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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe end of Florida orange juice? A lethal disease is devastating the state's citrus industry.
Ninety percent of the states groves are infected by a bacterium called huang long bing, which, like oranges, originated in China. The pathogen often prevents raw green fruit from ripening, a symptom called citrus greening. Even when the fruit does ripen, it sometimes drops to the ground before it can be picked. Under Florida law, citrus that falls from a tree untouched cannot be sold.
As the state prepares for the November to May harvest, thousands of growers have already quit, leaving ghost groves in their wake. More than 7,000 farmers grew citrus in 2004; since then, nearly 5,000 have dropped out.
About two-thirds of the factories that processed fruit to juice have shut down. The number of packing operations which make oranges, tangerines and grapefruit look polished for picky buyers has nosedived from nearly 80 to 26. And 34,000 jobs were eliminated in the 10 years up to 2016, according to a University of Florida study.
The loss of so many farmers and citrus cultivation could be the death the states second-largest industry behind tourism, and one that produces more than 80 percent of the countrys orange juice, some economists say.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2019/11/09/end-florida-orange-juice-lethal-disease-is-decimating-its-citrus-industry/
RainCaster
(10,842 posts)I had no idea the citrus industry was doing so poorly.
MineralMan
(146,262 posts)there, too, although it has not advanced to the same degree as in Florida. Orange growers everywhere are very, very worried about this, and rightly so.
dameatball
(7,394 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)And how many jobs did Disney create?
dameatball
(7,394 posts)that followed. Land was worth more for developing than growing citrus. Freezes in the 80's did a lot of damage too. After Disney, every type of "World:" you can imagine followed along. So did the thousands upon thousands of lousy paying service jobs. Everyone needed housing.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)dameatball
(7,394 posts)NCLefty
(3,678 posts)Ooo kids look, it's "Circus World!"
Thing was probably staffed by pedos. :p
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)groves. Now that stretch is almost all retirement communities, including the massive Villages retirement community. The point that the poster made is valid for groves that were near major or decently large secondary roads. Even secondary roads from my youth have become major highways to support all the housing development. Florida is more than Disney, in fact a few of the old time tourist traps have closed down. Florida has a massive medical services infrastructure (Doctors, Nurses, hospitals, labs, ambulance companies), massive! The people that work in that industry are fairly well paid when compared to less skilled Floridians, they have purchased millions of homes, often in new developments that used to be orange groves.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I keep hearing news like this, that our food sources are in peril and there is little that can be done about it unless environmental issues are addressed seriously. However as long as republicans are in power this is an issue that will never be on the front burner, if it is even addressed at all.
Igel
(35,274 posts)Until a strain that's immune to the virus is found, the number of groves will just continue to decrease.
It's like the demise of the Cavendish banana, going the same way as the Gros Michel. There are bananas that are immune to the new fungus, but they're not as popular or standardized. (I like some of them, but they're not always perfectly that unctuous "banana flavor" that people seem to prefer.)
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)and our food sources out of unmitigated greed. Nothing will stop them before it's all too late.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)When I was a youth I played around in orange groves. They had a lot of weeds and plant growth other than the trees in them. That growth was normally ploughed under before the harvest started. Groves that I have seen recently are perfect rows of trees with nothing else there. Maybe the chemicals in some of the weeds protected the orange trees against blight, that is not unheard of with some plant types (the beneficial relationship between tomatoes and basil for example).
CaptainTruth
(6,576 posts)Will the farmers understand that? Not unless Democrats explain it to them. Hence the importance of effective messaging.
Vinca
(50,237 posts)99 cents apiece for these things and when you cut into them they're tasteless, fibrous bits of horror. I've finally given up on them in favor of clementines.
Groves are constantly scouting for citrus greening. There are quarantines etc. Can't move citrus trees into and out of certain counties in Texas. I'm sure Florida is much stricter.
I don't know what's going on with the oranges in your store......Did you know that an orange is not a natural occurring fruit? It's a hybird between a mandarin and a pomelo (a large grapefruit type fruit).
Pomelo:
Mandarins will always have thinner skin than oranges, simply because of the pomelo parentage in sweet oranges.
Clementines are a mandarin.
coeur_de_lion
(3,676 posts)The area where I live was (seemed to me) about half citrus groves and half cattle ranches.
