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prescient, wise words of Adam Gopnick, the New Yorker May 20, 2016 (Original Post) Grasswire2 Nov 2019 OP
K&R Thanks for posting. alwaysinasnit Nov 2019 #1
Drinks + etc necessary. elleng Nov 2019 #2
this got me: Grasswire2 Nov 2019 #3
Ditto. elleng Nov 2019 #6
me too Grasswire2 Nov 2019 #8
OY! elleng Nov 2019 #9
My son is a prosecutor with the Brooklyn DA's office and I feel as you do... CTyankee Nov 2019 #10
Same. NCLefty Nov 2019 #11
Yep, turns out the Constitution doesn't provide a way to oust... brush Nov 2019 #15
Not sure the founders could have foreseen this. triron Nov 2019 #19
"learning that its institutions are that fragile and their ability to resist a dictator that weak." Garrett78 Nov 2019 #4
A sad K&R Stargazer09 Nov 2019 #5
very sobering Grasswire2 Nov 2019 #7
The institutions are holding...just. However, another Trump win and OnDoutside Nov 2019 #12
I think the American experiment started dying around the Civil Rights Movement dustyscamp Nov 2019 #13
I think it started when JFK was assassinated mnhtnbb Nov 2019 #17
I agree. Even if Trump is removed or voted out... Kablooie Nov 2019 #14
As much as I appreciate the message, never surrender hope. Never. K&R crickets Nov 2019 #16
You can't put the genie back in the bottle. mnhtnbb Nov 2019 #18
I'm glad he mentioned Germany because that does give me hope we can recover renate Nov 2019 #20
the comments on twitter are well worth reading Grasswire2 Nov 2019 #21

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
8. me too
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 02:50 AM
Nov 2019

A forty-something family member of mine told me yesterday that he is thinking of buying a hand gun for protection of his family and home. He thinks things will get very bad before this is over.

elleng

(130,845 posts)
9. OY!
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 02:54 AM
Nov 2019

My son in law is a deputy sheriff, in whom I have confidence. Hope that's sufficient. That covers just 2 of 4 grandkids.

CTyankee

(63,900 posts)
10. My son is a prosecutor with the Brooklyn DA's office and I feel as you do...
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 03:27 AM
Nov 2019

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that the good and decent among us will be our bulwarks for the future. So I like to think that the good guys will win in the end. But I am fearful and an ill wind blows...

brush

(53,761 posts)
15. Yep, turns out the Constitution doesn't provide a way to oust...
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:01 AM
Nov 2019

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an unfit, rogue president when it's glaringly necessary.

The checks and balances are not really there if the rogue's party is in power in all branches of government as the repugs were before 2018, or only partially in power after we took the House in the Blue Wave of 2018 because the rogue's stonewalling and refusal to allow testimony will be upheld by a complicit Senate.

The 25th Amendment is not sufficient and impeachment is too slow in an emergency. There needs to be a speedier, more direct way to deal with trump. No telling what he's agreed to already or will in the near future. We've already seen him abandon the Kurds overnight and fork over their tenuous hold on territory to Putin, Assad and Erdowan. What else has he done and will do?

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
4. "learning that its institutions are that fragile and their ability to resist a dictator that weak."
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 02:40 AM
Nov 2019

Yep.

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
5. A sad K&R
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 02:41 AM
Nov 2019

I appreciate you posting this.

I’m sad to read the words and realize how painfully true they are.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
7. very sobering
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 02:47 AM
Nov 2019

I think about all the personal relationships that have been damaged. And the unavoidable conclusions we must see when we look at the Trump "base" in all its glory. There can be no repair, can there? No enlightenment. They will hate us even more when Trump comes to his end.

OnDoutside

(19,951 posts)
12. The institutions are holding...just. However, another Trump win and
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 04:01 AM
Nov 2019

I don't think they could hold out any longer.

dustyscamp

(2,223 posts)
13. I think the American experiment started dying around the Civil Rights Movement
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 04:12 AM
Nov 2019

The Racists and Religious from that time never really let go of their hatred for liberal ideas and those standing up to them so they did everything they could to halt progress. They raised bitter children and elected progressively corrupt politicians to enforce their beliefs. All this hatred they produced over the years has been slowly poisoning and killing the Country. America right now is pretty much dead or close to it. I don't think Trump really needs to do much more.

mnhtnbb

(31,381 posts)
17. I think it started when JFK was assassinated
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:10 AM
Nov 2019

and, of course, that was only a year before the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Kablooie

(18,623 posts)
14. I agree. Even if Trump is removed or voted out...
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 04:38 AM
Nov 2019

We will all know that everything weve trusted for centuries about America could be destroyed in a few years and the residue of maga trumpeenies will remain as well as Fox News and they will both continue to work tirelessly to destroy America.

mnhtnbb

(31,381 posts)
18. You can't put the genie back in the bottle.
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:22 AM
Nov 2019

We can't undo the hatred and fear of "the other"--whether immigrants, people of color, powerful women, or equality for LGBTQ-- that has been spread all over the country. White male supremacists are not going to give up their control of the culture without a fight. They were fine with the words of "All men are created equal" when they defined men as white and excluded women from the equation. Now that our culture has moved to include all people in those rights--regardless of sex or skin color--they aren't so sure they like what that means. And they are willing to give up on the ideals espoused in our founding documents in order to ensure their control over the culture.

It's sick. It's sad. It makes me glad I have no grandchildren. If I were 10 years younger I'd be looking seriously at moving to another country because I fear that many of the more than 300 million guns in this country are going to be used by angry mobs of white male supremacists. I really do fear there will be serious violence. These are not nice people that have supported Trump.

renate

(13,776 posts)
20. I'm glad he mentioned Germany because that does give me hope we can recover
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 02:44 PM
Nov 2019

Admittedly, the other examples he gave take a little of that hope away....

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