D'Souza's "The Big Lie: Exposing the NAZI Roots of the American Left" is a BIGGER LIE?
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 08:40 PM
Nov 2019

Just when MAGAts “think” they know which direction to run, 45 gives them a conflicting message.

More from the right-wing projection department:
-Liberals were brutal slave owners, Nazis, and now favor Sharia law, gun-grabbing, sodomy and “Happy Holidays.”

-Meanwhile, right-wing white Christianists are fighting ”evil” on all sides: immigrants, POC, LBGTQ. Democrats who are socialists, Marxists, statists, communists, America-hating, baby-killing, satanic heathens. All you need to be a MAGAt is a complete, unquestioning loyalty to the Fuhrer Trump, nationalism ”uber alles,” and a realization that being a warrior for Christ means victory by any means necessary. NOW, who’s the Nazi again?

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
41. unquestioning loyalty
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 08:45 PM
Nov 2019

Oath of Allegiance - Pre and post 1934
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-fuehrer-oath

(before August 2, 1934)
"I swear by almighty God this sacred oath:
I will at all times loyally and honestly
serve my people and country
and, as a brave soldier,
I will be ready at any time
to stake my life for this oath."

The Fuehrer Oath
(effective August 2, 1934)
"I swear by almighty God this sacred oath:
I will render unconditional obedience
to the Fuehrer of the German Reich and people, Adolf Hitler,
Supreme Commander of the Wehrmacht,
and, as a brave soldier,
I will be ready at any time
to stake my life for this oath."

VOX

(22,976 posts)
54. The parallels to 1930s Germany are sobering.
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:12 AM
Nov 2019

The cult behavior, the nationalism, elevating one man over party, and elevating party over country (with the assist of a 24/7 state propaganda outlet), the continuous stoking of hatred for “the other,” the increasing violence against non-Christians and POC, the subjugation of women and reproductive rights...

Will Americans save themselves from themselves? Are they up to it?

sheshe2

(97,868 posts)
44. Yes.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 09:15 PM
Nov 2019

What better way to honor the vets... by honoring the Nazi/Nationalists. The vets fought against the very ones tRump praises as our future.

Dons supporters are not just a cult. They are certifiable.

sheshe2

(97,868 posts)
47. The night of broken glass.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 09:53 PM
Nov 2019

81 years ago today.

In 48 hours, 267 synagogues were destroyed and over 7,000 Jewish shops were damaged. 91 Jews died and 30,000 Jewish men were detained and later deported to concentration camps.


I wonder who in his admin suggested his praise of a Nazi book today of all days.

I am sorry, BtA.
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