I made the mistake of calling the groves orchards and I was scolded severely.
Now both the groves and the ranches are disappearing in favor of housing developments. Dozens of them.
One die hard citrus farmer around the corner from me keeps re-planting every time a disease takes out his groves. He sold most of his land to a housing development and (I suppose) used the money to re-plant and keep his remaining trees alive.
The scent of orange blossoms in March is so heavenly I can't even describe it. We make a point of walking the dog past his house so we can take in the beautiful perfume. It used to be that the whole town had the scent of orange blossoms but most of the groves are gone now.
I feel sad that Florida is changing like this.
I know most people think that Florida is beaches and knuckle dragging MAGA supporters. It's true that many in my town are republicans. But it is so beautiful where I live. I tried living nearer the beach for 6-7 years and missed my little rural town.
Florida is more than hanging chads and thieving republican politicians. I wish people from other states wouldn't assume all of us are MAGA supporters. Our elections have been stolen many times over now.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)hatrack
(59,578 posts)No, I am not making this up.
Four years ago, as the state labored to eradicate citrus canker by destroying trees, officials rejected other disease-fighting techniques, saying unproven methods would waste precious time and resources. But for more than six months, the state, at the behest of then-Secretary of State Katherine Harris, did pursue one alternative method -- a very alternative method.
Researchers worked with a rabbi and a cardiologist to test "Celestial Drops," promoted as a canker inhibitor because of its "improved fractal design," "infinite levels of order" and "high energy and low entropy." But the cure proved useless against canker. That's because it was water -- possibly, mystically blessed water. The "product is a hoax and not based on any credible known science," the state's chief of entomology, nematology and plant pathology wrote to agriculture officials and fellow scientists after testing Celestial Drops in October 2001.
In the same letter, Wayne Dixon recommended that the state break off its relationship with the promoters of Celestial Drops. "We have expended considerable effort in trying to responsibly deal with this group and their products," he stated. "I wish to maintain our standing in the scientific community and not allow these individuals to use our hard-earned credibility for further name-dropping." Dixon's sentiments were not a surprise to other scientists.
"The presentation of Celestial Drops as a citrus canker treatment was . . . largely unintelligible," according to a memo written more than a year earlier by one of the state's chief plant pathologists. "In general, the proposal comes across as unscientific and not worth pursuing." So why did Florida spend months discussing and developing test protocols for Celestial Drops? The initial push came from Harris, now a U.S. House representative and candidate for U.S. Senate. Harris, the granddaughter of legendary citrus baron Ben Hill Griffin Jr., said she was introduced to one of the product's promoters, New York Rabbi Abe Hardoon, in 2000.
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https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-2005-07-05-canker05-story.html
Sogo
(4,986 posts)....went around a few years ago....yet there didn't seem to be any scarcity or lack in quality.....
Does this story get floated so they can up the prices?
I'm suspicious....
Recursion
(56,582 posts)dameatball
(7,394 posts)csziggy
(34,131 posts)My family owned groves since the 1920s when Grandfather bought land during the Florida land bust and my Dad and his brother helped plant the first citrus trees on them about 1928.
We just sold the last of our groves this year. Although our trees and the surrounding groves have not shown any symptoms of greening, they have had severe losses from the increasing freezes - one grove was decimated by the 1989 freeze and the trees we planted to replace them were not mature by the next bad freeze. Then a lot were damaged by the hurricanes of 2004.
Our grove managers recommended taking out the orange trees and planting other crops, such as blueberries, but since my Dad died in 2013, none of us kids were interested in keeping the groves. One went to the grove manager, the other to a family that wants to keep them in citrus.
I wish them all the best, but I don't even like oranges or orange juice, so I am happy to be done with the business.
elleng
(130,740 posts)Looking forward to Honeybells and CaraCara this/next year.
Farmer-Rick
(10,140 posts)I use to have a garden as a kid. Grew most anything I wanted without too much insect or fungal problems. Today if I don't plan for how to fight fungal disease and insects, I will have nothing when harvest time comes.
Marmorated stink bugs, Colorado and blister beetles, weird out of control weeds and milky spore fungus. I never knew any of these things as a kid but I harvested most everything I planted. Not anymore.
gibraltar72
(7,499 posts)tirebiter
(2,533 posts)Theyll be dropping dead when they have to eat noncalfornia oranges at the Arizona border.